Martin
388 posts
Jun 26, 2013
5:18 AM
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Is there a forum member who´s using a pedal of sorts that make a convincing Hammond sound ("convincing" ...) and has it documented?
I´m pretty sure I´ve seen a video -- and it was from a member of this forum -- who used something that sounded really good.
But the archives doesn´t yield anything even remotely like that. (Was it a Russian guy?)
I use an RP (with the Hunter patches) but it´s not even close to what I want. I don´t know if it could be tweaked anew to enhance what organ sound it has, but that´s beyond me.
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ridge
441 posts
Jun 26, 2013
5:39 AM
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Martin,
Best Leslie Simulator for Harp
Dunlop RotoVibe for Leslie effect
You may also want to try searching for the word rotary as that came up with some hits. The above threads got hits on the word leslie
Good luck and happy hunting,
Dan Ridgeway
Last Edited by ridge on Jun 26, 2013 5:40 AM
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HarpNinja
3360 posts
Jun 26, 2013
5:48 AM
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The guy you're thinking of uses a discontinued Korg G4 and an EHX POG. Best I've heard with harp is the Rotosphere. Nero Lex is the best for any instrument, but the Strymon Lex and Tech 21 Rotochoir are not far behind.
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HawkeyeKane
1817 posts
Jun 26, 2013
6:57 AM
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My band does a pretty good cover of Stewart's Maggie May. On it, I play the organ part on my Low D SP20. To get the Hammond/Leslie sound, I use my brightest sounding mic (JT30RH), and turn the tremolo on my 'Zoo Deuce to about a 6 or 7. It gets the job done nicely. Tremolo, IMHO, is a good effect to get a rotary speaker sound.
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barbequebob
2296 posts
Jun 26, 2013
8:12 AM
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There are two new Leslie simulators on the market, tho I haven't checked them out yet, one is called the Ventilator and there is one by the makers of the Leslie cabinets themselves.
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The Iceman
958 posts
Jun 26, 2013
9:24 AM
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About 10 years ago I was quite impressed by a Leslie simulator...what it was, was a small cabinet with rotating horns inside w/line out for low end frequencies. It would sit on an amp (like a Roland Keyboard amp). Source line into the rotating horns, line out from there into amp.
So, no simulation, but actual rotating horns, controlled slow/fast, break, etc. by foot pedal, just like a real Leslie.
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dougharps
407 posts
Jun 26, 2013
9:41 AM
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I guess the key word is "convincing" and the issue is how often will you use it, at what price.
To add to Hawkeye's suggestion, I have also used tremolo on my '61 Gibson Explorer to simulate a Hammond by playing octaves with vibrato at the same time. It is most effective (for me) when I use a chromatic. Depending on the song I usually play chromatic in 1st, 3rd, or 4th when using this effect. Octaves and chords are much more effective than single notes, which don't have the sound.
I know a guy who has two Leslie cabs, but what a hassle to load in and out.
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Last Edited by dougharps on Jun 26, 2013 9:42 AM
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STME58
473 posts
Jun 26, 2013
10:39 AM
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1847 answered my question as to whether Leslie type speakers are still produced. I have only seen one Leslie speaker set up, and it hat the speaker mounted fixed facing upwards into a 90 degree horn that rotated, like what Iceman described. The add 1847 points to says the unit has "moving speakers". I wonder if they really move the speakers in this unit or if that is just add copy license?
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1847
872 posts
Jun 26, 2013
4:18 PM
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have you seen this?
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STME58
474 posts
Jun 26, 2013
6:06 PM
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Thankd for the video posting 1847
It looks like they are using a pre-packaged slip ring set to get the power to the moving speakers. The motor seems to be running open loop, but it is not like a turntable where a small change in speed will effect the pitch.
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STME58
475 posts
Jun 26, 2013
6:07 PM
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Thankd for the video posting 1847
It looks like they are using a pre-packaged slip ring set to get the power to the moving speakers. The motor seems to be running open loop, but it is not like a turntable where a small change in speed will effect the pitch.
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kudzurunner
4135 posts
Jun 26, 2013
6:38 PM
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Carey Bell was the only guy I've seen play live who consistently did a song or two in the Hammond Leslie mode. He's more of a modernist, less of a traditionalist, in this respect, than some people might realize. He's a Mooncat-anticipating, sick-ass, throw-down modernist, in fact. I don't know whether you'd call this Hammond Leslie or steel drum, but it's wild. Start at 13:31:
This video, as a whole, is exhibit A for why Bell is one of the greats.
Last Edited by kudzurunner on Jun 26, 2013 6:43 PM
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nacoran
6882 posts
Jun 26, 2013
7:24 PM
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Would a dimmer switch give you more control over the speed?
I'd noticed when I visited my mother's house, if I play my harp in the living room with the ceiling fan on a get a weird choppy sound. It had intrigued me enough I was thinking about experimenting with a small computer fan right in front of the mic, but I thought maybe it was too weird an idea. Seems downright tame compared to a spinning speaker. :)
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Martin
390 posts
Jun 27, 2013
4:15 AM
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It´s funny with Carey Bell that when he starts to sing after the solo his voice leaks into the harp mic and the effect.
I saw him on this tour and enjoyed how this sound provoked the traditionalists in the audience.
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Martin
391 posts
Jun 27, 2013
4:17 AM
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Thanks for all suggestions above. It looks like a good Hammond effect is a pricey thing (and also quite cumbersome to drag around ...) so I guess I´ll just have to stick to the RP.
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The Iceman
960 posts
Jun 27, 2013
4:55 AM
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I found link to the product I described above in my earlier posting.
http://www.motionsoundamps.com/product.php?name=pro-3x
a bit more expensive than when I first saw it 10 years ago....$799
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nacoran
6886 posts
Jun 27, 2013
1:48 PM
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STME58- Yeah, I've seen kids doing that (used to do it myself!)
I remember seeing a DIY for controlling a computer fan, but I think they kept it hooked to the computer to control it. My electric skills aren't great. I've also been wondering about combining a mic with a USB output, but with additional inputs (Rock Band has a mic that has controller buttons on it, so it's been done before). My idea is to put effect controls right on the mic, particularly for switching quickly between vocal and harp effects.
OOooo, a squirrel... No, really, there is a squirrel outside my window. It just chased of the rabbit I was watching!
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STME58
481 posts
Jun 27, 2013
3:08 PM
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Nate,
How about putting a small computer fan in front of the mike. You might get an interesting sound.
Many computer fans are brushless DC motors which is a bit if a different animal than a brushed DC motor.
If you don't want to use a motor, catch that squirel and put him in a cage to drive your Leslie!
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Miles Dewar
1477 posts
Jun 28, 2013
1:24 PM
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Now I'm totally going to have to try making a rotary PC speaker.
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nacoran
6888 posts
Jun 28, 2013
6:57 PM
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STME58, that squirrel that was outside my window was too erratic. He was doing back flips and somersaults. Craziest squirrel I've ever seen. I think maybe he had fleas or something. He kept flipping over like he was trying to bite something that was biting him. The small computer fan in front of the mic was what I was thinking of. I bet a clever programmer might even be able to oscillate the rotation speed to match the tempo (although I'm not sure there would be enough air movement on a fan that size at lower speeds.) The biggest engineering problem I see is if it's blowing right back at you, you might end up getting a face full of draw notes coming at you.
On a side note, Todd G. posted a video on FB that's been going around of a guy playing bagpipes that shoot fire. He commented he wanted a harmonica that would do that. Sure, it's a gimmick, but what a gimmick! (I've got too much facial hair to play with fire like that though!) I figured valves (not harp valves, something more robust) might keep you from inhaling lung fulls of fire on draw notes.
I still need to make a good video of my one working harmonica invention that I've actually got working. I want to do a big reveal. I don't have the money to patent it or the desire to build it on a mass production level. I really need to get that video shot. I can't find my stupid tripod though. :(
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STME58
484 posts
Jun 28, 2013
11:56 PM
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NAte,
You don't need to move air with the fan. You are just moving an obstacle that the sound can bounce off. Not unlike using your hands in from of the harp.
A fan blade might not be as effective as a rotating horn on a Leslie, but between the harp and a mike it would probably have a significant effect. You will just have to try it to see if it is a desirable effect.
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