Frank
3567 posts
Dec 27, 2013
5:47 PM
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How many here feel that a creating a really nice harmonica with no reeds would sell? It could be played anywhere, anytime - on the bus on a plane, walking to school, standing in line at the store... If yes, I will concider starting a kick starter campaign. Any designs that you would like to share would be great or any suggestions? Thanks, :)
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BuckyB
2 posts
Dec 27, 2013
6:01 PM
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Good luck with that.
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Frank
3568 posts
Dec 27, 2013
6:05 PM
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Thanks Bucky, for the vote of confidence - I'll check my tip jar :)
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markdc70
139 posts
Dec 27, 2013
7:17 PM
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Disassemble any harmonica, remove the reedplates, reassemble. No kickstarter campaign required. (Are you really serious???)
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nacoran
7442 posts
Dec 27, 2013
8:13 PM
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"It's like an electronic harmonica where you can play — sax, drums, flute, electric guitar & more — a totally new way to jam!"
http://www.jamboxx.com/
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sonny3
101 posts
Dec 27, 2013
8:30 PM
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Thank you sir! This will save me from plinking.
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SteamrollinStan
112 posts
Dec 27, 2013
8:39 PM
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Its not gonna play?.....maybe Silent Night, but thats it.
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Barley Nectar
225 posts
Dec 27, 2013
8:57 PM
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Hey, I could buy a set for the Jam Killer. Price is no object...BN
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Jehosaphat
637 posts
Dec 27, 2013
8:59 PM
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I think it could be the perfect harmonica.
John Cage would of loved it
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harpfox
20 posts
Dec 27, 2013
11:50 PM
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Maybe an electric harmonica with a headphone jack or something...thing is its really tough to pin point certain microtonal expressions that only vibrating reeds give...also, how would you you bend notes?...maybe an electric harmonica thats smart enough can recognize different
air pressure and you cud change harp keys by the click of a button..
Maybe a 3D printed harmonica? Open source harmonica project?
Read brendan powers article 'the game is changing'
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Frank
3569 posts
Dec 28, 2013
5:50 AM
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markdc...I'm not sure it is that easy of a concept - just removing the plates, that is just to easy...
The way you describe it anyone could do it - I'm looking to sell a "product" that players want and more importantly need.
I know my vision can be scoffed at, but the potential for its success is there - if care is taken to develop the "reedless harp" with the consumer in mind.
Your suggestion is appreciated - and could work I suppose - but hopefully not as good as the one I want to build from the ground up.
Thanks for everyone who contributed to trying to help so far...
One Ideal that I am currently testing out is making the reedless harmonica out of food, and after your finished envisioning practicing your songs, scales, whatever...you can eat the harmonica.
The skies the limit really and in America some of the most trivial things have become huge money makers.
I hope your all as excited as I am about this ground breaking project and if you jump into the trenches with me, you too may end up being a part of something special - "think big" like a harp made out of bubble gum, I threw that gum ideal out there as a free teaser to prove the big opportunities that are awaiting those of us with the vision to become millionaires :)
And if your are presently not able to contribute to the kick starter, you can offer your help Pro bono, everything will be tax deductible according to my Lawyer, thank you!
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Oisin
1060 posts
Dec 28, 2013
8:35 AM
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Frank...do you live in one of your more enlightened states which have legalised cannabis? If so I could see a market for the edible harmonica idea....make them from something containing some active ingredient but taste nice. Go one step further and cover a real harmonica in something edible but that would still let you play it....I'm thinking hemp boiled sweet type thing...but with a removable plastic cover on the coverplates to stop your hands getting sticky.
I'd buy a box of those...even without the harp inside.
You can have that one for free!!
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Frank
3572 posts
Dec 28, 2013
9:38 AM
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Oi-sin...Now we're gettin somewhere, another piece to the puzzle...You are on to something for sure and I will give you "stock options" once this reedless harmonica enterprise explodes and takes off into the 21 century.
I've considered markdc's concerns and they are legitimate...But I intend to keep the reedplates in tact, no reeds attached though - that is the ingeniousness of it. Who, wants to take all the reeds off their harp themselves - that's were I come in and have a product that has already done this for them.
Please keep the ideals flowing - we are getting closer and closer to eureka with each ideal and suggestion :)
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Grey Owl
432 posts
Dec 28, 2013
9:47 AM
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Hows about an ice harp. Design a harp shaped ice tray mould. Pour in some water add a little colour, bung it in the freezer, take it out and play...blow, draw, lick, suck, slurp until it melts then grab another from the freezer. Go for the Smurf colour if you want to do a Blues Lick.
I'm expecting a percentage of the royalties Frank ;)
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Oisin
1061 posts
Dec 28, 2013
10:15 AM
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vodka jellies Grey Owl?. I think an intoxicant is vital if this project is ever going to take off. Suck a shot out of each hole?
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Grey Owl
433 posts
Dec 28, 2013
10:35 AM
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Shounds goood to mee Oison, I'm alweady working on it. hic.
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Frank
3574 posts
Dec 28, 2013
12:14 PM
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Okay boys, I need to steer this ship back into the harbor - your simply getting way to silly and carried away here - And Owl, just flat out asking for royalties is outrageous - where's the manners.
Okay, lets get serious for a moment...Here is the game plan and method to all the madness.
This new reedless design is to help players practice the harp more efficiently and with greater focus.
Once a player Masters the reedless harp - they send it back to me and for a small fee I put one reed in the first blow hole...send it back to them and again they master just that one reed.
And even if no note is produced using just one reed- there are other more important things happening to progress their musicianship.
Then when they are ready, they mail the harp back to me, and for a fee of course, I add a second reed to the draw plate of the one hole...
Here is when the magic begins - I will not add anymore reeds to the harp until they Master using the notes in hole One- they have already Mastered the other 9 reedless holes so they can continue to use them as needed.
I've spilled enough beans for now - So, what do you all think, come and get in on this ground floor invention and help me build it into a mighty empire, thank-you... as always, suggestions and all input is greatly appreciated :)
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Oisin
1062 posts
Dec 28, 2013
12:29 PM
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I have re-read you post Frank and I can't see anywhere in your process where either vodka or cannabis are incorporated or even, in fact, mentioned.
This is disappointing. I may have to re-think my rash promise above to buy a box of them, unless of course your are indeed, in the future, considering adding either of these ingredients to the package. I await with interest the progress of your project and whether or not a revisit to this "department" of the whole reedless harp phenomenon will occur.
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WinslowYerxa
469 posts
Dec 28, 2013
12:39 PM
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Reedless accordions have been around for a few years now; Roland makes several different models. The same technology might be adaptable to harmonicas. Ron Schille made an attempt at this about 20 years ago but didn't have enough funds to see the product through to completion
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Frank
3576 posts
Dec 28, 2013
12:59 PM
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There you go folks, an official endorsment of my proto-type by Master Harmonica Guru Winslow Yerxa - or am I reading more into that then is there?
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WinslowYerxa
473 posts
Dec 28, 2013
1:32 PM
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Well, I'm saying that the technology exists. I once asked an advanced accordionist about whether using a virtual accordion was a good idea for learning on and she replied that a real instrument is always the best as it can deliver the most nuance in response to your actions. She liked to use the virtual accordion as a MIDI controller but otherwise did not recommend it. (The player is Cathie Travers from Australia; she has several performances up on YouTube.)
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colman
288 posts
Dec 28, 2013
2:29 PM
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It will be a digital kazoo,that you would have to sing in proper pitch and it can reproduce any instrument tone and more,i would have it do Ray Charles !!!
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Aussiesucker
1363 posts
Dec 29, 2013
1:56 PM
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Air guitar is big time so why not?
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markdc70
141 posts
Dec 29, 2013
2:51 PM
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Let me be the first to fill an expectant hole in the marketplace by offering total customization of all reedless harmonicas in the future. All overblows and overdraws are guaranteed to not squeal. I'm thinking $100 and you provide the harmonica.
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Barley Nectar
227 posts
Dec 29, 2013
6:03 PM
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Hmm, OK, I'll build er uh unbuild one. I'll put it in a presentation case and present it to the Jam Killer at my next encounter. "JK, I have designed this harmonica just for you".......LOL
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Frank
3590 posts
Dec 30, 2013
8:40 AM
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Some extremely useful suggestions, insights and just darn good ole plain creativity by you good folk...
I am thinking seriously about debuting the reedless harmonica while busking and hope to do a few club dates too once word starts spreading about the guy playing a harmonica that is soundless yet musically entertaining in a strange new kind of magical way
And finally a local TV show once people get used to not hearing any music as it's played, but have learned to feel the silence as rhythmically as they care to imagine -
its all a bit new I know, but with this thread and the continued support of players like yourselves - we are slowly picking up steam.
The product itself :the reedless harp: is showing potential - thanks to all of you who have taken an interest in its PR,
so please continue to help with the development of this breath taking new design and it wondrous promise to help musicians worldwide who have felt left behind by technology and such :)
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Grey Owl
437 posts
Dec 30, 2013
9:19 AM
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Reedless harmonica that is soundless...
Already lots of interest around here especially my wife, my cats, and my next door neighbour.
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Frank
3592 posts
Dec 30, 2013
9:36 AM
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You nailed another very important piece to the proverbial puzzle - It really is a product that has the potential to reach markets like no other musical instrument ever could and that is precisely because of its ability to be musical through absolute silence - and like you mentioned that is something wanted and needed by many people. I'm even targeting pet stores now that you mentioned it - Your "royalties have been duely earned - thank you owl :)
The main selling point though is the science behind the rhythm that is incorporated into the reedless holes, I now it's getting more complicated as the veil is lifted but trust me, there will be a little slip of paper explaining how this all is accomplished :)
And its great to see that markdc has come around and joined the team, that seems like a fair price to fix these state of the art harps and I'm sure you'll be kept very busy...
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barbequebob
2421 posts
Dec 30, 2013
10:43 AM
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Actually, the Chinese several centuries earlier invented what's now known as the glass harmonica which never had any reeds.
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Frank
3594 posts
Dec 30, 2013
11:44 AM
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I was going to have some chinese parts made for the reedless harp but decided to go strictly and totally "Made In America"...
I am going to use a special type of blown glass in certain parts the comb which is part of the secret patent and also gives the ring of the non-sound it's distinction and creates an almost indestructible product - if it's not abused and handled according to the instructions provided .)
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Oisin
1063 posts
Dec 30, 2013
2:06 PM
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A special type of blown glass Frank.? You're talking about hash pipe, incorporated into the comb....I knew it was too good an angle to miss out on. You old devil Frank
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nacoran
7448 posts
Dec 30, 2013
4:05 PM
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Winslow, have you seen the Jamboxx? They seem to be monetizing it by combining it with a SIPS controller for the disabled. They get two markets for the price of one. I keep meaning to go see one played. Part of their operation is local to me, but they manage to schedule for the only times my usually open schedule allows.
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Frank
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Dec 30, 2013
4:45 PM
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jamboxx is cool as heck Nate, but thank goodness - it don't look like competition for my new harp...
Oisin - well, since you've been pushin me, I may as well let the dog out the bag and and reveal here on MBH that yes, there will be prototypes of reedless harp paraphernalia for all you stoners out there who find the need to indulge in that sort of activity - so look for them at your local head shop... happy reedless harpin :)
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nacoran
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On a slight tangent, I always thought it would be cool to have a Swiss army knife that looked like a harmonica, or maybe just a tool kit, since a knife disguised as something else can sometimes run afoul of local law enforcement. Maybe a harmonica tool kit hidden inside a fake harmonica?
Or a MP3 player harmonica?
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WinslowYerxa
479 posts
Dec 31, 2013
3:26 PM
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Hohner has a thumb drive that looks like a Vest Pocket harp.
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nacoran
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Dec 31, 2013
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I've seen that! The problem with techno-gadgets is they become obsolete fairly easily. Thumb drives will probably be around a while, but they will keep getting bigger storage capacities. It would be nice if one of the manufacturers would come up with a 'standard' exchangeable model that would make it easy to swap out for a higher capacity drive a couple years down the line- more of a USB case than a USB drive.
There used to be fake switchblades that had a pop out comb instead of a knife, but looking around at the pictures of our members there might not be much market for anything bigger than a pop out goatee comb (a few notables like Adam aside!) That said, for those of us with facial hair, sometimes some whisker grooming is exactly what we need before starting to play. :)
Frank- in the interest of exhausting the subject, there is an app for iPhone that lets you play your iPhone like a harmonica, and I have, on a couple occasions, considered taking out the reeds on a harp for 'practicing' in places where you have to be quiet. If you've got the muscle memory down you 'hear' the note in your head and do get some value out of it. I've also considered trying to make novelty chocolate harmonicas, but I was afraid someone would swallow the magnets from my magnetic lids! (Hmm, I do come up with some strange ideas.)
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Frank
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Dec 31, 2013
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You guys have proven... are proving, that the sky's the limit - and no limit even exists, other than our own limitations.
Everything is possible if it isn't impossible to do, or at least try, cause if you don't try then it is impossible and you might as well quit and stop dreaming.
Really, what’s the point if your dreams are filtered through indifference and an attitude of failure.
Nate...this subject will never be exhausted or lack significant relevancy.
The more the merrier, with more believers catching the wave of creation and innovation- one day at a time...
These things are not for the select few, but for all you strive to see the fruition of great ideals and inspiration bloom into greatness and mass consumption :)
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Aussiesucker
1365 posts
Dec 31, 2013
8:37 PM
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Here it is. Turn up the volume and play along with me.Its in Bb spiral tuning.
I will be really pissed off if this video gets more hits on youtube than my others!
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Skip ahead to 21:24
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Aussiesucker
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The response to my video of the reedless harmonica is without precedent. I have been inundated with enquiries from partners who gave loved ones a harmonica for Christmas and who are annoyed with how it sounds and want it converted to a 2014 model reedless.
Although I cannot claim credit for the invention as I understand this is Franks idea, I am thinking of calling my model the 2014 Ex – Reed. Hope no body minds? I say with my model be seen & not heard (good slogan).
The major benefits of the 2014 model No-Reed are:-
1) Only one harmonica needed for all keys, positions and modes.
2) All bends easily executable
3) All overblows are there
4) Learn to play it in minutes
5) Play anytime anywhere.
6) Others can easily and undisturbed play along with you.
7) Other band members will love you and be able to accompany you on solos.
8) Most suited to Blues but also possible to play Rock, Country, Folk etc.
9) Not suited for Classics & Jazz but don’t worry as we offer a chromatic Ex- Reed at a very expensive price.
10) As an introductory offer we are giving away instructions on “How to Compose Your Own Tunes” & “ How to Play an Air Guitar” . In the package we are including a neck rack. We suggest if you want to be heard you must organise your own singing lessons.
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nacoran
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Jan 01, 2014
1:53 PM
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Aussie, I think you've found a genre! Here is your contemporary... although you've got a leg up, since he just lip syncs.
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Aussiesucker
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nacoran> Nate, you are not taking this serious enough. Inventions like Franks need time & help to get a strong foothold. There are thousands of people incl musicians who would welcome such an invention. The nudity only came about because this past week our State is copping in excess of 40c & up to 48c on one day (ie 118F) so wearing of clothing is not an option. I apologise to all those who may have thought my video as far too sexy!
This is a very serious invention and I am seeking investors so I can go into production in order to satisfy the massive backlog of orders. Huge interest has come from organisers of jams who want to see the No-Reed become the only acceptable harmonica in use. Also the Bluegrass association said such an instrument stands a real good chance of being accepted by them.
And for anyone eager to invest we have a great saying in Oz...."Come in Spinner"!
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Frank
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Jan 01, 2014
6:01 PM
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Well, I'm blushing an honored that Mr.Sucker has jumped into the fire and ain't afraid to stir up the coals...
These are very exciting times and AussieS. is a BIG reason this company has almost tripled in size in less then a weeks time...I have already been bombarded by nudist colonies from around the globe with orders for the reedless harps and they are all going to be specially made in honor of AussieSucker and will called "bareass harps" - there is enough business to go around so I am thrilled Mr. Sucker has started his own line of reedless harps, it's a beautiful thing :)
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Aussiesucker
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Jan 01, 2014
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Aw Frank this is truly getting out of hand as enquiries are flooding in from all corners of the world. My design team is flat out (fast asleep) but is working on a signature series. We need to contain and build momentum & I feel the best way is to get some hot shot young players and sign them up for exclusive sponsorship. We don't want any old player(like me) endorsing such a technologically advanced harp.
PS. the signature series has been rejected as being unsafe and is being replaced with a pin series. Another minor hurdle having a keypad although a new Android app will do it all wirelessly. It has been a humbling experience but someone referred to us as geniuses & Frank both you & I have got to agree with them. Nobel Peace Prize (Peace & Quiet LOL)
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nacoran
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Jan 01, 2014
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Hmm, I just thought of a marketing angle! No reeds... is it possible that the harp could be made out of one piece of plastic or wood? I suspect the smooth design would be wonderful for preserving mustache hair, or if it really catches on in nudist colonies, pocket hair as well!
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Well Nate, we here at "No Reeds Enterprises" are very proud of our reputation of always being one step ahead of what the public wants, needs or thinks it can't live without...
So your idea has come an gone, but since you inadvertently broke wind of this new design we are going on a full fledged marketing campaign and the NEW (beginners series) of reed less harps are being stocked at Amazon warehouses around the world as well as all the Major music stores including those in Japan, China, India to name a few of the foreign Markets we have conquered with our fascinating new reed less line of soundless harmonicas.
Currently we are offering two beginners models, one made out of exquisite broom handles, which can be cut to a preferred length for an extra fee - though the mark up for this service is quite exceptional - customization is always treated with the utmost care and the mark up in price merely mirrors this fact.
The plastic model of reed less harps are going to be cut from the finest hoola- hoops we can find and the ends will be polished were the cuts were made… and that customization adds to the price, but is well worth it.... If you do want the cheaper model this can be arranged for a small fee.
From the bottom of my heart, congratulations on your recent status of becoming a Billionaire Mr. Sucker. You earned it and should be extremely proud of your contributions to the Harmonica Family at large. I will be flying to Australia in my New Jet Air Plane and will personally take you to an International Secret Committee in an undisclosed location to discuss how our Reed Less Products can contribute to World Peace and possibly end Poverty in the next 3 to 5 years.
The Peace prizes, the Noble Prizes are all good and flattering - But when I got the call to give a speech on the "TED" net work I was floored - my Mom would be proud...Oh and congratulations Aussie on your securing the "headline" slot for the next 20 SPAHS in a row through 2034.
You will surely blow them away with you're your charming humor and vast knowledge of Commercialization, the Power of Pure Capitalistic Adventures and how it all inter-relates to the phenomenal surge in sales and curiosity of the Reed Less harp craze....
Oh, and I can’t forget to mention the virtuoso playing that you displayed in your video is an absolute treasure - thank you for all you do and don't forget the little people as your fame and fortune increases each and every second of the day :)
And a sincere thank you to those contributing the funny and entertaining videos and such to add to the conservation - without you the reed less empire will fall under its own weight - so please continue to add your skills and depth of selective insanity, and I promise all this will make perfect sense when you need it the most :)
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Fuzzball
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I read this post a couple of days ago and thought it sounded kind of interesting... A harmonica without reeds?! How would that work? My engineering mind is trying to figure it out, my guess would be somehow the holes are profiled in such a way as to achieve a standing wave, much like the reeds I guess.... Only with no reeds... I'd be interested to see the characteristics of the instrument, like how it would bend and so on. I'm still puzzled as to how it would though!
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nacoran
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Jan 02, 2014
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Fuzzball, there have been attempts before. Gnarly's video shows an early attempt, and the guys at Jamboxx have one (and you can program the notes to different holes, so you could even use it to experiment with different tunings, and there is an iPhone app, although it seems to be a chromatic rather than a diatonic. Turboharp has a harp with reeds that uses optical pickups for amplification, which isn't quite in the same category, but offers some advantages in preventing feedback and feeds into an FX box.
I've wondered about using the Richter layout on other wind instruments. How about a diatonic ocarina or pan flute? I've played regular versions of both of those, and the big hurdle would seem to be getting a draw note, since we are trained to suck in for some notes, and bending.
At the other end of the business, going with a minimal amp, but really loud sound, I remember seeing a clever hack where someone put two bullet mics together back to back, modifying one into a speaker. It worked as a completely hand held amp system.
At one point I was toying with the idea of setting up a Facebook Page to highlight weird harmonica inventions. I called it 'Hudson River Harmonica Company' and it was really just going to be a place to put links to crazy things in the free reed world, but Facebook really isn't a good site for archiving things, so it never really took off. Off the top of my head, some of the more clever and/or offbeat inventions have been that hand held amp, the light up harmonica, the Jamboxx, a bunch of stuff from Turboharp, Tooka's LED hack, some harpboxing stuff, some of the DIY harp repair tools and tricks, harplock, (maybe my magnetic lids! :) ), discrete combs, enabling reeds...
My idea was sort of a compendium of the cleverness and ingenuity of harpers. If I get enough time I may revisit the idea.
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Oops….Frank, I have struck a major setback & have had to hire a legal team to sort it out. My billionaire status is on hold. Apparently there have been some objections which my legal team are addressing and so far have advised me to:-
Recall all stock from warehouses world wide.
Print retractions.
Change the Name
The recall is no problem as it will allow for the retro fit of the Bluetooth wireless technology enabling pin activation. This retro fit will be offered at no cost and will bring the product up to 2014 specs and offer users the security in knowing they are the only ones able to use their harp.
Some guy who plays lots of Irish music objected to the name and to the fact that we were claiming it as a new invention. He explained that he had been involved in manufacturing different tunings for many decades and that some of his earlier efforts resulted in reed less harps (purely by accident). So we cannot claim it as a first but he is a really nice guy and said that with a name change he has no objection to us running with it.
So the new name is : “ Harmless Harps” guaranteed to not harm your pocket or your ears.
And, the most valuable advantage in owning and playing a Harmless Harp is in never having to pay royalties ever again. Pick & choose from eg Warner Music’s vast catalogue of huge hits and play them to your hearts content. Play at Stadium Venues and issue your own CD’s without ever having to cough up for performance rights. My lawyers have double checked this and said to be careful to not announce the name of the tune and all will be ok.
So there it is. New release date is 1st April or Sept or Dec………..for status updates on your order please contact my call centre in the Philippines on 1234HARMLESS.
Come in spinner!
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