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Spider
12 posts
Oct 05, 2010
11:49 AM
The band I'm in added a new song to our set list, Born Under A Bad Sign in C#m. I'm thinking I'll just sit this song out unless someone has any suggestions on what key harp to use. I thought maybe an F#, but I don't have one.
I appreciate any suggestions.
harpdude61
386 posts
Oct 05, 2010
11:56 AM
Try a D harp in 6th position. 3 draw is your root
hvyj
679 posts
Oct 05, 2010
12:34 PM
Try an A harp in 5th position. Blow 2 is root. Draw 2 and Blow 3 are flat third. Don't bend anything but draw 3 and try to avoid draw 5 and draw 9. This will put you in C# natural minor.
sammyharp
55 posts
Oct 05, 2010
12:42 PM
how bout plain old 3rd position on a b harp? Or you could go with crossharp on a low f# for a nice big, low, punchy sound:)
MP
878 posts
Oct 05, 2010
12:47 PM
why not a B harp in 3rd? you get a dorian minor.


oh, sammy got here first.
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Last Edited by on Oct 05, 2010 12:48 PM
Spider
13 posts
Oct 05, 2010
1:09 PM
I like the idea of going with a low F# in crossharp. It didn't even occur to me they made a low F#
nacoran
2905 posts
Oct 05, 2010
2:18 PM
Seydel makes a low low F# harp. It's funny though, when they list their keys a lot of shops list low F and high G but don't list low F#.

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boris_plotnikov
267 posts
Oct 05, 2010
9:38 PM
E or better LE harp n 4th position can be good. But for Born Under A Bad Sign I'd recommend B harp in 3rd position. Ask your bandmates to transpose tune to Cm or Dm and use your Bb or C harmonicas respectively.
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MP
884 posts
Oct 06, 2010
10:56 AM
2nd pos (F# harp) will work but you will lose a beautiful minor blow chord.

see jason ricci video comparing LO natural minor harp to major harp in 3rd pos. to see what i mean about the superiority of 3rd pos.
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Spider
14 posts
Oct 06, 2010
11:40 AM
You guys gave me alot to work with, thanks! I'm gonna order a low F# and try some of your other ideas. We don't rehearse again til next Sunday, but I'll let you know how it goes.
TNFrank
357 posts
Oct 06, 2010
11:47 AM
Unless the singer absolutely needs to sing that song in that key I don't see any reason why they can't transpose it to a different key. Shouldn't be too hard and it'd probably be easier on the guitar players to play in straight C or D rather then C#m.
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Spider
15 posts
Oct 07, 2010
10:36 AM
TNF,
I guess I could ask the guitar player/singer to play it in a different key, but he's been pretty accomodating to me. He let me pick most of the songs we play, and he puts up with my shit, and values my opinion when others aren't willing to. So didn't question him on this one.
TNFrank
366 posts
Oct 07, 2010
10:40 AM
It just seems like C#m is such an odd key to play or sing in. I mean it'd not hurt to ask at least.
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MrVerylongusername
1281 posts
Oct 07, 2010
10:57 AM
If that's the key of the original recording, I wouldn't be surprised if it was recorded in C or D and sped up or slowed during the mastering stage.
Spider
16 posts
Oct 07, 2010
1:05 PM
Yep, it is an odd key, and it doesn't hurt to ask, and I will.
I think Albert King originally did it in D.
boris_plotnikov
269 posts
Oct 07, 2010
9:41 PM
G minor


C# (Db) minor because of brass section


Bb major

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hvyj
686 posts
Oct 08, 2010
12:10 AM
Boris: Is it G dorian minor, G natural minor or G harmonic minor?
boris_plotnikov
271 posts
Oct 08, 2010
1:09 AM
IV and V chord are major which may refers to melodic minor or dorian minor and harmonica minor. However melody and solos are actually in blues/pentatonic scale as far as I can hear without deep transcribing no one in band emphasize nor #VI or #VII steps of the scale (maybe as passing tones in some passages only) and no one plays melodic minor passages.
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Last Edited by on Oct 08, 2010 1:55 AM
hvyj
687 posts
Oct 08, 2010
7:54 AM
So...third position would probably work best.
hvyj
703 posts
Oct 12, 2010
2:55 PM
After giving this a little more thought, i am re-thinking what i said in my last post.

This tune seems to use the jazz melodic minor scale (minor third, major 6, major 7). I don't OB, but I do play multiple positions. However, so I'm uncertain about what position I could play in to actually get this scale. Any suggestions?
boris_plotnikov
275 posts
Oct 13, 2010
12:04 AM
hvyj
Chord progression looks like it have to be jazz melodic minor. But actually melodic minor will not fit the song. It's better to use blues scale or some dorian.
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