Harp2swing
135 posts
Jul 03, 2014
7:09 PM
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Getting rid of the band one by one.
http://mybeatbuddy.com/
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isaacullah
2844 posts
Jul 04, 2014
7:49 AM
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That looks great! Ive been considering buying one of those Alexis percpads, which allows both a drum loop and live playing of the pads (and even can take a pedal trigger for the bass drum parts). Lots of great options out there these days!
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nacoran
7855 posts
Jul 05, 2014
11:42 AM
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Isaac, that's when I get in trouble. I'm fine when there is one or two choices, but when there are more, I freeze up and don't end up buying anything. :(
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Greg Heumann
2765 posts
Jul 05, 2014
2:20 PM
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DRUM MACHINES HAVE NO SOUL
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boris_plotnikov
978 posts
Jul 05, 2014
3:22 PM
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Drum machine is a tool and instrument. Sometimes it can give a certain feel
I think this our song will not sound as good without drum machine
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Greg Heumann
2766 posts
Jul 05, 2014
3:47 PM
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I think it sounds great, Boris. I think it would sound better with a real drummer - especially if live. And the drummer adds performance value. He ALSO takes a portion of the paycheck. I understand economics too!
Drum machine vs no drummer? That's a different call.
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Harp2swing
137 posts
Jul 05, 2014
4:02 PM
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If I had my "druthers" I'd rather have the real thing. Real you can fly,pedal you're pretty much grounded, metronomically speaking.
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Komuso
329 posts
Jul 06, 2014
6:20 AM
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I think Boris's robo drummer works great. Suits the style.
I did a couple of gigs recently with a Zoom RT223 (which does bass and drums) because the budget didn't allow for a drummer. It's a simple unit, relatively cheap, has great samples, great FX and some good basic patterns you can add to. Has a few limitations but all drum machines do currently imo.
First one I did solo (it was only one set anyway along with another duo), but second I did with a bass player and just muted the RT223 bass.
Here's one track from that gig, which was a 4th of July restaurant party so we're just providing eat/drink/talk background music not doing a stage performance per se. Muddy recording as the recorder was almost sitting over the bass between the PA speakers (you can see it just behind my head on the left) - not ideal but it's just a debrief recording.
You can see the RT223 in front of me on the music stand, easy to change settings for songs. Control by foot pedal when playing.
Works fine, better than without a drummer if the songs are structured for a beat.
That said, 2nd set of second gig it locked up on me (which turns out was a brain fart on my part) so we just jammed without it - fortunately he's also good at percussive style grooves. No one really noticed, and it was a great jam that gave me a few new ideas.
The beatbuddy sounds good but honestly the video gave me major playability issues. Having to press each time for the fill plus the various other combinations sounds easy but I'm already playing rack harp and guitar FX units so it felt like overload to me. I can just handle the RT223 at the moment under live pressure, and it's pretty much a one stomp on the pedal to change/stop unit (has a song and a pattern mode). Things I liked are the programming flexibility, seems quite good.
The RT223 actually already does quite a few of the functions that BeatBuddy does, with much simpler control. All you need is a simple foot pedal to plug into the control. RT223 also has very good FX, something that the BeatBuddy looks like it lacks. Makes a huge difference to the sound, even with good samples. Its weak point is the programming, as it only has midi in for triggering. You can record midi loops into it
but takes some practice to get the record triggering right so it then plays back seamlessly. It's been out a while now so I hope Zoom is working on an upgrade.
Even better than both those, however, is Jamstix which I've been using for a few years now with a midi controller to play online.
Jamstix actually recomposes fills, accents, and endings on the fly so it never plays the same loops.
With a simple midi controller setup you have one button press to change to another part - verse, chorus, bridge, verse B, chorus B whatever - all playing differently each time.
It's also reactive to input dynamics so scales volume, dynamics, and complexity in reaction to your playing input volume - which is also highly configurable.
Of course, to use it currently you'd have to run it from a PC or Mac laptop to the mixer, but that's not a big deal now days as laptops are a common stage equipment piece - at least outside of trad music genres anyway.
I think I'll try using it at the next gig with just the bass player, setup time is only a little more.
I'd love to use a live drummer as a trio but the gig has to pay for it plus has to be the "right" drummer too...hard to find.
Good to have backups, but I'd use a bass player first with a drum machine rather than do it as a duo with just a drummer.
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Komuso
330 posts
Jul 06, 2014
7:40 AM
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Hey Boris,
Can you explain a little more the effects you're using and what you're doing with the digital harp scratching effect on that tune? Wicked sound!
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nacoran
7856 posts
Jul 06, 2014
2:33 PM
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It's not even sharing a percentage with drummers, (50% of 0 is still zero) it's that drummers have cooties.
Or crazies, or something. I've never met a drummer that was reliable. My friends found out there drummer, who was behind on his share for the practice space, was actually living in the practice space. Ex-lead singer? Drummer. Guy I tried to teach harp who flaked out and thought his harps gave him thrush (he was on a steroid know to give you thrush)- drummer.
I try not to have prejudices, but man, drummers are crazy.
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boris_plotnikov
980 posts
Jul 07, 2014
12:38 AM
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Komuso
Thanks! It's line6 POD HD desktop version. It's Pitch Glide effect 2 octave down, associated with TWEAK knob.
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Komuso
337 posts
Jul 07, 2014
12:50 AM
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Great, ty. Will see if I can approximate something like it on the G3.
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Libertad
265 posts
Jul 07, 2014
1:24 AM
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"DRUM MACHINES HAVE NO SOUL
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Are you suggesting Drummers do? LOL
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uncle_tambour
2 posts
Jul 07, 2014
6:03 PM
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Not only do I know the guys who made this, I'm really dear friends with one of 'em. They let me borrow one of the Beat Buddies a while ago and I fell in love with it.
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