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Miles Dewar
701 posts
Feb 06, 2011
8:55 AM
I just got my first Chromatic harmonica the other day Loving the Little Walter cuts like Blue Light.

But a Very weird thing happened to me when I put the harmonica in my mouth....

......I did NOT lip purse. I tongue blocked Everything.


I DON'T tongue block diatonic (except for split octaves). I have only tried to tongue block single notes a few times on diatonic. I'm not sure why I tongue blocked it. I just picked it up, put it in my mouth and tried some octaves and then just kept my tongue on the harmonica.

Now when I try to lip purse chromatic, it feels strange. I still feel natural lip pursing on diatonic though.
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Can't tongue block diatonic. Only lip purse.
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Can't lip purse chromatic. Only tongue block.

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Does this seem strange to anyone else?
robbert
27 posts
Feb 06, 2011
10:57 AM
Actually, you probably can tongue block the diatonic, with some practice. And you probably can purse the chromatic. I am not exclusive to either technique now, but I did have to learn to block. Pursing came naturally, as I initially had no instruction, nor any notion of tongue blocking.

Blocking may seem more accessible on the chromatic as it is bigger, and not so easy for the tongue to just plain get in the way like when you first begin learning on the diatonic.

If you learn, with a little persistence, and practice to perform either technique at will, it gives you a lot of versatility, I think. I'm more comfortable with pursing, but use blocking at least as much, and more as the years go by.

You won't regret the time put in to become comfortable with both techniques, especially if you play out, and in a variety of musical styles.

My next "job", as I see it, is to get a handle on overbending. That, I can only do as a lip purser. Some others can tongue block overblows.

Now that is beyond me.

The best of luck with your harpin'!
MP
1381 posts
Feb 06, 2011
11:51 AM
the chros tend to sound better TBd on walter tunes. also, a TB embochure literaly opens your mouth up for those essential chords..
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Miles Dewar
702 posts
Feb 06, 2011
1:30 PM
I kind of figure it was because the chromatic is so big.
Who can tongue block overblow? Haven't heard of Anyone.
jbone
489 posts
Feb 06, 2011
1:37 PM
i'm with robbert on the purse or tongue block thing. i do both but i wish i'd learned tb from the start. i think it gives a much better control over tone, which to me is square one in playing harp well.
i recall the early harps i bought, or maybe it was an old instruction book, specifically leading me to purse the lips and play that way, so it was how i developed. old habits are hard to break and i have become pretty dang good at pursing over many years, but still, esp with 3rd position, tongue block gives so many more options, and it has also bled into my 2nd position as well.
i'm curious miles- what brand and type of chromatic did you get? i started with hohner 270, wnet to the chrometta models, and then to hering 5148s. next i plan to try a suzuki scx model.
one thing i noticed on different models is how much the mouthpiece makes a difference to ease of play- at least for me. the 270's have square holes. the chromettas have big square holes. the herings have round holes as do the suzuki scx. i find the round holes are easier to play with.
tmf714
470 posts
Feb 06, 2011
3:07 PM
"Who can tongue block overblow? Haven't heard of Anyone."
Dennis Gruenling can and does on chromatic and diatonic.
Miles Dewar
703 posts
Feb 06, 2011
5:47 PM
Jbone,

It is a "Hohner 270 Super Chromonica".

Bought it for $30.oo from a friend. He never played it.
RyanMortos
1010 posts
Feb 06, 2011
6:25 PM
Miles, I had the same exact reaction. I've played almost all pucker on diatonic until one day I picked up the chromatic. Instantly I was playing tongue blocked without thinking about it. This lended to me playing diatonic tongue blocked more often. Though I still switch between tongue blocked and pucker, I think they have different advantages/disadvantages over each other. I should add as soon as I started running scales on the chromatic I went to pucker, lol.

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Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2011 6:26 PM
Miles Dewar
706 posts
Feb 06, 2011
7:49 PM
Wow! I didn't know Gruenling used overblows tongue blocked. Don't listen to him much, I'll have to check some stuff out where he does. Have any recommendations?
nacoran
3778 posts
Feb 06, 2011
9:30 PM
Now that you mention it, I think I tongue block more on my chromatic than I do on diatonic. I don't play the chromatic very often. My bet would be on the size too.

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The Gloth
574 posts
Feb 07, 2011
5:07 AM
@ tmf : Dennis Gruenling overblows on chromatic ? Hum, are you sure ?

I never thought of TB'ing the chromatic, seems a good idea ! I'll try that at home.

Last Edited by on Feb 07, 2011 5:09 AM
7LimitJI
383 posts
Feb 07, 2011
5:32 AM
"Who can tongue block overblow? Haven't heard of Anyone."
Dennis Gruenling can and does on chromatic and diatonic.

I reckon you'd have to remove the draw reed windsaver to do this on chromatic.
Cos when you blow it shuts off the draw reed.
Its the draw reed that sounds during an overblow.

Other thing is there is no need to OB on a chromatic.
All the notes are there.Via the slide.
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KingoBad
597 posts
Feb 07, 2011
6:04 AM
MAL has had several vids of him TB overblowing.

I learned how to do them, but have not worked them into my playing as I still prefer to LP the OBs. One day I hope to slap into an OB.

I think you are selling yourself short if you only LP on a chrom. Getting those BIG octaves is just to good to pass up.
Diggsblues
718 posts
Feb 07, 2011
6:21 AM
This tune switches between pucker and tongue block on
the ten hole. I tongue blocking 99% of the time
on chromatic.


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boris_plotnikov
442 posts
Feb 07, 2011
6:29 AM
I play LP on diatonic around 70%, TB around 30%, while I 100% tongue blocker on chromatic. I control bends and overbends better with LP much better, while I don't need overbends and controllable bends on chromatic.
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tmf714
471 posts
Feb 07, 2011
6:51 AM
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Feb 07, 2011
6:58 AM
barbequebob
1527 posts
Feb 07, 2011
7:51 AM
I know of plenty of chromatic players who don't TB and one of them is jazz great Toots Thielemans. I feel quite comfortable doing it both ways. Larry Adler also used both ways and often mentioned he was able to play with more force puckered rather than TB'd. One really should learn both. Classical chromatic teachers all teach TB as THE method for playing chromatic.
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