Rick Davis
2174 posts
Jul 30, 2013
9:15 PM
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Do you think there would be interest in such an amp?
A dual purpose tweed Deluxe-type amp set up for classic harp on the normal channel and the other channel is a standard 5E3 bright channel, guitar 50's tone, but use the 12" C-Rex and bigger transformers for around 18-20 watts.
What do you think?
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nacoran
6987 posts
Jul 30, 2013
9:28 PM
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For simultaneous use or serial?
I've always wondered if it was possible to play, say, a clean feed and a dirty feed into the same amp and have the signals come out clean and dirty respectively. From a band perspective, that could sure save on gear you have to drag around. Using it only serial still gives you a few options, (particularly if you have a couple amps that can serve different purposes, but not as many.
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LSC
478 posts
Jul 30, 2013
10:54 PM
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I would most certainly have an interest. The basic formula you present sounds just about right and would solve a long standing problem for myself anyway.
For many years I used a RI '63 Vibroverb with upgraded tubes and speakers, running the harp through the Normal Channel and the guitar through the Bright Channel. The Verb replaced a'66 Vibrolux Reverb which I used the same way. The Vibrolux was stolen in a van rip off.
I didn't know about tube swapping but I found that putting the harp into the #2 input help for the harp. When I did find out about tube swapping the Verb worked even better.
For the last couple of years I've gone to dedicated amps but I had a gig last week where I needed both instuments and space was going to be tight. I took the GA-6 which was great for harp and although the tone was also very good for guitar I couldn't get it loud enough and I couldn't keep it remotely clean. Harp volume was pretty maxed out as well but sound guy said it projected fine. Wasn't a fan of 12s for harp until I got this amp, though I did swap out the original C12R for a reconed '57 P12R. The ceramic was good but the alnico is great.
What you're describing would be just about perfect, especially since the new band I'm with will require me to play both instruments from time to time.
What would be very useful on the guitar side is both reverb and trem. If you had that on board I'd buy it even with the Mission label on :) It would be just too perfect. I suspect I would not be alone.
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Stevelegh
821 posts
Jul 31, 2013
3:08 AM
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I got the Fender Excelsior which doubles up (actually triples up Mic, Guitar and Accordian inputs). One thing it could really do with is a tone control as opposed to the 'Bright / Dark' switch.
I think any dual function amp is going to be cutting a compromise to some degree and with that in mind, perhaps modelling equipment is the way to go. You can get your 'saggy' harp tones and whatever you need for guitar at the punch of a button and have a facsimile of both, rather than one good and one bad sound.
Personally I think
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rbeetsme
1322 posts
Jul 31, 2013
6:36 AM
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HawkeyeKane
1926 posts
Jul 31, 2013
7:10 AM
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I'd bet RJ Mischo would be interested. He plays guitar on some numbers of his road show. Last time I saw him, he was both picking and blowing through a blackface Super Reverb, and had a Fender Reverb Unit running through the first channel so he had verb on both. He's got a nice old Dano guitar.
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rbeetsme
1323 posts
Jul 31, 2013
7:22 AM
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My old Commando is basically a PA with 8 speakers. It has 2 channels with 3 inputs each, each with volume and tone controls. Works well for guitar and terrific for harp (holy grail). I also like to set-up a vocal mic for acoustic harp on the 2nd channel.
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1847
944 posts
Jul 31, 2013
9:46 AM
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the bassman works well for both guitar and harp
come to think of it, so does my champ and the magna tone
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Rick Davis
2176 posts
Jul 31, 2013
10:10 AM
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Yep, this is a Bruce Collins project. He did this for Dan Treanor with his Fender Deluxe Reverb, but a full-on custom amp could have a better "Classic" Mission harp tone. And Bruce is an expert on vintage 5E3 guitar tone. He has been selling renowned clones and kits of the 5E3 for decades.
It is an interesting idea and Bruce asked my opinion, but since I never play guitar on stage I didn't really know the answer, so I thought I would run it by you guys.
Nate- yep, you could run both instruments at the same time and get the desired result: Excellent Mission harp tone and the bright 5E3 vintage guitar tone.
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Rhartt1234
91 posts
Jul 31, 2013
10:10 AM
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As a rule, to keep up with guitars I think a harp amp should be around twice the wattage of the guitar amp. A harp player playing through an 18 watt amp will get buried by a guitar player playing an 18 watt amp.
I've always thought about a 3x10/ 1x12cab with a 15-18 watt tweed Deluxe circuit going to the 12, and a 35 watt bandmaster circuit going to the three 10s.
Have mission amps whip one up, send it to me and I'll put it throughly its paces.
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Rick Davis
2177 posts
Jul 31, 2013
10:14 AM
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Ryan, LOL. A cool ideal, tho...
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toddg
111 posts
Aug 01, 2013
1:32 AM
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My 60's Brown Concert Amps sound great for both Harp and Guitar !!
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bluzlvr
520 posts
Aug 01, 2013
12:57 PM
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I'm lovin' my little Pro Jr for both harp and guitar.
I just put the tone control at "1" when I plug the harp in and adjust it to about "6" for guitar.
I have never had any problem hearing myself on harp in any situation and of course volume on guitar is never a problem. It's amazing how loud that little sucker gets. I've found that anything above "6" on the volume on guitar is too much.
I'm using it with a Carbon Copy delay to get it a little wet.
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capnj
139 posts
Aug 01, 2013
1:55 PM
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Works with my Princeton reverb,up until vol. gets past 5.Electric guitar buries you after that point.Acoustic settings worked allright and I had a delay pedal and octave plugged into my 2 channel.I think Rhartt is right harp needs twice the watts if guitar man starts cranking up.
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6SN7
345 posts
Aug 02, 2013
6:34 AM
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Kind of on topic....
I recently purchased a used Vintage 47 Supro Comet 10 from a music store in Chicagoland. I have been looking for a 5 watt amp for rehearsal/home use/recording and wanted something with that vintage sound (think old Gibson, tweed, etc) but I wanted something that was stable and would not need a lot of tinkering.
This amp delivers in spades. The other night my guitarist used it and loved it. Of course, he wants it louder but then, he needs a bigger amp. As I told him, we can hear you with this amp, we don't need to feel you.
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