congaron
912 posts
May 13, 2010
9:04 PM
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To those who have been civil and helpful, thank you.
I am leaving the forum. I will try to contact Adam, but if I don't do it right, Please take me off immediately.
Just too much outright attack on what i believe as core truth going on unchecked.
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DutchBones
364 posts
May 13, 2010
9:56 PM
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Hate to see you go congaron..
To me music is kind of like food.... you make it , or you enjoy it... but you don't talk about it endlessly... unless of course, when you're exchanging recipes... take care..
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gene
467 posts
May 13, 2010
10:03 PM
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You're leaving for good because of a little spat?!
Ah, just cool off.
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Nastyolddog
711 posts
May 13, 2010
10:04 PM
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Yo Bro i don't like to see Bro's leave,
Just too much outright attack on what i believe as core truth going on unchecked.
But check this out your ethics have been compromised
ok walk out the door,
but this won't be the only door you walk out in your life if you are to be true to this statement above?
Walk out the door do nothing about it thats the way Bro real man shit going on there,
fuck i would like you standing by my side in a fight,
your telling the wrong person about your core truths being attacked contact the President
tell him what you think,
is it he who has some of this blame you cast upon us
i know where all a bunch of Hard Basterds and don't see what others see,
this is how the world works Bro it's not simple,
what are these core truths????
man up stick around don't give me some bullshit Suicide letter saying good by cruel world,
Contact Adam give Him a 6 page email if thats what it takes to get it all out,
maybe he may change his ethics to the way these things get out of hand:)
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Ant138
445 posts
May 14, 2010
12:02 AM
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Hope your not gone for good Congaron.
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Rubes
17 posts
May 14, 2010
12:47 AM
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Yes bro let's stick together...............:)
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toddlgreene
1329 posts
May 14, 2010
4:49 AM
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Don't leave this retired airman all alone! Do a little walkaround time, and we'll hopefully see you shortly. Try my method:avoid those long, ridiculous pissing match posts. When I've gotten involved, it makes my blood boil, too. Just say no.
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7LimitJI
141 posts
May 14, 2010
5:14 AM
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Leave it a few days to cool off.
If you feel the same way then, then go.
I left, then came back after I cooled down, for the same reasons you are stating.
It seems to me that certain members have carte blanche whilst others get a slap down for lesser offences.
But the only way to change is from within !
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saregapadanisa
190 posts
May 14, 2010
5:19 AM
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Congaron, I will miss your input in this forum.
No need to make dramatic moves. Just withdraw from one thread at the time if you feel uncomfortable with it.
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MichaelAndrewLo
368 posts
May 14, 2010
5:30 AM
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Godspeed.
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groyster1
61 posts
May 14, 2010
6:10 AM
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differences of opinion should not upset but I do believe some people are a little too blunt in the forum if everyone would abide by the creed and be respectful of others opinion then there would be less feathers ruffled
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Old Dog
48 posts
May 14, 2010
6:14 AM
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"Godspeed" is a wish for prosperity, or a safe journey. +1
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KingoBad
273 posts
May 14, 2010
6:46 AM
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Old Dog, that was not the way it was intended. Read the Experience Vs. Talent thread if you can stomach that much labored reading.
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Buddha
1832 posts
May 14, 2010
6:52 AM
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kingobad
how do you know what MALs intentions are? I took his comment in this thread as defined.
It's what the early christians would say to each other before a journey.
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OzarkRich
215 posts
May 14, 2010
7:14 AM
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congaron: Please send me some contact info (click on my username). I was looking forward to meeting up at the Lake of the Ozarks sometime.
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Honkin On Bobo
289 posts
May 14, 2010
7:40 AM
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Nasty,
Would you advise a little walkabout?
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Nastyolddog
717 posts
May 14, 2010
8:20 AM
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Yo Honkin Yeh that to,
Allso i strongly suggest he contact Adam again give him that 6 page email be nice,have that heart to heart git it out Bro say what you meen,
don't get to hung up here Bro get out do something away from cyber land,
it may seem as iv'e been in MBH land all day
After my first post this morning i worked out for 40mins on my spin bike,took my dog for 1half hour walk,came home had a quick look at MBH,had a shower
went out the shed finish custom coverting my epiphone
VJ into a Head wasted a few hours away not even thinking About MBH land,
walked my dog over the post office 40 min round trip come home got phone call had to drive 50ks round trip to newcastle pick up a microphone to fix,it's late afternoon by now,
come home my Bro is home from work Drop every thing play music for hours on endand do some talking, him drinking piss me sampling herb still not thinking about MBH land just checking in now,
Bro it's to easy drop the argument walk outside do something:)
Yep Bro walk outside there's a real world out there some where?????
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Littoral
10 posts
May 14, 2010
8:38 AM
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What position do ya'll like to play Amazing Grace in?
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Nastyolddog
720 posts
May 14, 2010
8:46 AM
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Amazing Grace -- what position?
check that thread?
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MP
276 posts
May 14, 2010
8:52 AM
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very sorry if iv'e offended you with "my god was invented before....." remark. perhaps i should stick to my ridiculous customizing tips. i believe you liked those.
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GermanHarpist
1444 posts
May 14, 2010
9:08 AM
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Sorry to hear that...
Nacoran and I should have performed our duties better. But, damn it we have lifes outside MBH too.
Hope that you find aother cool harp place to hang out at.
God bless.
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toddlgreene
1331 posts
May 14, 2010
9:27 AM
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This is a harmonica forum. Not a forum to discuss spiritual beliefs or politics.
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Buddha
1837 posts
May 14, 2010
9:33 AM
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this is a community of harmonica players. MODERN harmonica players. Thinking outside of the box and breaking traditional methods and roles is paramount to being a modern blues harmonica player.
Alternate views are quite necessary to eschew years of conditioning for the betterment of our instrument.
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"There are said to be pleasures in madness, known only to madmen."
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GermanHarpist
1445 posts
May 14, 2010
9:34 AM
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"good thing nobody called god a bitch huh?" why, buddha, why? C'mon, man. stop crosseing the line.
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GermanHarpist
1446 posts
May 14, 2010
9:43 AM
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Just have a little bit of tactfulness for the people that can't see the smirk on your face while you're typing away...
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Tin Lizzie
60 posts
May 14, 2010
9:47 AM
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Yes, it's always acceptable to be disparaging toward women. But insult a guy and all hell breaks loose. Boys (shakes head)
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GermanHarpist
1447 posts
May 14, 2010
9:59 AM
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I like this community. All I know is that threads like the 'talent' thread and situations like these are cancer for a community...
A community is a community because it includes all the people. However, that means that we have to get along somehow. It would be nice if everybody would make an effort so that nobody feels insulted and leaves. We're all adults.
We can blame congaron leaving on whatever we want. However, at the end it's just a big pile of bs.
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shanester
33 posts
May 14, 2010
10:09 AM
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Congaron, please don't take offense, but I read as much of that thread as I could, (difficult, I kept nodding off), and I didn't see anything I considered to be a core truth expressed or attacked.
Of course, I have to acknowledge that I believe words can never be the truth, they can only seek to describe.
I am unwilling to believe that any man is the holder of absolute truth. You have to acknowledge that the "truth" has been used as a weapon many times throughout history and is still.
I do hate to see disagreements about beliefs become divisive. Surely this isn't the real goal of the beliefs? It's not the goal of mine.
When it comes to beliefs I believe actions speak louder than words. Be your beliefs, don't try to convince people. Being has a lot more power.
For some, debate is a sport, nothing wrong with that. It is not the "truth" that wins debates...
Anyhow, your contributions are valued here, you do a lot to reach out to new players and will surely be missed, and there are probably many here who totally agree with everything you say and don't express it, so please reconsider.
Respectfully not agreeing with everything you say but nonetheless considering you a valuable contribution,
Shane
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GermanHarpist
1448 posts
May 14, 2010
10:17 AM
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Congaron had 900+ posts.... imagine how many hours of writing and reading that equates too. No argument is worth losing someone who is so much a part of what we are.
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shanester
34 posts
May 14, 2010
10:19 AM
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True dat!
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Buzadero
400 posts
May 14, 2010
10:26 AM
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Very good point, Mr GH.
Seems kind of a shortsighted waste to cut and run with such investment.
But, that's just me. I don't think anyone is capable of injuring me with the written word to that extent, now that I'm a rationale adult.
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GermanHarpist
1449 posts
May 14, 2010
10:32 AM
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Buzadero, I don't think it's about injuring, but about simply not wanting to hang out at that place.
I think that MBH should be a cool place for everybody to hang out. Whatever their sex, color or belief. If we can't create that environment it's not their problem, IMO it's ours.
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Buzadero
401 posts
May 14, 2010
10:35 AM
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I completely agree. Injure wasn't the right word for what I was thinking. Chalk it up to typing with thumbs right now on a painfully small screen and keyboard.
My point is that, I really don't think you can chase me off with words.
Unless, of course, I have to endure another sarcastic phallic diatribe by that weirdo, Heumann.
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toddlgreene
1334 posts
May 14, 2010
10:40 AM
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Yeah, I think perhaps that Greg has been dealing with too many stick mics lately(ironically making them SHORTER), and has become fascinated by the phallic parallel.
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Buzadero
402 posts
May 14, 2010
10:46 AM
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Damn fine sarcasm though.
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Honkin On Bobo
290 posts
May 14, 2010
11:39 AM
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GH: "Congaron had 900+ posts.... imagine how many hours of writing and reading that equates too. No argument is worth losing someone who is so much a part of what we are."
I think that MBH should be a cool place for everybody to hang out. Whatever their sex, color or belief. If we can't create that environment it's not their problem, IMO it's ours."
I don't know GH, I was a contributor to the thread which resulted in congaron quitting. When adam weighs in with a comment as long as it was, and refers to the thread as a tragicomedy, I take notice. So I went back through and for the life of me couldn't find anything that I thought violated the creed of the forum, even the stuff laced with sarcasm directed at my opinions by my "debate opponent" (I can give as good as I get).
I apologized anyway because I respect what a headache this has to be for Adam, who's just trying to put a bloody forum together where people could talk about harmonica and the blues, and because after reading through the whole thread I realized how bloviatingly ridiculous we must have seemed to anyone not caught up in the discussion (though I genuinely enjoyed the back and forth with the Buddha).
Having said that, is the standard for what's acceptible in this forum...that no member can find what someone says offensive? I'm mean, if I'm a vegan and someone posts about the great barbeque they went to at the Hill Country Harmonica Jam, should I then be outraged, write a thread saying I'm quitting because I can't bear to be around all the meat eaters?
I mean this as sincerely as I can be, I'm not picking a fight here...it's just that I read the creed and thought I understood it clearly, no direct personal insults. With all the hand wringing over congaron's departure I'm not so sure anymore..does it now include say nothing that might offend somebody's beliefs?
FWIW I've asked congaron to reconsider too, he is a great contributor. I just don't think we should be putting a brake on freewheeeling conversation because somebody's feelings might get hurt. But hey, if you or adam or another mod. tell's me that is now part of the creed i'll live by it.
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ness
193 posts
May 14, 2010
12:22 PM
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Here's the answer, fellers:
"If you don't have something nice to say, then just don't say anything at all." (Mom, 1965)
Don't over think this (not that anyone here could ever be guilty of that!) Nice is nice.
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OzarkRich
218 posts
May 14, 2010
12:35 PM
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Something to ponder: Some people might consider being told that their best friend doesn't exist to be a personal attack (at least indirectly).
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GermanHarpist
1450 posts
May 14, 2010
12:43 PM
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I'm not saying that the discussion should end when it gets a little heated. But c'mon, religion and politics, every child knows that people get offended fast with these subjects.
Why go there?
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nacoran
1855 posts
May 14, 2010
12:48 PM
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I really hope Congaron reconsiders. As for what constitutes an attack, I've commented on that on a couple places and there seems to be a lack of consensus. When I discuss religion I try to point out that I may think I have all the answers but that I'm just one person and I make no claim that my opinion is more valid than anyone else's. Even when it comes down to arguing a specific point I try to make it clear that what I'm spouting off is my belief, not an attack on someone else's belief.
Some people have commented that if people don't like their belief they can just leave, that they won't censor their argument for the sake of community. I don't think that's what's being asked. I think it's just a request for tact. A community that doesn't respect other people's belief's ends up just as censored and closed as a community with heavy handed censorship. If people leave and there is no one left with different opinions there is no exchange of ideas left.
Congaron, if I've ever said, or ever say anything offensive, let me know. Forum's don't give much room for context and I'm sure we can find a way to agree to disagree in a way that makes us both happy.
The thread to end all threads was still only heated when I went to bed. I didn't see the remark that I'm guessing you found offensive until I woke up and by then you'd already posted and asked to be removed.
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Buddha
1846 posts
May 14, 2010
12:48 PM
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"Why go there?"
because it part of the reality that we all share. If you don't want to participate then don't, that's how easy it is. I don't understand the need to control all others at the expense of a few or in this case, an individual.
So the policy is going to change because of ONE person's core belief what about the others who weren't offended in the least bit?
Nobody but Congaron forced Congaron to continue reading things he found offensive. You don't like it, then go away. Now I think what Congaron is doing is a little extreme but he certainly could have stayed away from the offending posts or the thread itself.
We are all different and we have to accept each other's differences as a vehicle for boundary expansion. It's your choice to learn or not. Its not fair to limit experiences of others based on the experiences of one.
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
416 posts
May 14, 2010
12:51 PM
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Me, I'm wondering what the "core truth" is. The only core truth involving harmonicas I know of, is that I like them.
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Gwood420
166 posts
May 14, 2010
1:02 PM
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personally, this all seems to me like a cop-out.. im here for harmonica talk, like most of us are.. i can care less what your political or religious views are..
i think congaron should stay, but if you wanna run away so be it.. i would think you are more thick skinned than that..
on the bright side though.. not reading and answering all the posts here frees up more time for harp playing :)
one other thing.. i think we should STOP starting a new thread when we are going to leave.. just leave.. i dont think you need a public announcement.. seems silly..
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Tuckster
537 posts
May 14, 2010
1:04 PM
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Perhaps we should have an unspoken rule: no discussing religion or politics. After all, this is a harmonica forum. I did enjoy the "talent" thread,up to a certain point. I'm hoping congaron just takes a time out and cools off. Pretty hard to shake the forum monkey after 900 posts.
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nacoran
1858 posts
May 14, 2010
1:06 PM
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Buddha, it's not like you haven't been offended by remarks before, yourself.
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nacoran
1860 posts
May 14, 2010
1:25 PM
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May 14, 2010
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Kyzer Sosa
549 posts
May 14, 2010
2:10 PM
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@GH: 'talent' a cancerous thread? i think it was one of the best weve ever had! what is the point of a discussion forum? did we not touch base with about every stance one could take on the subject? ive re read it too, and i dont see any attack on anyone or any belief. no one called anyone stupid for believing or not believing in god. nor did i threaten MAL, because i know i could take him...im not built that way, and would have pointed out that to anyone who did it.
im well aware of the rules of this forum and at no point, IMO, did i see a clear violation. stern beliefs duking it out with words, thats all. thats one of the reasons i come here.
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ness
196 posts
May 14, 2010
2:16 PM
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Buddha,
Fact is, you've taken mild ribbing and turned it into threats of attack dogs, not once, but many times. What you got was shit-flipping, plain and simple, and you overreacted. Like always.
Many of us really like your music, and appreciate your ability (gawd forbid, talent). But you dilute it so much with all the other nonsense. We know you're good. You don't need to keep reminding us. You seem to relish in describing yourself to us, and it's invariably self-promoting, wrapped up with an 'if you don't like it, tough' epitaph. How do you think that sets with us? Or does it even matter?
Be nice. Consider others' opinions and feelings, and weigh them equally with your own. It ain't all about Chris.
I guran-fucking-tee you your business would improve too.
So many times here I've seen plain-old bad behavior excused by someone's stature, or talent, recalling that some blues great was an asshole, or whatever. Lemme give you a tip: assholes are assholes, whether they can play harp or not. We all should aspire to not be assholes.
Maybe even set the bar higher.
I've been a net taker here. I'm relatively new to this, and don't have a lot to add. But there's just too much bullshit here.
Kick my ass outta here -- I don't care. The ratio of good information, for a guy like me, to bullshit is close to zero. And maybe that's ok.
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May 14, 2010
2:26 PM
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