The Iceman
3469 posts
Feb 03, 2018
12:49 PM
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"rote compositions"
damn, Ted. Just couldn't resist that one parting shot, eh? :>)
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The Iceman
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ted burke
629 posts
Feb 03, 2018
3:01 PM
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Are you getting passive aggressive again Larry?
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harmonicanick
2557 posts
Feb 03, 2018
3:33 PM
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Quite frankly Ted your insulting remark that Mayall has only a tentative command of blues basics & is a 'dabbler,' warrant no further comment and I refer you to 1847's post
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groyster1
3082 posts
Feb 03, 2018
7:22 PM
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mayall still rocks!!!!!dont give a shit what all you think......yes there are far better harp players than john......what a condescending self righteous bunch you are.......
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ted burke
631 posts
Feb 03, 2018
8:15 PM
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Nick Hannah, I'm sorry you're sore because I gave an honest estimation of Mayall. Obviously my views won't change and that I won't be getting a Christmas from you. I wish you well and nothing but good blues.
groyster1: You remarked that we don't seem to talk about Mayall much here. You received a variety of responses,some critical of his musicianship, others supportive. It is a discussion forum, after all. Opinions will vary.
"....what a condescending self righteous bunch you are......."
That was entirely uncalled for.
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Last Edited by ted burke on Feb 03, 2018 8:27 PM
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Goldbrick
1907 posts
Feb 03, 2018
8:51 PM
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I believe that was groyster's honest estimation of some of the commentary on the subject.
It's possible to not dig a man's music without the snark and venom and dismissal of a career spent playing the blues
It shouldnt be a surprise when someone pisses in your cornflakes.
Just let it ride
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SuperBee
5237 posts
Feb 03, 2018
9:07 PM
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Are you ok George?
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BnT
138 posts
Feb 03, 2018
10:37 PM
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groyster1 - Looks like you got a lot of people to discuss Mayall, so he has now had his day on the harp forum.
Ted - Looks like you illuminated why harp players don't usually discuss Mayall on the harp forum.
Congratulations to all!
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The Iceman
3470 posts
Feb 04, 2018
2:36 AM
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I point out that Mr. Burke can't resist his parting "shots" - a direct comment, and he responds by posting "Are you getting passive aggressive again Larry?"
To answer your question, Mr. Burke - No. I am not getting passive aggressive again. It was a statement of opinion.
Mr. Burke - maybe you enjoy "stirring the pot" at this late date, but I believe more posters here are realizing that your negative comments also include that last little portion of pompous and are calling you out.
Seems like some can dish it out but don't enjoy "taking it".
Please, Mr. Burke, don't feel this is a challenge to "last comment itus" and escalate...just enjoy the criticism of your postings.... as much as Mr. Mayall would most likely enjoy yours ...
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The Iceman
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kudzurunner
6417 posts
Feb 04, 2018
5:55 AM
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Ted's response to my two posts strikes me a forceful, informed, civil, and not at all pompous. It's clear that Mayall is a sacred cow for some here. Please avoid personal criticism of, much less attacks on, other forum members, since that's out of line with the forum creed. Pompousness, btw, is not out of line with the forum creed. Calling somebody out for what you BELIEVE is pompousness, or idiocy, or bad parenting, or lack of potty training, IS out of line with the forum creed.
Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter.
Best regards,
Adam G.
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kudzurunner
6418 posts
Feb 04, 2018
5:59 AM
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I think what got some people upset is Ted's claim that Mayall "is hardly a musician at all." I disagree strongly with that--although I've never been particularly grabbed by his sound on harmonica. The best response from people who disagree with Ted is to find clips and tracks that extemplify Mayall's musiciansship, and/or to make a claim about his musicianship that doesn't just depend on his own harmonica and guitar playing and singing, but on his songwriting and arranging and his larger and evolving vision for what a blues band can be. I suspect that many of those who have played in his bands over the years would disagree with Ted's opinion.
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The Iceman
3471 posts
Feb 04, 2018
6:51 AM
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Mr. Gussow...
"Ted's response to my two posts strikes me a forceful, informed, civil, and not at all pompous."
Is it possible that some are responding to posts other than just his responses to your two?.....
I'm trying to readjust my understanding of the forum creed (having in the past been guilty of breaking it), so am I correct in understanding that pompousness is allowed here, but to suggest that a comment feels pompous is not?
The Iceman
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digitalshrub
56 posts
Feb 04, 2018
7:32 AM
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I’d also recommend (to myself as well) to pick up a harp and practice instead of furthering this thread.
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Honkin On Bobo
1503 posts
Feb 05, 2018
12:24 PM
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Maybe someone should get in touch with Mayall and get him signed up on this forum. Then, apparently, he'd be protected from the hack job masquerading as criticism being offered by certain members of the forum. Oh, the irony, huh? Then again I'm pretty sure Mayall's response would be Modern Blues Harmonica what? Huh? Who?
Yeah Iceman, you got it right. You can be a pompous ass all you want. Just so long the object of your pomposity is not a member of this forum (whatever other credentials they may have not withstanding), if they are, its hands off, including making note of their pompousness.
It's a trip, ain't it?
Last Edited by Honkin On Bobo on Feb 05, 2018 12:53 PM
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ted burke
635 posts
Feb 05, 2018
4:38 PM
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Feel free to talk to me directly, HOB. If you've something to say to me, get it off your chest and write me at tburke4@san.rr.com.
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1847
4684 posts
Feb 05, 2018
4:51 PM
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i love rock n roll, put another dime in the juke box baby, i love rock n roll, put another dime in and dance with me....
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Bass410man
165 posts
Feb 05, 2018
6:15 PM
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As far as John Mayall. No he’s not the best harp player, is he good. Well he managed to make a living at it for sixty years or however long it’s been, and help a lot of other people make a living at it too. So yea he is good, good enough to do something he loves doing longer than most of us have been alive. I am sure there’s are quite a few of us even if we could play a harp 10 better than him, we still couldn’t do what he has done, not even close. I see no need to run the man down, and to say he’s not a musician is just stupidity.
As far as the other part of this thread. It’s sort of a “do as I say, not as I do. There are different rules for different people.
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CarlA
897 posts
Feb 05, 2018
8:51 PM
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I firmly believe that John Mayall taught Little Walter everything he knew, so for that I think that we should all be humbled by Mayall for directly giving us the patron saint of harmonica that is Little Walter. Mayall is the father of all that is good and wholesome in our provincial little world of the 10 hole reed instrument.
May we all take a moment of silence to pay tribute to the legend behind THE LEGEND of harmonica.
..........
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nacoran
9735 posts
Feb 05, 2018
10:59 PM
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Honkin, your clearly crossing the line in multiple posts. Ted is commenting on Mayall's playing. You are commenting on Ted. As for the magic power of forum membership, well, that's a measure to keep the peace. We don't eat our own.
Ted, I don't think Iceman's comment about taking a parting shot warranted your response. It may have been line adjacent, but not across the line. Your next comment, however was across the line, and things went downhill all around from there.
Everyone take a breath. It's okay to hate someone else's music. It's even okay to hate someone else. On this forum though, expressing the first one is allowed. Expressing the second one is going to get you a time out. Honkin, you are really, really close to getting a time out. Ice, Ted, as a personal favor, I'm asking you two to let it go. I got shit going on right now that is stressing me out and I don't need this on top of that. Play nice.
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Honkin On Bobo
1504 posts
Feb 06, 2018
6:04 AM
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I wouldn't waste 5 seconds private messaging you and your Greil Marcus wanna be routine, Ted. You'd have to have something interesting to say for me to want to do that.
I'm crossing the line and seriously close to a time out? You gotta be kidding. I'll save you the trouble Nate, I'm done. Time in, time out. Watch what you say to certain people but not others. Don't eat your own, but flame whoever you want..well as long as they're not a member of the forum, or someone respected by those in charge. Don't make a joke about Popper, but say Mayall is barely a musician? No problem. Seriously, the arbitrary, capricious and gigantically hypocrticial way the forum rules are enforced these days is a joke. It ain't worth it anymore.
Suspend me, time out me .........or not. Hell, erase any evidence I ever existed on this forum for that matter. Either way, I couldn't care less.
HOB (somewhere circa 2008) - 2018
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groyster1
3083 posts
Feb 06, 2018
6:15 AM
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what upset me was that I must be many kinds of fool to post anything about mayall since hes crappy harp player and barely a musician.....its okay that some dont like him but obviously many here do.....better harp players?of course there is.....but mayall must have been doing something right over 50 years
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1847
4685 posts
Feb 06, 2018
7:33 AM
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little walter wouldn't last a new york minute around here. i 'm sure they would welcome him with open arms over at the real blues forum.
Last Edited by 1847 on Feb 06, 2018 7:34 AM
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groyster1
3084 posts
Feb 06, 2018
7:37 AM
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@1847
"little walter would not last here"well dont think he would care at all and he would tell the dissing to eff off!!!!!mayall would surely do the same
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groyster1
3085 posts
Feb 06, 2018
7:40 AM
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furthermore.....Ive been dissed on this forum before.....first about barbq bobs advice of using low breath force and also calling canned heat legendary blues band.....yes if they dont like your post then youre a fool
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1847
4686 posts
Feb 06, 2018
7:46 AM
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john mayall played piano on the canned heat version of walking by my self.
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The Iceman
3476 posts
Feb 06, 2018
7:51 AM
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Honkin' - IMO, you did somewhat complain about "certain members on this forum", but didn't mention anyone by name.
I don't see any direct evidence that you commented on any one in particular, but did express your opinionated concern about how forum rules are interpreted....as a matter of fact, I'm still awaiting the answer to my somewhat existential dilemma question...."am I correct in understanding that pompousness is allowed here, but to suggest that a comment feels pompous is not?"
So, I hope everyone cools down and realizes that a bit more clarity about these issues would be nice and that you'll stick around, as I've enjoyed your input here.
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Jaybird803
42 posts
Feb 06, 2018
7:56 AM
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The last ime I listened to one of Teds hit albums or went to one of his sold out concerts I felt he held his own with the likes of Clapton and others in his band. Wait, no, that never happened. Never mind.
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groyster1
3086 posts
Feb 06, 2018
8:12 AM
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ted????ted nugent?????
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groyster1
3087 posts
Feb 06, 2018
8:16 AM
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o yeah ted burke
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dougharps
1715 posts
Feb 06, 2018
8:23 AM
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This thread is no longer productive in exchanging ideas useful in studying modern blues harmonica.
It is not productive in thought and is destructive in intent.
For the benefit of the forum,
PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD!
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Doug S.
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kudzurunner
6419 posts
Feb 06, 2018
8:51 AM
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Nacoran tried to cool things down, but some people don't know how to play.
I agree: the thread has ended its effective use-interval. Locked.
And yes, Larry, you are correct. Pompousness is allowed, although not encouraged, here. What is not allowed are personal attacks: criticisms that impugn the character of another forum member. I'm not sure why this particular rule is so hard for so many people to understand. We are allowed to voice very strong, forceful opinions, including negative opinions about anything and everything blues harmonica. (Your heroes may not be my heroes; your sacred cows may not be my sacred cows.) We are NOT allowed to voice very strong and forceful negative opinions about other forum members.
Here's the relevant rule, entitled CIVILITY:
"Civility is the governing virtue of this forum. Please contribute in a spirit of civility. Vigorous, passionate conversation is fine. Disagree emphatically, if you wish, with the opinions others express here. But do not flame, insult, or otherwise impugn the looks, parentage, intelligence, or talents of your fellow board members, and do not start threads that seek to encourage that sort of behavior. You are not required to like everybody here. But you are required to remain civil towards them if you wish to remain a member of this forum."
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