tmf714
93 posts
May 03, 2010
2:17 PM
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@toddlgreene-obviously you have no idea-lol.
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tmf714
94 posts
May 03, 2010
2:18 PM
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@ Kyser Sosa -We already put down the RT-10 pickup and two worked Vipers-it's all about he driver with these vehicles.
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Ev630
343 posts
May 03, 2010
9:47 PM
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Anyway, regarding the point about plugging into whatever's available - we've all done that at one time or another. But if you care about your tone, you try and control the situation, rather than rolling the dice every time. Besides, this thread is about an amp designed to deliver a fat Chicago tone and, with all respect, that isn't something Buddha is known for.
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5F6H
104 posts
May 04, 2010
1:29 AM
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@ TMF714 "Incorrect-if you swap tubes and re-bias,it can drop output by two to as much as five volts. FACT." Amp output is measured in Watts not volts, when swapping one tube for another it is assumed that you will rebias to a consistent plate current, otherwise you are not comparing like with like. Highest power output rarely occurs at highest bias current setting, so in that respect, even 25W current production tubes don't give away significant output compared to NOS 30W tubes (many harp players prefer the mid dissipation Phillips 6L6WGB for example). You bias for tone in any case, the current that yeilds the most output power way well not be a current you like the sound of.
Feel free to PM me if you are interested in expanding your knowledge of tube amp function.
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Rick Davis
371 posts
May 04, 2010
3:36 AM
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There is a new video up on the Mission Harp Amps website: Ronnie Shellist taking a cool 1st position romp with the Mission Chicago amp. Click here.
By the way, this thread is generating a ton of referral hits on the Mission Harp Amps website. Email inquiries have been pouring in, particularly from players in Europe. Thanks!
UPDATE: My bad... Ronnie is playing 2nd position cross harp here. That caption belonged with a different vid.
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-Rick Davis
Blues Harp Amps Blog
Roadhouse Joe Blues Band
Last Edited by on May 05, 2010 8:16 AM
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Chinaski
79 posts
May 04, 2010
4:38 AM
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first position? you sure? :-)
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Ev630
344 posts
May 04, 2010
5:31 AM
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Glad to hear we've helped drum up some interest in the new amp for you, Rick!
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kudzurunner
1394 posts
May 04, 2010
5:40 AM
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@tmf: Welllll, you may be right. Or at least I'm pretty sure that I agree with you. At least two or three times a year for the past five years I've told my wife that the souped-up stock new 'Vettes are the best bang for the buck.
Still, I suspect it's possible to spend $40K on a used Ferrari in a way that would leave some sportscar enthusiasts feeling as though they were the richest guy in the world.
I found a late 70s Ferrari for sale for $20K in Memphis and actually called the guy to chat. When my wife found out, she said "No!" I quickly backed down--especially when I read everything on the web about that model, and about maintenance issues. (Hint: It's not buying the Ferrari that will bankrupt you; it's keeping the damned thing running.) I used that fit of temporary insanity as leverage to get her to let me buy my first (used) motorcycle.
There's a new Vette in my future.
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kudzurunner
1395 posts
May 04, 2010
5:44 AM
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Here's a 1990 Testarossa for $40,000. Buy it now. The guys in the Corvettes may pass you, but the gorgeous chick riding shotgun with you won't even notice them:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-Testarossa-/200466497026?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2eacbbfe02
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tmf714
96 posts
May 04, 2010
6:01 AM
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5F6H- Sorry -I meant wattage not voltage-if I need to expand my knowledge,I will call my friend Gary Onofrio,Scott Berbarian or John Kinder before I PM'ed you. Thanks for the offer anyway.
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Ev630
345 posts
May 04, 2010
6:40 AM
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Well now you know it's wattage instead of voltage, Thomas. You learn a lot on these forums.
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pharpo
267 posts
May 04, 2010
6:46 AM
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Yes.... you do learn a lot from these forums.....I have learned not to post something that will bring on four pages of chest pounding, leg pissing, all sorts of barbs and arrows.
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Music is your own experience, your own thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn. They teach you there's a boundary line to music. But, man, there's no boundary line to art. - Charlie Parker
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Ev630
346 posts
May 04, 2010
6:58 AM
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Well, it's good to see you've learned something, pharpo. Good also to see you actively stoking the flames.
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pharpo
269 posts
May 04, 2010
7:07 AM
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I am stoking nothing...no names were mentioned. No specific posts were alluded too....just general thoughts....Your post to me however was clearly meant to denegrate.
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Music is your own experience, your own thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn. They teach you there's a boundary line to music. But, man, there's no boundary line to art. - Charlie Parker
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5F6H
105 posts
May 04, 2010
7:35 AM
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ev630 "Well now you know it's wattage instead of voltage, Thomas. You learn a lot on these forums."
Whilst I suspected Thomas knew it was Watts, not volts, it isn't what he wrote...telepathy isn't my strong point...so I corrected him, I can only go by what I read. No "angle" is involved, no axe to grind, lots of folks read these threads, so keeping to the facts is purely my intent.
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pharpo
270 posts
May 04, 2010
7:45 AM
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@tmf714...I live up here in Central NY...Scotty is a friendy of mine as well. I see him at some of the local jams.....ALWAYS lets guys use one of his ass kickin amps !!...He is also a very funny guy.
Paul
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Music is your own experience, your own thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn. They teach you there's a boundary line to music. But, man, there's no boundary line to art. - Charlie Parker
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Harpaholic
58 posts
May 04, 2010
7:48 AM
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The Ronnie Shellist video is not a good example of great harp tone.
I can get better tone out of my buddie's Blues Jr.
Why does that video sound so much different than the others?
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Ev630
347 posts
May 04, 2010
8:13 AM
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pharpo, your post wasn't meant to identify you as standing above the herd? Then I apologize unconditionally.
Denigrate is a bit clinical. I had considered it more of a "goosing". But, as I say, I apologize unreservedly now you have clarified your intentions.
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HarpNinja
427 posts
May 04, 2010
8:22 AM
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I know tone is subjective and my needs are different that what this particular amp offers, but so far, Nic's vids are the only ones to really impress me.
That is not to say the amp isn't awesome, but maybe it does further the point that opinions about an amp are really, in the end, worthless unless it is your amp and you are playing it and it is your opinion about your sound.
Really, when on stage with a full band, that last 10-15% of "tone" from the amp is often impossible to hear, record, or sort out from the other instruments and we end up sounding *almost* identical from rig to rig when the type of mic stays consistent.
Other than maybe the level of distortion and where I've been in the mix, I've sounded pretty much the same with any rig with even mildly similar characteristics. I mean, I can always hear the difference from a class A amp with an 8" speaker and a 4x10 with 50w, but when comparing a Bassman and HG50, for example, the sonic "difference" can often be made almost negligible.
Point being - all the amps here are worth a shot and context of use is a huge factor.
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Ev630
348 posts
May 04, 2010
8:25 AM
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I think you're right, Mike. But those sonic differences are a lot easier to hear when playing with a band that has a lot more space. In a rock or loud blues context, I agree that the character of some big amps can get lost as it kicks into overdrive simply to cope with volume levels.
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congaron
862 posts
May 04, 2010
12:19 PM
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I still don't think the audience cares one way or the other. I made a train horn into the house vocal mic while a guy sang "Folsom Prison" and the crowd went nuts.
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pharpo
271 posts
May 04, 2010
1:09 PM
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Ev630- I'll admit that interpreting posts are a crapshoot at best. It's all good. I try not to "stand above the herd"...The higher you stand...the further you fall..LOL
Paul
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Music is your own experience, your own thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn. They teach you there's a boundary line to music. But, man, there's no boundary line to art. - Charlie Parker
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Ev630
350 posts
May 04, 2010
9:05 PM
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congaron, if it's all the same and nothing really matters, why even join a forum to discuss it?
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htownfess
65 posts
May 05, 2010
2:42 AM
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Ev630, you're not stopping to consider the danger we've so narrowly avoided. Imagine if there were nothing in this thread but facts, substantive discussion, informed opinions, illustrative videos, and such? Why, without the cushioning effect of pages and pages of boilerplate about how all boutique amps and sports cars are wunnerful and there's one for everybody and none of it matters anyway, my head would explode due to absorbing too much useful stuff too rapidly. Too, if I didn't have to wade through all the boilerplate, I would have way too much free time on my hands, and probably get into all kinds of trouble.
So it's better like this. It's all good. Nobody goes to a forum to actually learn anything, anyway--debate is about listening to yourself talk. Advancing the cause of knowledge through the spirit of inquiry may have its place, but doing it with people watching strikes me as positively indecent. Let's *not* go there, thank you very much.
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Chinaski
80 posts
May 05, 2010
3:16 AM
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Incoming!
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htownfess
66 posts
May 05, 2010
3:35 AM
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omg, you're right, I forgot something--
;-)
There. It's all OK now.
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Chinaski
81 posts
May 05, 2010
3:44 AM
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Well defused..
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Ev630
352 posts
May 05, 2010
3:53 AM
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Sorry, 'Fess - you're right. It's ALL good.
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6SN7
50 posts
May 05, 2010
5:36 AM
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The videos of the Chicago in action are, well, I would not buy one based on them. That's not snarky, that's just my opinion. The Ronnie Shellist vid is proof positive of my comment.
Bruce has written great stuff here and elsewhere regarding amps, you should continue to be the spokeman. With all do respect to Rick Davis, it seems that everything becomes about him. I know he will dispute that, but the "white hot" should be on the amp not the person. But, hey that's me.
I believe there is a place for this amp as it appears to be a unique offering. Hopefully it will go further than the Wezo. What ever happen to that amp?
Last Edited by on May 05, 2010 5:38 AM
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JDH
5 posts
May 05, 2010
6:24 AM
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Entertaining reading. I'd love to get in on this, Rick is one of my favorite targets, but I don't really care, got too many amps now.
Besides, my amp would kick your amps ass. JD
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Silvertone
10 posts
May 05, 2010
7:53 AM
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I just read this entire thread, altough there is some good imfo its'still a 1/2 hr of my life I'll never get back. Thanks.
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Nastyolddog
665 posts
May 05, 2010
8:32 AM
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10 min max
I just read this entire thread,
TELL SOMEONE WHO GIVES A FUCK!!!
although info
altough there is some good imfo
STOP FUCKING COMPLAINING THEN!!!
its'still a 1/2 hr of my life I'll never get back Thanks,
SO IT'S OUR FAULT YA CAN'T SPEED READ AND WHO SAID YOU HAD A LIFE ANYWAY PISSANT:)
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congaron
863 posts
May 05, 2010
11:33 AM
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"congaron, if it's all the same and nothing really matters, why even join a forum to discuss it?"
I think you've taken my comment a little differently than I intended it. I discuss plenty, and clearly some things matter. What matters to the audience concerns me more, that's all.
Why respond to me personally? I already said i'd get one if i could afford it. Those are my contributions to the discussion. No pot stirring intended.
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Blueharper
112 posts
May 05, 2010
4:54 PM
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Nasty, Are you off your meds? Chill!
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Nastyolddog
668 posts
May 05, 2010
7:59 PM
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Yo Blueharper cool man!!
it's just a Blow of remark to a Blow of remark,
Aussie style with a bit of USA influence thats the Pissant bit:)
1/2 Hr to read 4 pages man would you like this guy to read you a 10 page book,i bet he don't have many novels:)
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Ev630
358 posts
May 05, 2010
8:03 PM
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congaron, this struck me as an amusing comment:
"I made a train horn into the house vocal mic while a guy sang "Folsom Prison" and the crowd went nuts."
It was a personal story on your part which led me to respond to you. If that is meant to be too personal, then why get your horn noise stories out in public?
Don't answer that, I'm not really interested.
;)
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Mojokane
11 posts
May 06, 2010
12:04 AM
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Joe_L
241 posts
May 11, 2010
7:31 PM
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How distorted or overdriven is the Mission Chicago in comparison with other harp amps?
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Rick Davis
390 posts
May 12, 2010
11:31 AM
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Tmf714, since you insulted my playing there is a post at my Blues Harp Amps Blog from a few months ago that I think you might find meaningful. Click HERE.
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-Rick Davis
Blues Harp Amps Blog
Roadhouse Joe Blues Band
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Rick Davis
391 posts
May 12, 2010
11:34 AM
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Joe, that is hard to say. In the Cathode Biased mode is is slightly more crunchy with a more vintage compressed tone. The Fixed Bias setting is a bit cleaner, snappier.
All I can say is listen to the videos on the website. www.missionharpamps.com
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-Rick Davis
Blues Harp Amps Blog
Roadhouse Joe Blues Band
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htownfess
87 posts
May 12, 2010
12:58 PM
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What bias setting does Bruce like to use in each of the amp's modes, Rick? I prefer to use those SED main tubes for 6L6s in an old-school amp myself. People seem to take them for granted because they've been around for years, but to my ear they can sound noticeably warmer and richer than any other current-production 6L6 type I've tried yet, evoking something like old GEs without costing anywhere near as much.
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Mission Amps
5 posts
May 12, 2010
5:47 PM
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The fixed bias supply is adjustable in the Chicago.
In fixed bias, the power tubes are running around 11-13 watts per tube, (much cooler then what many players have read or think they should be and IMHO it sounds better cooler) and in cathode bias they are idling at around 18-19 watts per tube... more old school.
It does give you two different tonal aspects without the actual bias condition being the dominant tone shift in the amp.
I prefer the total sound with the amp running in cool fixed bias.
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Bruce
Mission Amps
soulkicker@missionamps.com
Last Edited by on May 12, 2010 5:48 PM
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toddlgreene
3628 posts
Apr 27, 2012
12:29 PM
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This one looks a good candidate from some 'necromancing'...Haven't heard much about the Mission aps in some time, and I have yet to see/hear/play one in person-but my curiosity is still piqued.
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Todd L. Greene
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5F6H
1175 posts
Apr 27, 2012
12:55 PM
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Bad Todd! Bad, bad Todd! :-)
Yeah let's see if we can hit 200 posts. ;-)
You could always buy one?
Bruce is a busy man, I'm sure that he is just hard at work, rather than trawling the forums.
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toddlgreene
3630 posts
Apr 27, 2012
1:07 PM
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"he is hard at work, rather than trawling the forums"
Bullseye-ya got me! ;-)
Nah, gonna be starting a new job soon, and i can hopefully realstically plan out a new amp purchase-and the Mission still remains as one I haven't laid my hands on. Perhaps I could have picked a thread that didn't re-visit World War 3.
But what fun would that be? It's Friday, after all.
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Todd L. Greene
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5F6H
1176 posts
Apr 27, 2012
1:16 PM
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Glad to hear about the new job.
Way-hay for Poets day! :-)
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www.myspace.com/markburness
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Willspear
170 posts
Apr 27, 2012
6:39 PM
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I got a bruce built 5e3 in a trade. It was a sweet guitar amp that I regret selling now that I try to exist in small rooms. there is so much gear I wish I held on to.
I have been interested in this amp but I'd love to see one played by someone whose opinion I find less subjective.
Trouble is the mini 15 meteor kicks ass. The big meteor is insane cranked straight in. The cruncher is pretty awesome. Harpgear stuff rocks. The hg 50 seems like the most effects happy big amp due to the clarity of it.
Vintage gear is Awesome and fixable
Stock fender gear is great. my bassman is still the amp I go back to every time.
I wish I could get all of them together in one spot with my effects rig and a a/b switcher to try them all in context. Otherwise buying amps is all a crapshoot.
I can't say with any confidence any amp I have played including several boutiques and a real 59 bassman have blown away my 90s bassman in any size room.. Which I might add cost like 500 bucks. I never got to try them head to head vs my gear.
I am not knocking anyone's amps as I know they all rock and are built better than a pcb fender. I am just waiting on the amp that blows me away to the point my bassman seems inferior. I have a feeling the hg 50 is the amp that would do it.
Problem is all these amps are better at something I want depending on the day. Each has short comings. The harpgear seems like the best effects platform in a boutique.
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MJ
412 posts
Apr 28, 2012
9:29 AM
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I have ordered and awaiting the 32-20 with 3x10s and a 50 watt PT and 35watt OT. I Will report when I get it.
Last Edited by on Apr 30, 2012 10:58 AM
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toddlgreene
3634 posts
Apr 30, 2012
9:13 AM
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MJ, yes, please do that. Audio/video would be a great plus as well. I like the idea of the 3x10s, a la late-50s Bandmaster.
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MJ
413 posts
Apr 30, 2012
11:39 AM
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Will do Todd. That Bandmaster looks pretty cool. There was one on ebay for 8 grand. There is a clone type one for 1600 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Keedy-Giza-3x10-5E7-circuit-Eminence-Legend-Alnico-incl-tweed-Bandmaster-cover-/270958232005?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f165e81c5
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