saregapadanisa
191 posts
May 14, 2010
6:03 AM
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Ok, there are these endless controversial threads going slightly out of control, of which some of our distinguished contributors are not happy with.
One thing I've noticed is that, at one point, these threads invariably drift toward the topic of dog training.
If this forum is to live up to its reputation, it should definitly be able to detect each dog training Youtube video in the contents and place accordingly a red signal alert on the board.
Problem solved.
- personal message to B. :
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Kyzer Sosa
545 posts
May 14, 2010
6:30 AM
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yeah, a chat room would be welcomed...
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OzarkRich
216 posts
May 14, 2010
7:56 AM
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My mom travels the country showing dogs (Japanese chins). It's what she lives for. I've learned when the conversation "goes to the dogs", it's time to go hang with my dad, whose into guns, gardening and harmonicas.
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nacoran
1857 posts
May 14, 2010
1:05 PM
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Saregapadanisa- That is the funniest comment I have read in forever.
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Nate
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ness
195 posts
May 14, 2010
1:13 PM
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Rich: what a novel approach!
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Gwood420
167 posts
May 14, 2010
1:15 PM
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add my vote for the chat room...
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jim
24 posts
May 14, 2010
1:32 PM
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A normal forum would need some monthly payment for hosting, etc. But that would allow a normal website and a normal forum on the other hand.
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arzajac
183 posts
May 14, 2010
6:19 PM
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Jim: "A normal forum would need some monthly payment for hosting, etc"
As far as I know, the hosting for this site and forum costs a lot more than what I pay for bulk hosting - and I host many ("normal") sites on one account.
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jim
25 posts
May 15, 2010
8:53 AM
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We are starting a wiki project together with Germanharpist, and are very likely to buy a macos server dedicate. It would make a whole world of difference usability-wise (because its wiki engine is simply incomparable to the wikipedia cr*p). If anyone can share a small part of the expense (about a hundred bucks per month I think) - will be great.
Nuff said, such hosting can endure a hefty forum and much more.
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JimInMO
57 posts
May 15, 2010
9:10 AM
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"One thing I've noticed is that, at one point, these threads invariably drift toward the topic of dog training."
I've noticed that quite frequently if the thread goes much past 2 pages that it has wandered way away from the subject the op posted about. So I just don't click on it anymore.
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barbequebob
819 posts
May 15, 2010
9:49 AM
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Be it dogs or anything else, too often threads are getting sometimes FAR off into tangents that make little or no sense with what the original topic was all about and there's benn FAR TOO MUCH posting that sounds so hyper-testosteronial (for a lack of a better way to put it) that sounds like if you don't agree with someone, then someone has seemingly has to do what could be said as an insult to someone's manhood, and this was something Harp-L, the longest running internet harmonica forum had been notorious for and why you often didn't seen female harp players or bigger names stick their 2 cents into the fray because more than a few of them had been bludgeoned by such ridiculously disrespectful postings and even tho there are tons of people on this forum as well as others, including Harp-L who will lurk, too often this will scare people away from participating and for some who lurk, look at forums like these as place for having a good belly laugh at people making fools of themselves doing crap like that and I've actually met someone who lurks on this forum and has personally said that he often laughs at some of this stuff because that "prove your manhood' kind of posting that has been way too pervasive.
Chats are OK, but there are so many time zones that it would be tough to schedule any particular artist as a guest because it's impossible to please everyone about the time.
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jim
26 posts
May 15, 2010
10:11 AM
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wiki engine matters. A $80 difference here will mean: a dead project that no one edits/updates because it's too complicated, or an easy to use, living project with active participants. Trust me, I have 5 month of wiki experience on a big russian harmonica forum.
You pay six bucks for a virtual host. I'm talking about a dedicate on a mac mini - the whole server is at your disposal. Or does your host has unlimited CPU usage as well? I highly doubt that.
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MP
283 posts
May 15, 2010
10:13 AM
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i agree bob,
it gets purdy stoopid and often has very little to do with playing the harp, except in the most peripheral way.
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arzajac
186 posts
May 15, 2010
4:39 PM
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"A $80 difference here will mean: a dead project that no one edits/updates because it's too complicated, or an easy to use, living project with active participants. Trust me, I have 5 month of wiki experience on a big russian harmonica forum."
I've been doing this a lot longer than that.
My business website
You don't need a lot of horsepower to run a wiki that will serve such a small audience. Really. Caching will do the job in the place of unlimited CPU power.
And I predict your wiki will be dead regardless of the backend software since you are reinventing the wheel. I have experience at online documentation, too.
https://launchpad.net/~arzajac
I have been involved in the Ubuntu project since October 2004 when it started. There are and have been many, many disparate sources of documentation for all the various things you can do with Ubuntu Linux. I tried to coordinate some integration among different projects, but what ultimately determines success is very difficult to pinpoint. You need to be unique and offer something that others don't. You also need to achieve critical mass.
When you are dealing with online community-directed documentation you have to deal with *the flow of people* and not the people themselves. People jump in, help out and then leave. When you have thousands of eager software hackers looking for documentation and writing it as they go, you get to see patterns in how the good documentation gets written and maintained.
With a slow trickle, it's that much harder. You may write a significant amount of documentation in a short period of time and declare success only to find the one or two key people involved lose interest and your project soon becomes unmaintained.
That's why I think it would be smarter to direct your energy to an existing online harmonica wiki. It doesn't matter how shitty you think the tools are to edit a page - that's not why people write documentation. (And that's not why some projects fail.) People who really want to write will take a few moments to figure out how to log in and write.
Trust me, you want to direct your time to getting the information online and not in patching your homeade server every week.
Last Edited by on May 15, 2010 4:50 PM
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nacoran
1873 posts
May 15, 2010
4:45 PM
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arzajac, it's not so much we didn't want to work with the existing wiki. We tried a portal on Wikipedia and the powers that be told us we weren't important enough to have a portal. It was really frustrating. We already had links to a bunch of harp players and were adding links to other harp content. We got redacted.
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arzajac
187 posts
May 15, 2010
5:04 PM
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Nacoran : Well, maybe a portal on wikipedia is not the right tool.
What about this wikibook?
There seems to be a lot of different websites that gather harmonica information. Some are community-oriented and some are private. What can a new project do than none of these existing ones already do or can do with a little help?
Jim: I don't want to tell you what to do. Nor do I want you to fail. I'm just giving my 2 cents.
I have also thought about creating a wiki or some other harmonica documentation website. I decided against it for the reasons I have already stated.
As well, I have offered Adam my services in the past to provide a more feature-rich forum/website. He declined. He likes it just the way it is. And then that's the way is should be.
It's the people that make an online community work. The biggest wikis that I have ever known work on sotware than a lot of people call shit (MediaWiki and Moin Moin). Still these are wikis with thousands of participants and millions of lines of text. So, it's not the software that determines success.
I'm not the best at hosting websites - there's always someone better out there, but I do have some experience and I know what I am talking about.
Cheers!
Last Edited by on May 15, 2010 5:12 PM
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jim
28 posts
May 16, 2010
2:48 AM
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No offence taken, bro. It's not signing to serve a lifetime in prison. We'll fire it up for one month and see what can become of it.
Other wikis? Great! We can gather info from them in one place.
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