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How did you settle on your harp?
How did you settle on your harp?
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joypog
7 posts
Jul 16, 2012
5:15 PM
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The recent "3 simple questions poll" by Noodles made me wonder...how did y'all settle into your harps of choice?
I'm particularly interested in folks who came of harmonica age in a world where you can't test them in stores due to health regulations! Though I'm really curious in hearing everyone's stories.
I'm particularly curious for the hobby players, I can understand a pro spending $$$ to see what's the hottest best fit out there, but for those who do not have unlimited money, how did you decide which harp was best for you? Then again, at $40-$70 a pop for something that can last you quite a long time, this is still a pretty inexpensive hobby!
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nacoran
5985 posts
Jul 16, 2012
6:05 PM
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I made a list of different features- Jellybean shape, regular shape, long cover, Equal Temperament, Just, Compromise, wood comb, plastic, metal, and brands, I cross referenced different items on the list to knock off as many as I could with as few harps as I could.
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The7thDave
278 posts
Jul 16, 2012
6:27 PM
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I used to favor Special 20s, due to the comfort of the recessed reed plates and the general ease of play. When I started taking lessons, though, I recorded myself playing along with my teacher, who plays Suzuki Manjis. There was a noticeable difference in the volume and character of the sound, to my ear, and it wasn't just the result of his superior technique. I have noticed the difference playing the two side-by-side myself.
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STME58
220 posts
Jul 16, 2012
6:35 PM
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I have been buying a different harp for each key so I can get a bit of the flavor of different harps. Unfortunatly, there is a lot of harp to harp variation and the key is an important variable so just because I like one harp doesn't mean I should rush out an by a whole set of those.
RIght now I like the Crossover, Golden Melody and Promaster. Each seems to have its own character and is more suited for different types of music.
You might think that $2000 is a lot of money for an instrument like a saxaphone and that the harmonica (Mississippi sax) is a cheaper options, But I'll bet most harp players spend more on gear than sax players.
I have spent more on harp geat in the last 3 years than I spent on trombone gear in the last 2o years.
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eharp
1894 posts
Jul 16, 2012
7:22 PM
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i bought a bushman at the first SPAH i went to, @8 or 9years ago.
wanted to try something different.
i was told if i didnt like it i could bring it back.
bought another before the end of the week.
i still have one of those harps. the other one, i broke because a reed was stuck. didnt have the patience to wait until i got off work to fix it. just started poking around in there with a screwdriver at a stop light!
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SuperBee
416 posts
Jul 16, 2012
7:53 PM
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I tried many different types, several of which I thought were good. When I decided to settle on one type I had to drill down to non-practical considerations. Aesthetic, tradition, how I felt about the harp. So I chose marine band. But practically I don't have a strong preference between mb (all types including sp20), blues harp,manji, seydel. I like a certain level of quality, but there are many which satisfy that. I play tongue blocks and rhythm and I don't mind the nails. I actually think the covers are easier to deal with than bolted ones.
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Sarge
227 posts
Jul 16, 2012
7:56 PM
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I started playing in 1958 when my Dad gave me one of his old standbys. The old standby was my favorite harp until they went to crap, then special 20, delta frost, then finally settled on the souls voice and solist pro. ----------
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Todd Parrott
974 posts
Jul 16, 2012
8:47 PM
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When I first tried the Golden Melody I hated it - I thought it was out of tune. But later, when I started recording and listening to the playback, that's when I noticed its unique tone. I started out playing Marine Bands, and a bunch pre-MS Meisterklasses, but the Golden Melody's tone is what got me. I still think a stock Golden Melody has a really great tone, even on the plastic comb. Many people count out the Golden Melody because of its tuning, but this can be easily changed, as can the comb. They certainly are comfortable to hold too. Oh, and I got used the the equal temperament tuning. :)
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gene
1071 posts
Jul 17, 2012
12:20 AM
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My first harp was a gift from my son. Wrong kind. It was chromatically tuned. I bought a cheap harp (Huang Star Performer). Then I bought what I thought was a better harp (Hohner Golden Melody. I couldn't tell a whole lot of difference. Then I bought a Suzuki Promaster and fell in love with it. It had babies, and now I have 14 Promasters (all available keys).
I've since tried a couple of other harps, including a Seydel Blues Session low D. I still favor the Promaster for its playability and feel...and looks.
Now I figger if I'm satisfied with it, why risk my money on others?
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A440
21 posts
Jul 17, 2012
12:50 AM
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My Criteria: Price (25-50€), Airtight/Sealed Comb, Screws, Compromise Tuning (or leaning toward JI), Reviews/Reputation. After buying a few different harps in different keys, it was then a question of sound, playability and durability. Eventually I settled into the MB Deluxe, which I've grown accustomed to.
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FreeWilly
276 posts
Jul 17, 2012
12:53 AM
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Here's a story about the hard way to learn (I realized this after writing this :) ) I bought different harps to begin with. Blues Harp/Lee Oskar/Proharp. Then read on the interwebs and bought 2 sp20's (still have them - 5 years old and not one bad reed..). Still couldn't bend the 3 all the way down on those. Then I discovered gapping. And read some more. Bought 2 harps in Bb to decide amongst them: MBD and Seydel solist pro. Went with sp20. Tried a Promaster nevertheless. Tried a Golden melody. Then tried a manji.
Settled on MBD because of the sound. Then I started to really practice bending, and wasn't satisfied with the tuning and the way they bended. Compromise tunings make a clean 3 draw double bend very hard to hit just right for jazz tunes and stuff (anyone else have this?). Cost was high too. And it's hard to cup them when playing amped up. So I'm settling on Golden Melody, with a few MBD in low keys for acoustic low down throwdowns. Still play my Sp20's though. Haven't forsaken anything, as I can't afford to buy a whole set every time the wind changes :) But the next few harps will be Golden Melodys. First custom comb is on the way too! Has been for 10 days, hope it arrives soon!
Summary: I experimented a lot, and every time my playing gets better, I revise my liking in harp. I still have most of those harps, so I can always try if I like something else better than what I've been playing, and I mix them up. Good thing is, if I ever start blowing out reeds on my GM's, I have a bunch of MBD and Sp20 around for reedswaps. Because most people will settle on any one of these three, I always recommend people to start their journey with a Hohner handmade harp, so they can later use the reeds.
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Steamrollin Stan
487 posts
Jul 17, 2012
1:59 AM
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SP20 mostly, being novice i'm still yet to realise its me not the harmonica, i think you's understand.
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Baker
233 posts
Jul 17, 2012
4:46 AM
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The first harp I had was the non-brand one which came with the beginners book I bought. Found Adams lessons, bought a Bb Marine Band and have been playing them ever since. I've learned to make some tweaks to the reeds etc and have been happy with ever since.
I have tried a few other models over the years but I think I'm so used to the MB that nothing else ever felt or sounded right.
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colman
179 posts
Jul 17, 2012
5:20 AM
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i started in 1968 and all the blues dudes i saw used Marine Band harps,so naturally thats what i started with. 44 years later and thats the harp that still has the honk i want.i`ve tried most other harps and they all sounded good but the MB does it like none of the others.
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shadoe42
200 posts
Jul 17, 2012
6:08 AM
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Started with the cheap harp that came with the book I had bought. Somewhere I still have the book. My two year old now has the harp :) This was...mid 90s I guess. Maybe a touch earlier. Fiddled around with it..made some progress..got distracted by other aspects of music(like I do)... came back to harp but had done some research and ended up getting a set of four Lee Oskars cause some local players and shop guys had told em they were a good middle of the road harp. Good for the novice but playable by the pros.
Got hooked deeper into harp and just wasn't happy with the feel of the LOs and the was having issues bending. Still wasn't far enough along to realize the problem was my technique not the harp. I knew the harp itself wasn;t broken just not that maybe it didn't need adjustment. Turned out a couple of them did need some reed adjustment but that didn't come along till the midd 2000s hehe.
Anyway started picking up various harps in C and E to find one I liked. Ended up with a bluesmaster,promaster, harpmaster, special 20. I new I wanted to have a composite or sealed comb and price was an issue.
I ended up settling on the harpmaster as the one that to me felt the best. At this point I have most of a full set of Harpmasters filled in on a few keys by Sp20s. Still have the others I bought and the LOs and a few low end harps I have for practicing my reed work.
Will eventually fill in the remaining harpmasters to get a full set. Fo rmyself the Harpmaster gives me the right combination of loud(Play outside un amped alot) and dynamics. And it just feels good in my hands.
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Stevelegh
557 posts
Jul 17, 2012
6:19 AM
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I'm still searching.
Up until overblows figured in my playing, I was a dyed in the wool Lee Oskar man.
Since then, I've picked up some Joe Spiers MB's. I love the rasp and I love that I had them tuned equal temperament.
I'm about to order a Manji from Brendan in Power Draw tuning. I'm hoping that it's going to solve my frustrations with the note layout of holes 7-10. I've just got a Bandmaster in Powerbender, which has the same payout from 7-10 so I'm pretty confident about this one.
This is something I love about our little instrument. Imagine the money you'd need for every kins of Fender or Gibson. We can indulge a little at a time without breaking the bank.
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robbert
101 posts
Jul 17, 2012
7:02 AM
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For playability, airtightness, tone, volume, apparent durablity, I've been impressed with the Crossover.
I have no preference in terms of design, so it's design is just fine for me, as well as the compromise tuning.
As with most ottb harps, some are gapped a little more consistently than others, so(thanks to this forum)I learned how to gap,and perform minimal gapping, which I recommend everyone do to their harps, whatever the brand.
I found the Crossover to be reliable...it can ob pretty well(especially with a little gapping help), yet doesn't choke with more vigorous playing.
I've tried Manjis, and Seydels(not 1847, however)of the newer models, but still prefer the Crossover.
I used mostly Special 20s and Big Rivers before the Crossover.
For chromatic, I have a couple of Professional 2016s.
I have many other harps including B-radicals and one Spiers Special 20. If I had the money, I wouldn't hesitate to acquire more of Joe Spiers' customs...they are excellent.
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ridge
366 posts
Jul 17, 2012
9:21 AM
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Back when I picked up harmonica 15 years ago, I wanted to play like John Popper. I naturally chose the Special 20 because that's what he played.
When I matured a bit, I started listening to Howard and the sleeve on one of the CDs, or maybe it was his website at the time, said he played Golden Melody harmonicas. So I naturally chose those as well.
These two models have stayed in close contention for the rest of my time playing. I also fancy Marine Bands now too.
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atty1chgo
403 posts
Jul 17, 2012
9:32 AM
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I settled on Suzuki Manji's on the recommendation of Billy Branch, who is an endorsee.
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mandowhacker
178 posts
Jul 17, 2012
1:34 PM
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@ STME58 "I have been buying a different harp for each key so I can get a bit of the flavor of different harps. Unfortunately, there is a lot of harp to harp variation and the key is an important variable so just because I like one harp doesn't mean I should rush out an by a whole set of those."
Yeah, they don't have as much difference in tone between harps as there is in different guitars. I bought a half dozen harps in different keys and found that they all sound pretty much the same. (Overall---not with a tone picking, this one is a bit.....attitude)
The difference is which one plays best for you. I figured that out by ordering every one in "C" and settling on which one played best for me, in that key. Maybe some others might have played better in a different key, but I wasn't gonna order a set of harps in every key!!!
I settled on the Seydel 1847 Silver.
That was for acoustic honking. If you play amped, I can't see what difference the tone the harp has to do with it. It becomes electric and depending upon electronics the second you plug in.
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The Iceman
382 posts
Jul 17, 2012
3:18 PM
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I was a Lee Oskar man for a long time, till I attended the Augusta Heritage Center Howard Levy week back in the early 90's. I switched to Golden Melody because "that's what Howard played", and God knows us 12 students wanted to be just like him at the time.
It took me about 3 months to get used to the different shape, but as time went on, it became my harmonica of choice because of the more equal tuned layout (I am more of a melodic line kind of guy) and the tone.
My full set of Golden Melodies is at least 15 or more years old, and if memory serves me right, Hohner did some kind of change to the manufacturing of them later on.
Even compared to my Harrison Harmonica, which plays better, the tone of the Golden Melody is still my favorite - seems a bit darker and richer than other brands.
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mandowhacker
180 posts
Jul 17, 2012
3:22 PM
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The 1847's do all that I need a harmonica to do....
For most everything except blues tunes, I like the tuning of the Golden Melody. I have replaced the stock comb with ones of various materials from several comb makers and I really like them. It doesn't seem to matter who made the comb, or what it's made of, a flat well sealed comb makes the Golden Melody shine.
Greg
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jbone
1004 posts
Jul 18, 2012
4:18 AM
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back in the day i was looking for a harp that could stand up to a lot of abuse. i was not very responsible player and i constantly blew out reeds esp 4d but also 5d and others here and there. i could buy a harp friday and be shopping for a new one in that key monday.
i tried a lot of brands and models but never really found a harp that was indestructible. still haven't! but finally i began to learn about the limitations of a harp and my true role in playing them. this was primarily to use the harp to make music but not abuse it so badly, and to do that i would need to learn much more about breathing and using dynamics rather than hurricane power. which i have done in the last 15 years or so.
i like an airtight harp with dependable reeds and a comb that doesn't swell or warp but gives the harp some heft. i tried several brands over many years and even into the suzuki promaster, which has an aluminum comb. finally 2 years ago the Manji was released at Suzuki, and i fell instantly in love. wood/composite comb, laser aligned reeds braised to the plate, some very tough reed material, replaceable plates- yes i just replaced my second set in 2 years, where with say big rivers i was replacing 3 or 4 times a year- open back cover, and over all, much better volume at the harp than most other models while retaining a solid tone.
more cost-y, yes, but in the long run a much better investment and tool than cheaper "throwaway" harps. reed plates are about the price of a sp20 or big river but last much much longer if treated right.
i still play fairly loud esp on the street but along with learning more about my own air dynamics and wind control, i am not afraid to let people walk by on the other side of the street. i figure that, if they get a look and want to hear better, they will come in range of the tip jar!
the very first person i have to please with harmonica is myself. then the partners i play with. lastly, the harp- and i- must sound pleasing to the audience, most of whom don't have a clue about sound quality or harp choices.
note that i have not been able to afford customs. i'd be glad to use them if i could get a set or 2 of my most used keys but i just can't afford that kind of dough. next best to me is the Manji.
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rbeetsme
793 posts
Jul 18, 2012
6:10 AM
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I think most of us who have been playing awhile started with what was available and tried new ones when they came out. I tried lots of harps over the years. I currently have 3 complete sets of harps, Bushman Delta Frosts, Suzuki Promasters (light customs by Rupert Oysler) and NOS Marine Bands (customized by Kevin Baker). The Suzuki is great when I want a clean tone, the Bushmans are very responsive and great for bluegrass and blues. Currently, the Marine Bands get played the most. But who knows what I'll be excited about next year. I want a harp that is responsive, easy to play and has reasonable volume. It helps if it is durable too. My best example of this is a custom MB from Chris Reynolds, light custom, brass comb, easy to play and very loud! Heavy enough to use as a weapon in a bar fight too!
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LSC
253 posts
Jul 18, 2012
10:19 AM
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Started with a Marine Band because that was what was on the shelf. Switched to Special 20s with the plastic combs because the wood comb swelling was always an issue with MBs. Then tried Lee Oskars just because that was all that was in the shop when I needed a replacement in a hurry.
I had a limited endorsement deal with Hohner UK but stopped using them when the prices went up radically in a short time for no good reason I could see and the quality deteriorated to unacceptable, if not dangerous, levels. Their customer service was appalling as well. Switched to Lee Oskar again but then was offered a full endorsement deal by Herring. Used them for a short while but then decided I couldn't put my name to them, again due to quality issues.
Went back to Lee Oskars until I discovered the Seydel 1847. Best out of the box harp I ever played by a wide margin. I remember thinking, "Man, this is a proper instrument."
Tone, build quality, customer service and longevity make the 1847 well worth the money IMO. I currently have a limited endorsement deal with Seydel but I was a retail customer before that came about. I use Seydel exclusively and imagine I always will. IMO there is no better harmonica or better customer service.
I do have new instruments sent to 16:23 Custom Harmonicas to have them set up, rather like a new guitar having a set up just to fine tune it. I'm often told there was little or nothing to be done as they were perfect out of the box.
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snakes
671 posts
Jul 18, 2012
5:18 PM
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I started with a very subpar Hohner Blues harp and then bought a Lee Oskar, both in the key of C. Then I learned that I liked the key of A the best so I went on a mission when I got disappointed with a key of G harp from Lee Oskar. I started buying many different models of harps in the key of A. A few examples would be Seydel (1847, Session, & 1847 Silver), Hohner (MB, SP20, Pro Harp, Custom MB, GM) Suzuki (Manji, Bluesmaster, Promaster, Fire Breath), B-Rad (actually the one I got was a Bb), needless to say you get the picture (my wife is awesome...). I figured that way I was trying the same key for the most part against each harp. I wanted to try as many different styles of combs, shapes, etc. that I could. I payed attention to tone and ergonomics and eventually came up with a gig case where my primary set is the Suzuki Firebreath and a handful of custom MB's. My backups are mostly Manji's, the lone B-Rad, and some non-Joe Spiers customs. I've also dabbled with Tremolo harps, minor tunings, and a couple chromatics for certain song style choices. My chromatic of choice is the Suzuki SCX-64. So basically I spent more money than I should, but it enabled me to do things like test harps back to back to back, etc. once I got a few in the bag. The cool thing is I still use the harps I don't particularly care for as carry harps or if I just want to practice on something challenging so my other harps seem easy to play when I come back to them.
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snakes
672 posts
Jul 18, 2012
5:21 PM
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Oh, and some things that caused my selection were hole size, tone, shape (I like rounded corners), and I found the Suzuki harps to be slicker or more friction free (especially the Promaster and Fire Breath). Maybe the friction thing is my imagination, but it seems real to me. Also a big deal with me was whether the harp was likely to be good out of the box (had real bad luck with Hohner harps just being useless - I've got a couple waiting for me to send them off to get them worked on as they are unplayable from brand spanking new). I've taken a little grief for not being so willing to work on my harps, but I have limited spare time due to work demands and am really a clutz when it comes to fine manual dexterity. Case in point is I just had to replace a couple reed plates and I actually broke one of the rosewood combs on a Fire Breath. Ugh - is true I ashamed to say.
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little onion
51 posts
Jul 18, 2012
5:46 PM
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wow- what a great read going down the thead!
when i started when i was a kid there was only MB really and started ubying sp20's kind of as soon as theuy came out. but because i started playing a lot of fiddle tunes and traditional and celtic music and was looking for a fuller (someone said darker tone) i really glommed on to golden melodies when i started playing them and loved them especially for the equal temperament tuning!
i am a friend of a friend to rick epping and have enjoyed playing his invention- the xb-40 because of the fatness of the tone throughout the range of het harp, and recently fell in loev with an A pure harp, which i got because of being a sort of part itme woodworker i really dug the idea of a rosewood case and comb adn it has a dark rich tone especially with handheld mic. i found that when i switched from acoustic and first position to more handheld mic'ed and a more 2nd and 3rd position that that really affected my choice in harps. the xb and the gm don't sound as good as the prewar mb's, the pure harp, and the dannecker's (especially the optimus- i have a solid brass low d that is so awesome thorugh a bullet and a HG2!!!) jeez i wrote more than i thought i was gonna.
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MrVerylongusername
2412 posts
Jul 18, 2012
5:54 PM
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The guy in our local music shop - Phil was his name - was like of a mentor to our band. He gave us cheap deals on used gear and let us rehearse in his piano warehouse. Top bloke, passed away a few years ago.
Anyway, he told me "These are new, better than Hohners" holding up a Lee Oskar, then found Tony Glover's book for me. I trusted him and found he was right. My next harp was a Marine Band and I hated it (this was the late 80s). I played Hohner ProHarps for a little while, but then Hohner ruined them by making them MS. I've stuck with Lee Oskars for gigging ever since. They last forever. I do play Golden Melodies now because they don't whistle so badly on the overblows, but my go to gig harp is a Lee Oskar.
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Arcadiandj
31 posts
Jul 18, 2012
7:23 PM
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My first harp was a Lee Oskar. I had the very common dead draw two. My next harp was a special 20 which I liked just fine. My next was a Bushman delta frost, which I thought was a smooth as "butta!" That was my favorite for a while, until I started to watch Adam's videos and heard more and more about the Marine Bands, which I tried next. I didn't like them as much, until I saw one of Adam's videos that talked about playing harps that were difficult. After that video, I started playing my Marine Bands and developed the opinion that they had better tone than the Bushmans. A year or so later, I have mostly played the Marine Bands, and most of my new harps have been MBs. I have gone back to other harps out of necessity (a video lessons is done with a particular key or my Marine Band now has a dead reed). With this experience I have concluded that I like my Marine Bands the best. However, reading about other harps makes me curious and I wonder which I should try next:)
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isaacullah
2079 posts
Jul 18, 2012
8:58 PM
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the answer is simple: I tried a lot of harps! some I bought, but I was lucky enough to get to hang out from time to time with the late great Buddha in his workshop, and let me try out a lot of harps he had there! I even got to try pre-release prototypes of the hohner crossover and the suzuki manning! more. importantly than that, however, he showed me what a really good harmonics feels like to play, and without that knowledge, I'd probably still be on my quest for the "perfect" harmonics. now I know what I like, I know what it should be, and most importantly, I know how to make it the way I want it.
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Joe_L
1935 posts
Jul 18, 2012
9:18 PM
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I am slowly migrating to Manji's or Marine Band Deluxe's as my stock of MS harps dwindle.
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jbone
1008 posts
Jul 18, 2012
10:17 PM
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if money is no object, suzuki pure is a really fine warm sounding harp. i got one for a gift a couple of years ago and it has a special place in my case.
i tried lee oskar, a lot of hohner, huangs- cheep ones- and a few others as well. my journey to date is in its 40th year. it's very possible something even more attractive than the Manji will come up and i'll have to try it as well. for now the Manji is my go-to harp.
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HarpNinja
2584 posts
Jul 19, 2012
7:34 AM
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I tried everything I could and did everything I could to avoid Marine Bands. Then I got a couple "customs", which really meant screwed and sealed. Really, the Crossover or MBD are perfect harps for me.
Now, as a Hohner endorser with access to aftermarket combs below list price, it is cheaper for me to buy a MB Classic and put it on a dymonwood or Corian comb than it is to buy a XO or MBD (which I also get discounted).
So for 30min of work I get the equivalent of a XO or MBd with a better comb for a few bucks less.
If I didn't get that pricing, I'd just get the new style MB's and tap for screws. The combs will work fine and it isn't much work if you have a drill press and access to screws.
I like the Seydel 1847 too, but get the Hohner stuff much cheaper...
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scojo
308 posts
Jul 19, 2012
7:48 AM
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I had been a Special 20 guy for most of the years I had been playing. Somehow I heard about the Seydel 1847, and before I knew it, I was an enthusiastic and official endorser. It's nearly perfect for me OOTB, and once customized it's just a dream. Plus, their customer service is outstanding... Rupert Oysler is one of the unsung heroes of the harmonica, IMHO.
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naptown jack
5 posts
Aug 07, 2012
12:23 PM
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Started Marine Band in "60's, cost $2,then Blues harp, Spec 20 (plastic comb don't hold H2O) discovered Golden Melody about '75, love size and shape, still use 'em. Big River is a good starter, chaep, decent and I believe reed plates replaceable. My sons started on 'em, now there Golden Melodians. I play Hohners cause they kinda started it all.
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naptown jack
6 posts
Aug 07, 2012
12:25 PM
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Sorry, I mispelled chEAp.
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bluemoose
773 posts
Aug 07, 2012
1:04 PM
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[FYI@naptown - when you are logged in there will be an edit link on the right of your posts so you can correct stuff. Can't count the number of times I've thought I had things perfect only to spot the total boner after hitting post message.
I think you can delete your post as well if you've really messed up.]
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