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nacoran
3404 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:17 AM
I have a song lyric I wrote. "When that vein in your forehead gets going/ There ain't much you can do."

You hear that Elizabeth...

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KingoBad
532 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:18 AM
Miles, your very statements about any one of these beliefs being imaginary is inflammatory- your beliefs or another's.

You are taking a religious position and inviting everyone to the dance.

That is why it is so unproductive. You will force equity until we have nothing left to say.

Leave it alone, show some good sense, and fight a real battle that means something somewhere else than a forum about blues harmonica playing...
Learning Harp
32 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:19 AM
Buddhism focuses on the teachings of Siddhattha Gotama (Buddha). His teachings are not a religion but a philosophy. You could be a Christian and also follow the philosophies of whoever you like, Buddha included. :)
toddlgreene
2234 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:20 AM
p.s.-I couldn't help but notice your signature line no longer contains mention of the Bears, Miles. ;-)
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Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2010 11:24 AM
HarpNinja
862 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:20 AM
Miles, that is simply not true. You have said in more than one post that karma does not exist. You very quickly went from posing a questions, inappropriately as defined by forum creed, to stating an opinion in opposition to what others might hold as a belief.

Had you just stuck to the inquiry, which was against creed to begin with, that is one thing. However, you have said repeatedly that a concept you hold to be religious is wrong and not the truth.

Also, you again mention that you cannot talk about God, but then turnaround and pose a question about God.

You have trounced beliefs in this thread well beyond any such trouncing others have committed in the name of karma.

Please point to specific evidence where the word karma as it relates to religious beliefs was discussed and is against forum creed outside of this threat you started.

I found the word used, but never any discussion over it and certainly nothing with religious overtones. In fact, I bet most the people who used it don't even associate with the philosophy and/or religion it stems from.
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Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2010 11:24 AM
nacoran
3406 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:25 AM
Miles, in general, we don't talk about Karma. In general we don't have astrological readings. The line, in the past has been drawn somewhere around season's greetings. I logged on an saw both of these threads at the same time.

I'm non-religious and like to consider myself tolerant to most beliefs. The ban on religious discussion here has not been designed to deny anyone their beliefs but because people don't seem to be able to discuss the topic in a civil fashion. I actually like discussing differences of beliefs, but it doesn't seem to work here. It seems your complaint is not about religious discussion but uneven enforcement. Fair point, but like I said, I logged on and saw both of these threads at the same time.

I'll post this message on the other thread too.

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Miles Dewar
532 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:39 AM
@harpninja

Yes. I did!

Now if I were to say that there are magical frogs in my bunghole that can fly me to the moon when I say the word banana, and I truly believe this....... If you said it were untrue and doesn't exist...... You would be violating creed rules wouldn't you. As you stated.


You can give Karma whatever name you like, philosophy, flower of human intellect, etc.
But believing that magical unproven forces cause bad things to people who do bad things ARE religious beliefs. And thus should be banned from the forum.

If not, explain what makes Christianity a religion and karma or buddism NOT a religion.
Miles Dewar
534 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:50 AM
Thank you narcoran.

Fair enforcement.





I am done. A apologize for any confusion through my writings. You all have a good Wednesday.


Go Bears. :)

Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2010 11:52 AM
Buddha
2733 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:51 AM
what magical force made you take ONE word from ONE post that I made in another thread and have issue with it?

I consider it a personal attack on me. You should be banned for that.

Talking about religion is yet another reason you should be banned.

And taking my good Christian name and attaching to some crazy theory is also offensive.

I hereby vote for Miles to be banned until Jan 3rd 2011


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toddlgreene
2235 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:52 AM
Why Jan 3rd 2011, Buddha?
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HarpNinja
863 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:53 AM
"Now if I were to say that there are magical frogs in my bunghole that can fly me to the moon when I say the word banana, and I truly believe this....... If you said it were untrue and doesn't exist...... You would be violating creed rules wouldn't you. As you stated."

What's your point? To me, this comment just proves my point. I didn't say anything you said was untrue or didn't exist. You said more than once that karma was untrue and didn't exist.

Your attack on karma for the sake of attacking karma does, in fact, wage a case against any and all subjective disagreement on this forum. My point is that the use of karma was never intended for religious interpretation, never been used to create debate, and should be allowed as it has been used as an idiom. No one has attached religion with karma on this forum until your post.

Christianity is a religion because there is worship. Worship of God and the supernatural. Buddhism may have elements of the supernatural or a belief system, but nothing is supposed to be worshiped. In fact, you don't even have to believe in all or any of it to be Buddhist.
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Kyzer Sosa
900 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:55 AM
I dont know anything about Karma. but what goes around comes around...just because you dont see it firsthand doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Miles, perhaps the men on the plane that dropped the a bomb were afflicted with remorse none of us could ever fathom, or maybe their wives were burned to death in a car wreck years later... we just dont really know now do we?
Karma has never come off as a religious thing to me. It's very much a philosophy some people live by.
and ive got news for you, karma wont be banned from this forum. this thread might be

funny how this thread should pop up when admin is overseas...

move on...
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HarpNinja
864 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:56 AM
And I am not championing the notion that Buddhism can or should be allowed to be discussed on the forum and Christianity can't. I am just saying that the use of the word karma, which is commonly associated with Buddhism and incorrectly used as a slang term in pop-culture, doesn't really cross the line that other slang terms might.

Please don't make me list examples.
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Learning Harp
33 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:57 AM
Is Nietzsche a religion? No, but people go to college to learn his philosophy. Just as Buddhist monks go to monasteries to learn and practice Buddhist philosophy. In strict Buddhist practice one does not pray to a figure of Buddha, one looks at it as a image of encouragement, that someday you will be enlightened etc.. Like one might put a photo of Michael Jordan on a wall aspiring to be a great basketball player someday. That's part of the difference between a religion and a philosophy Miles.
Miles Dewar
535 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:57 AM
I am not attacking YOUR statement. Grow up a little. I'm attacking THE statement. As I said in my origional post.

So how many times has Chris just jumped to "Ban" status?


Saying that I should be banned and voting that I should be banned until Jan 3 2011.

Wow.

Classless. And I need thicker skin?

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"And I am not championing the notion that Buddhism can or should be allowed to be discussed on the forum and Christianity can't. I am just saying that the use of the word karma, which is commonly associated with Buddhism and incorrectly used as a slang term in pop-culture, doesn't really cross the line that other slang terms might."


If I talk about heaven or he'll making me pay for my bad things but I say nothing of God........... I'm still talking about Christianity or another religion that that is from. thus these are STILL talks of religion and should be banned from the forum.

Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2010 12:02 PM
toddlgreene
2236 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:59 AM
I read all this with a smile...not because it's funny really, but because I know I have two cold home-brewed beers waiting for me in the fridge when I get home. I will first drink a toast to the Chicago Bears "for giving lower teams"such as the Saints" an ability to survive and co-exist in today's football."

See, even the Bears contribute to karma.

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Todd L. Greene, Codger-in-training

Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2010 12:00 PM
KeithE
140 posts
Dec 15, 2010
11:59 AM
Miles as others have said, Karma is not a mystical mysterious metaphysical force. It's just cause and effect. So for example you do something to offend a community, you could be shunned. (e.g. nobody will sell you custom harps, amps, lessons,...) If you hang out in the violent camp with the Rainbow family, then you're more likely to be beaten up or otherwise victimized.

You may be thinking something more along the lines of the Buddhist concept of accumulating "merit".

Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2010 12:00 PM
Buddha
2734 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:00 PM
"Why Jan 3rd 2011, Buddha?"

Because Jan 1 is a holiday weekend. Who wants to take the time to unban somebody during arguably the most festive weekend of the year? Everybody know you get back to business and turn over a new leaf on the first business day of the year. Duh!



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toddlgreene
2237 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:01 PM
Good point.
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Buddha
2735 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:03 PM
Now I'm really confused. Is WiFi a religion? It's a magically powerful force that makes good and bad things happen to my computer.

And cell phones cause cancer.

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Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2010 12:05 PM
HarpNinja
865 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:04 PM
"a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destinies."

This is a very very vague definition, although not incorrect, IMO.

I believe, quite strongly, that one's networking and marketing abilities have a greater impact on one's musical destiny than musical talent. A harp player with less ability than and skill could easily be more successful performing than the top player in the world.

That would fit under religion as defined above. I know that literally that definition is probably implying supernatural power and supernatural powers, but that isn't explicit.

I suppose we need to band the word supernatural and destiny too as they have definitions that stem into religion. In fact, the whole concept of destiny has a mysticism (crap,have to ban that word too) oft associated with religion.
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HarpNinja
866 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:05 PM
We also have to ban any discussion around talent as it too crosses into religion.
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Miles Dewar
536 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:10 PM
Buddah.

You still haven't learned that wifi has MEASURABLE waves that are transmitted VIA electronic equipment.

It's not magical. It's provided by time Warner. Now your just being ignorant.
tmf714
398 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:14 PM
'Karma' is an Indian religious concept in contradistinction to 'faith' espoused by Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), which view all human dramas as the will of God as opposed to present—and past—life actions. In theistic schools of Hinduism, humans have free will to choose good or evil and suffer the consequences, which require the will of God to implement karma's consequences, unlike Buddhism or Jainism which do not accord any role to a supreme God or gods. In Indian beliefs, the karmic effects of all deeds are viewed as actively shaping past, present, and future experiences. The results or 'fruits' of actions are called karma-phala
Kyzer Sosa
901 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:14 PM
no i think he was being sarcastic...even i could tell that

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Miles Dewar
537 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:18 PM
Talent is a direct result of practice. Your muscles and mind play together until your muscle memory comes to a point that minute movements and advanced movements in your muscles and mind come out whe electrical signals from your brain say to do so.

This is not supernatural. It's physical.

When I practice, I get better. It's not karma. It's your body developing the ability for your muscles to move in ways that it hasn't Been able to do before with the ability to do so quickly.

Duh. I how you could say different.
Magical forces don't make me better when I practice.

Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2010 12:20 PM
toddlgreene
2238 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:18 PM
Karma Chameleon harp tab(phew, back to harp talk!)

Okay this is just a harp tab of the harp bits that Judd Lander played
on the song!
It’s a 1st position straight harp
You will need a B FLAT HARP TO PLAY THESE PIECES!!!
Here it is ENJOY!!!

Harp Intro 0:08

4 -4 4 6 5 -4 7 -7 -6 6 6 6 -4 5 (hold last note)

0:47

-3,-3,-3,-4b,-4b,-4b,-4b

0:58

-3,-3,-3,-4b,-4b,-4b,-3b

1:40

-3,-3,-3,-4b,-4b,-4b,-4b,7 (hold it faintly) pause for one count then
scoop bend or slow dwah, -5

1:50

-4,-4b,-4 (do a slow scoop or dwah bend)


2:18 Solo


-2fsb and hold,release bend and then bend it back dwah or scoop bend
4,5,6,6(hold), 6,5,5,4

2:53 faint background

5 (hold it) -4,-3 (slide it for best results)

3:03
-4b hold -5 (faint with hand vibrato)

3:34

-3,-3,-3,-4b,-4b,-4b,-3b

3:39

-5b,-5b,-5b

3:44

3,4,4,5,5,5,5,

3:49
5 hold one two counts,4

3:55

3,4,4,5 hold it

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Kyzer Sosa
902 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:19 PM
does it really matter? ask yourself this question... will talks of karma (however limited) turn you sour about the regular goings on that happens here?are we so sensitive that we cant just skip over parts we dont accept or understand? i dont like that I cant smack a woman over her head and drag her back to my cave, but i dont dwell on it.

hell, six months ago i couldve sworn my titans had a shot at the playoffs. then Bud Adams puts a diaper on VY and pacifier in his coaches mouth. Here's to a high pick (hopefully a QB) in the '11 draft.

edit: please look up the thread started by MaL about talent, it has 300 posts, which prompted the banning of religion in the creed. talent, i dont think, is measured by the amount of practice alone.. ok im done now.
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Buddha
2736 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:22 PM
Judd Lander? I'm pretty sure it was Rob Paparozzi.


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toddlgreene
2239 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:23 PM
One of those cold ones has your name on it, Kyzer. Let's kick back, down some good-quality ales, then play along( with wet mouths and waaaaay too much breath force)with the Culture Club video.
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Todd L. Greene, Codger-in-training

Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2010 12:28 PM
Miles Dewar
538 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:24 PM
The problem is that religious talks have been stated to be against board creed. Talks of karma are talks of religion.


That's my point.


The problem is is that I cannot tell someone that has done something bad that they are going to hell for it........ Posting anything about karma taking place is exactly that.

You cannot say different.
MrVerylongusername
1413 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:30 PM
Rob P played the harp parts for a reunion VH1 storytellers gig.

Judd Lander played on the original 80s tracks
Kyzer Sosa
903 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:30 PM
im the most anti-religious person here...trust me, but i believe what goes around comes around... define that?

I define it as Karma... as it was explained to me as a youth. Ive seen it happen. And it provides a security blanket when youve been wronged and have no way to get back at someone. it makes you feel good to know the person that screwed you will get theirs in due time, right? bear in mind, all this was explained to me outside of any religious context whatsoever.

oh and uh...
last word... nah nah na boo boo?

youve made your point right? me too. so lets do something else? anything more here seems like supergluing your feet to the asphalt before a race...
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toddlgreene
2240 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:31 PM
http://www.juddlander.co.uk/photofiles.htm
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cchc

Todd L. Greene, Codger-in-training
Stickman
567 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:33 PM
Karma = break the forum creed and you might get the boot
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toddlgreene
2241 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:36 PM
Seems like it's due time for something completely different:

let's play this in round
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Todd L. Greene, Codger-in-training
tookatooka
1938 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:36 PM
@Miles, why don't you voice your concerns to Adam as he is the only one who can do anything about it?

I think you've made your point. As feeble as it is.

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HarpNinja
867 posts
Dec 15, 2010
12:50 PM
"Talent is a direct result of practice. Your muscles and mind play together until your muscle memory comes to a point that minute movements and advanced movements in your muscles and mind come out whe electrical signals from your brain say to do so.

This is not supernatural. It's physical.

When I practice, I get better. It's not karma. It's your body developing the ability for your muscles to move in ways that it hasn't Been able to do before with the ability to do so quickly.

Duh. I how you could say different.
Magical forces don't make me better when I practice. "

Frequently using words like "duh" is not helping your case, especially since your next sentence makes no sense. I can say differently - what about savants? What about people with perfect pitch? What about people with autism?

I had a girlfriend who never took a formal piano lesson but could play back any intermediate piano pieces. She couldn't even read music.

Several years back I met a Blues Traveler fan whose autistic brother could play back anything Popper had played note from note after hearing it once.

I worked harder than my high-school classmate Brook Bollinger. He went on to play football for WI and play in the NFL. I did not.

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sammyharp
69 posts
Dec 15, 2010
1:05 PM
anyone that thinks karma is bull should read up on astrophysics. The universe has plenty of karma oing on. Karma is just a constant balancing of opposing energy. Matter and antimatter, proton and electron, black holes recycling matter and spitting it back out as energy. It all is simply symetrical movement of forces. Any action has an equal and opposite reaction. Bernuli's Law. It#s just logic, not religion.
toddlgreene
2243 posts
Dec 15, 2010
1:10 PM
Hey, I remember that from my Air Force Jet Engine theory class many moons ago...
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Todd L. Greene, Codger-in-training

Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2010 1:17 PM
MP
1140 posts
Dec 15, 2010
1:11 PM
WOW! the SAINTS won the superbowl??!! (sorry, been astral traveling and didn't check my inbox.)

wouldn't it be a hoot if there were a team called the Atheists?

i'd root for 'em out of plain cussedness!
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toddlgreene
2244 posts
Dec 15, 2010
1:15 PM
haha...and it snowed here, too. Well, a little.
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scojo
150 posts
Dec 15, 2010
1:19 PM
Todd: pretty sure that Karma Chameleon is played in cross harp. That's how it sounds to me, and that what it says here, although I'm not vouching for the site's accuracy:



http://www.harpsurgery.com/culture-club-harmonica-karma-chameleon/

MP
1142 posts
Dec 15, 2010
1:20 PM
Todd,
i'm happy the saints won. i just wanna give the atheists some too.
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Buddha
2737 posts
Dec 15, 2010
1:29 PM
"The problem is that religious talks have been stated to be against board creed. Talks of karma are talks of religion."

that's like saying it's against the forum creed to call my name.


Look up this word in the good book - "context"



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toddlgreene
2245 posts
Dec 15, 2010
1:33 PM
Scott-I just copied and pasted that to try and lighten things up. I actually played it before with a band many years ago, and I probably played it in 2nd, since it's my default position.



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Miles Dewar
539 posts
Dec 15, 2010
1:34 PM
Noooooooooooooo not the saints :).

Well get one soon.
-------------------------------

about what I said before "I am done" I should have stayed to that.

I'm sorry if my post caused any problems and I apologize if my writings were misinterpreted. I do appreciate All the posts.

You all have a good Wednesday and may the Bears win a superbowl this year......... Though the Patriots.... The Patriots........

Thank You,
-Miles
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nacoran
3409 posts
Dec 15, 2010
1:37 PM
There are many definitions of karma to suit different peoples' tastes. Some definitions are not religious, however some very clearly are. If you believe in a balancing force that will bring good things to you if you do good deeds (or bad things if you do bad) it's nature very much depends on how you think those things will come to happen. If you think people will notice your good deeds and reward you, or believe that if you try to make the world a better place that better world you are making may, well, be a better place, karma is a philosophical point of view. If you believe that some unseen balance will do good things for you it is religion. Astrology is religion. Christianity is religion. Ouija is religion. Ghosts are religion. Auras are religion. Lucky T-Shirts worn on game day are religion.

Wifi is not religion. Is any of this real? Well, that's the whole question of religion. Religion is based on the epistemology of faith. Science is based on the epistemology of testability. That doesn't make one better than the other but it does mean that if you have a scientific disagreement you can get out the old calipers and measuring tapes and test it. You can't test matters of faith (although I suppose maybe you could test someones faith!) Because you can't measure matters of faith people tend to have very different opinions on it without any way to prove it to anyone else. That creates a feedback loop for argument. That's why it was banned from the site. That feedback loop, like any feedback loop, just makes things louder and louder. What might start off as a pleasant noise eventually becomes a shriek. Sometimes the only way to do that is for everyone to turn off their microphone all at once and move on to another refrain that's less likely to cause that feedback loop, unless, you think somehow we are going to resolve this issue to the point where everyone on the forum converts to the same faith. Some things might even be too powerful for the blues.

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scojo
153 posts
Dec 15, 2010
2:00 PM
Todd, you are a trip. :)
Philippe
49 posts
Dec 15, 2010
6:33 PM
"anyone that thinks karma is bull should read up on astrophysics. The universe has plenty of karma oing on."

Really, so what karma effect balances deltaS(universe)?

Sorry, bad science annoys me. Back to harp.

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