No, this is not what you see when a sumo wrestler gets on the grog.
There is a really bright full moon over Oz tonight. According to Wikipedia. "A supermoon is the coincidence of a full moon (or a new moon) with the closest approach the Moon makes to the Earth on its elliptical orbit, or perigee, leading to the technical name for a supermoon of the perigee-syzygy of the Earth-Moon-Sun system."
This is a heads-up folks, especially moderators. There has been a notable (and welcome) absence of rants, tantrums, taunts, smackdowns and competitions to see who can pee further and faster than anyone else. Just sayin'...
But put dpwn your mouse and take a look if you can. It is bee-yoo-ti-full!
Was over Berlin this morning at 5:30 or something. Didn't see whack because of clouds, but had a massive headache... :) That happens a lot to me during full moons.
All i see is a copper chopper looking for some baddies ovrhead, is this what you mean??........ok...just had a peek from Leumeah nsw, almost blinded me, amazing, think i'll go outside and do some howling with my sp20.
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Just because scientists cannot find the facts doesn't mean it isn't true or real. Go to your local jail or ask any cop, more arrests for disturbing the peace occur during the full moon. Go to the local mental hospital and see for yourself. My brother is a psych nurse in the mental ward and hates to work when the moon is full.
paul, sorry there were crossed-replies. I think you'll agree with me that the moon's LIGHT could maybe play a role, but when it's new moon, no one speak about it because we don't see her, though she's there, and better, her influence is combined with the sun's influence!
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"Just because scientists cannot find the facts doesn't mean it isn't true or real." that makes it a theory, not a fact.
i will grant that there is a very minuscule part of the population that may act differently at that time, but i would say it has no physical basis. it is because they see the full moon and feel it means they should act out. sort of like being a hypochondriac. a nut is gonna find a justification.
more people find bad things happen to them on friday the 13th's because they are expecting it; anticipating it, even.
The fact is, the moon influences us greatly. It makes the earth wobble. Why do you go through winter, spring, summer fall? The moon. Back in medieval days, folks harnessed the power of the moon (in tidal mills). So we know it can move the earth. How does it affect us poor humans? Well, I'm no scientist. But I would think that if it had no affect on our bodies, why would the female menstrual cycle be the same length of time as a lunar cycle?
Now on the full moon, it's not just that you see a full moon. That has nothing to do with anything. However, the moon's gravitation pull on the earth is increased greatly, because the moon is always closest when the moon is full. Here's how it works. Here's some hellacious supporting graphics to illustrate. They are not to scale ;) Illustration No. 1:New moon. Sun's gravity is pulling the moon away from the earth. Illustration No. 2: Full Moon. BOTH the Sun and earth's gravity COMBINE to pull the moon closer to earth. No. 1 sun.............new_moon......earth No. 2 sun................................earth..full_moon
That's how it works. Never been scientifically proven that it makes people "Looney." This is because it is impossible to scientifically quantify whether people are assholes or not on different days.
I did see my first snake of the year last night. It was a ringneck about 14 inches long. I stood and watched him for a while. Very pretty. They are very nice snakes.
@Laurent, I should have been more specific. I was speaking of the "full moon creates more crime or abnormal behavior" talk.
@paul, Human perception of the Real occurrences of their surrounding environment are immensely polluted by personal bias, setting biases, and outside misinformation forces. We cannot trust the simple claims of people who are not at least trained to understand and work around these factors, and who likely mentally-recorded their experiences.
@eharp, Exactly. There May be some who experience these symptoms, but Outliers are hardly considered supportive.
@elkriver, "I would think that if it had no affect on our bodies, why would the female menstrual cycle be the same length of time as a lunar cycle?"
Even if these things Are strongly correlated, correlation Clearly does not mean causation. There are Many cyclic events that occur on Earth that are around the same time length as the moon cycles, are they likely caused by the moon? ------------
Gravity is an incredibly Weak force! It is so weak, a 2 year-old child can overcome the Earth's gravity with ease. The moon exhibits around 1/6 Earth's gravity force. At the same time, it is ~ 385,000 km from Earth. The 2 year-old child that could overcome 6X the moon's gravity, is sitting directly on top of the gravity source. Keep in mind that the difference in distance, and this gravity force, is Not that of 385,00 km, but simply ~ 50,000 km.
It is a stretch to believe that the moon could negatively-affect electrochemical or mental processes reliably throughout a population
Isaac Asimov took on the menstrual cycle. He pointed out that ladies don't menstruate in sync with the moon cycles, just roughly at the same rate, and that lots of other animals have menstrual cycles that are no where near being in sync with the moon.
As for why arrests spike, I'd imagine there are a couple reasons. The first one is probably just that it's lighter out. People stay out later which gives them more of a chance to get in trouble (or to be seen causing trouble, leading to their arrest). You combine that with expectation/excuse that it's okay to get wild on a full moon and you've got a recipe for craziness. It would be interesting to see if anyone has ever done a controlled study across cultures to see if it holds up in different countries. I know certain cultures have certain ways of handling stress unique to themselves, at least until other cultures become aware of it, cross cultural mass hysteria. :)
Every so often you'll see a statistic trotted out that more babies are born on Tuesdays, with a mysterious tag that says scientists are baffled. It turns out it's directly related to doctor's preferences for when to deliver babies, induced labor and C-Sections in the relationship to the modern work week.
I don't believe in this guff, but I have a terrible hangover, something's got at the hens again this month and there is dog slobber and blood all over my keyboard. I got to go now and shave (again)!
Edited to correct spelling mistake due to typing with paws.
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I photographed the Supermoon at Peregian Beach near Noosa. Lots of people out on the beach as unfortunately a 37yo male swimmer went missing & is now presumed drowned. Next day still no trace of the swimmer as seas were quite rough.
The moon however was brilliant to witness & I hope to use the shots in future Youtube videos.
What is it about full moons that has groups of loonies huddled around playing bongo drums all night? Some form of devil worship? ---------- HARPOLDIE’S YOUTUBE
Hey Aussie, the moon is probably upside down looking or something, isn't it? I mean, you guys are standing upside down when you're looking at it. ---------- David Elk River Harmonicas
David, I think you'll find that Aussies stand the right way up. It's you northern hemisphere types that are upside-down. And don't get me started on the direction toilets swirl...
Ha! My favorite Simpsons moment was where Bart went to Australia to see if the toilets flushed the wrong way. They go to the U.S. Embassy, where they had created this device to make the toilets swirl "The correct, American way..." The toilet flushes, the device kicks on to reverse swirl direction and Homer starts crying and singing "My Country 'Tis of Thee." All I could find was the full episode of Bart vs. Australia. That scene is 11 minutes in.
But the moon would just HAVE to look upside down to you guys and the phases move backwards wouldn't it because you're upside down when you're looking at it? Up here, the Sea of Tranquility is on the top right. Tyco is at the bottom.
Miles, about gravity, you just forgot the bodie's masses. In principle an apple on a table exerts an attractive force on another close apple and vice versa: nothing happens, because the masses are weak; now ask NASA what's needed to make a rocket escape the earth's attraction (notably the speed to reach)...
ElkRiver: the points that are NOW the apogee and perigee are not stable in the space, they are slowly but permanently rotating, so that when full moon, it doesn't mean necessarily the closest position. As for the attraction on the moon, it cannot prevent that the moon moves away from the earth about 4 cm/year; it's supposed that the cause of this is the earth's rotation slowing down.
Bronze, I just asked my brother, he could have a fair deal with you if you buy razors per 1000: 15% discount. Now he prefers to wait after full moon to make the deal (I explained him your little troubles).
"Miles, about gravity, you just forgot the bodie's masses. In principle an apple on a table exerts an attractive force on another close apple and vice versa: nothing happens, because the masses are weak; now ask NASA what's needed to make a rocket escape the earth's attraction (notably the speed to reach)"
Bronze, He suggests that when the blades are wore down, you use them as a file: you see, honest business. He also said that you could see a vet when full moon...
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Miles, to support your claim it must be then considered that the masses of those apples are the same as earth's. The child (or anyone) doesn't get the energy to escape from the earth and the only explanation is the earth's mass and related attraction; what's the weight of 6 billions people who are stuck on the planet? don't you think that the necessary force must be gigantic? Can you imagine the weight of our atmosphere? it's still there because of the attraction (i.e.was not sufficient for the moon keeping its own).
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Miles, I think the velocity needed to escape Earth's gravity is six miles a second or thereabouts, or roughly the speed of a jumping two-year-old. Sorry, I couldn't resist that (but I understood your point anyway). ---------- David Elk River Harmonicas
Bronze, that's very easy since my brother just ordered 1 ton zinc wire from Nigeria, not paid yet. You pay the deposit (= 10000 razors's value) and he'll ship the razors to you. The advices to unstick your money are free.
@elk river "The fact is, the moon influences us greatly. It makes the earth wobble. Why do you go through winter, spring, summer fall? The moon."
this is not correct. The seasons occur because the earth is rotating tilted relative to its orbit around the sun.. this could be because the original collision with earth that formed the moon knocked the orbit of earth a bit, but just that once.. the tides yes, sort of, though they are maximal at full or new moon because the gravitation of sun and moon are lined up then..
Being a big believer in free-markets, it pains me deeply that people have such trouble moving their money from Nigeria. I do all I can to help them. It's my retirement plan. I have a lot of money coming to me and I am soon to collect 20 billion Euros in the Eurolottery I keep winning, even though I didn't enter. How lucky is that! ---------- David Elk River Harmonicas
RaZors.... Hmmm.... Only to diversify my portfolio of Nigerian futures and my vault of sandwiches, a good bet for the hungry investor.
It would have to be as speculation only. I don't buy razors for shaving. I've been using a straight razor since 2001 (true).
I have also made an investment in this project of a group of military officers from Baltimore. They are building a giant underground cannon in Florida to shoot a cannonball to the super moon to establish relations with the Selenites. They were going to send a Frenchman, an American and a dog, but are now sending a two year old in the cannonball. Obama has designated this to replace the shuttle. The head of Jules Verne (think Futurama) will head NASA. I would invest more but my inheritance from Emporer Roscoe P. Coltrane XIII of the Confederate Royal Family is tied up in Nigeria.
@laurent. Not sure I wanna cough up the bread, or even the dough. I think our Elk River friend has summed up the situation succinctly. It all makes perfect sense now...
" They are building a giant underground cannon in Florida to shoot a cannonball to the super moon to establish relations with the Selenites"
Thought it was top secret? Aaaargh! I think you'll see Nigeria very soon...
Now, without talking crap about the moon, you were wrong saying she is the cause of the seasons, but you already know that. On the contrary, you're not wrong about earth wobbling since her rotation axis draws sort of upside down cone in the space AND draws the cone's basis undulating: the earth actually spins like a top almost reaching stillness...you see? The circular basis of the cone is drawed in 26000 years and it's the moon the cause of these erratic -but measured- moves. Heard about the changes into dates of equinox and solstice? Well, it's the result of all this. Now the moon's moves on herself...(yes!) and in the space around the earth are infinitely more complicated than earths moves: certified headaches.
You guys are not listening to MY words. Don't pay attention to the "get off the Earth" BS. That is NOT what I was referring to.
If you really don't believe a 2 year old child can overcome Earth's gravity, watch them pick up a toy, or stand up. "Overcome" Clearly does not mean escape Earth's gravity, which is impossible, as Earth's gravity -as well as yours- spans the entire universe.
"The child (or anyone) doesn't get the energy to escape" This is not what I was referring to. You need massive amounts of energy regardless what is trying to escape Earth's atmosphere. But again, this is not what I was referring to.
The Earth's gravity, excluding air resistance, exerts a force of 32.2 ft/second/second. After 10 seconds you (or a bowing ball, or a feather, or the Eiffel Tower) are travelling at 322ft/second...
...19320 ft/min.
...1159200 ft/hour.
...or ~220miles an hour.
To put that in perspective - akin to a top fuel drag bike which might hit this over a standing quarter mile. When Rod Pallant broke the 200MPH standing quarter time in the UK he said, "I was going so fast I coudn't focus my eyes!"
Now that's over 440yds, in the same time span, gravity would have put you, (or the Eiffel Tower) nearly 200yds in front of the drag bike!
A 2 year old child standing up, or picking up a toy, is already defeated by gravity because they are at rest, on the ground/floor. A lot of 2year olds would need an additional device like a trampoline to momentarily escape/defeat gravity...I can't remember exactly but it's about that age, or a little later, that they develop the ability to jump from rest.
Anyone with a 2 year old got a 1/2 mile tall anaerobic chamber and a very deep crash mat? "Again Daddy! Do it again....faster..." :-)
Air resistance, & subsequent terminal velocity, makes things a little less dramatic...just a bit anyway...
And the higher you fall from the faster you go...Col. Joel Kittinger jumped from 20miles in the 60's, someone is looking to top this...
---------- www.myspace.com/markburness
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"Overcome" Clearly does not mean escape Earth's gravity
Sorry, but yes indeed. The example you give means "lift a weight": your child can do it because the weight (let's say the mass) is weak. Now if lifting a mass from the ground proves that gravity is weak, ask the child to lift a car! Miles, what do you mean by "entire universe"?
Gravity is weak but persistent. Unless you can move fast enough so that you move away from the field faster than, argh, high school physics, where did I store that in my brain... the cubed root of the distance... that persistent force will eventually pull you back. You can 'escape' gravity a couple ways though. You can free fall, during which gravity isn't a problem, (until the very end). If you can get up out of the friction causing atmosphere and fall at an angle you can free fall in orbit. YOu can reach a point equidistant between to larger gravity fields at Lagrange Points. Hopefully those two larger masses are orbiting each other, or moving away from each other. Being at a theoretical Lagrange Point between two massive stationary objects is even more disappointing than suddenly becoming aware of gravity at the end of a free fall.
As for me, I'm working on my own supermoon theory. It involves lots of Twinkies and a belt that could give out at any minute. ---------- Nate Facebook Thread Organizer (A list of all sorts of useful threads)
@Rubes, cool map. Early world maps didnt point north either. flying squirrels overcome gravity for extended periods by falling horizontally. ---------- David Elk River Harmonicas
@laurent2015 "There's one way to momentarily escape the earth's attraction, and it's beeing in a lift shaft (or a plane) that falls at a given speed and make you "float"."
In this scenario you are not escaping the Earth's attraction, you are still falling due to the effect of gravity, it's just that your point of reference is falling at the same speed, hence you "appear" to float with respect to that point of reference and are not floating with respect to Earth. ---------- www.myspace.com/markburness
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