"All they have to do is hit the link - they can give any reason they like - it will still most likely be deleted by an automated system."
But they do have to select a reason and that reason will either be a copyright violation or one of the community guideline violations. Once Adam finds out which it is, he can dispute it.
You can't simply flag a video and say you don't like it.
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I phrased that badly. I didn't mean they can give any reason they choose - I meant they can select a reason that might not be true in order to achieve the removal of the video.
Whatever the case - it appears to be beyond doubt that Adam has reason to dispute the removal.
Yeah! I just went through the motions of flagging one of my videos. You need to select from a list of reasons why you think it's innapropriate and there is absolutely nothing there that could be aimed at Adam's video. It must be malevolence. ----------
This has turned into a real "who dunnit" mystery...It's pitiful that any video on youtube can be desecrated that easily, with anonymity. It's - Your guilty till proven otherwise, and your going to suffer whether you like it or not>> definitely unjust...and Profoundly IDIOTIC!!!! Do you have a Lawyer?
@yonderwall: I've tried submitting an email through that page, several times today, and I keep getting the same error message, in red: PLEASE TELL US YOUR ISSUE. It doesn't make any difference how I fill in the blanks; the email never goes through. I don't think that YouTube any longer accepts email from that page.
If your video was removed for a Community Guidelines violation and you disagree with the decision, you can appeal the strike within your own account. After you acknowledge your Community Guidelines warning strike, you can sign into My Account Settings and appeal your video strike directly from within your account (from the "Manage Account" section under "Account Status").
ok i just flagged a video because of a confederate flag the reason of hate speech its the vid of an associate im gonna LMAO if its deleted thanks for the info. :D
Hi Adam, I tried that page again (using bogus information), and got a thank you for the submission (rather than a 'tell us your issue'). Here are the fields I entered data into (maybe your web browser is hiding one from you?): YouTube username, email address, I checked the "video removed" box, selected "unsure" about Why did I feel the video was removed, said no to technical issues accessing account, said yes to do I feel the video was flagged, and added details into the box at the bottom (also required, apparently) before hitting submit.
time mary has plenty of room, i typed a big long winded thing about it being the flag of a deafeted enemy like nazi germany iraq etc and its a symbol of hate and im so offended etc. you wanna do it too? the more people that flag it i think the better my chances of having it deleted is. will anyone flag this vid ill write the shpeal i think someone speaking on behalf of the SPLC would work. you can speak on the behalf of anything and not be an actual employee. but yeah someone targeted adam and it has to be they are a competator or some type of control freak like a speech nazi. adam you ever talk about your world/political views?
Seems like we're up against another instance of the wannabe autocraps coming out from under the mouldy rocks seeking to rid the world of all those powerful temptations which they can't stop thinking about. They are of course in my humble (not) opinion inferring permission from the weirdos now vying for political nomination. Need I say more?
Some nazi wants to circumscribe what Adam may or may not proffer the enormously grateful 99%. So and so needs a stinging rebuttal and a blast of insecticide.
I tried to view .001 and youtube kept throwing .002 at me and there was no way to ask why .001 had been removed. youtube at its worst. vimeo better? i'll check it out now
@billy_shines Your idea of human bones as instruments is not as radical as your presentation of the idea. The kangling, a kind of trumpet made from a human femur is stiil in use in some parts of the world today. Have you done any research on your idea? You might find some archeologists who agree with you.
i brought this up in the music theory thread we need to take it there. yes ive done as much research as i can without actually trying it. archeologist agree its not aliens and agree its some kind of ancestor worship. but they wont listen to me at all. but take it to the music theory post.
This is crazy. They are are FREE and PRIVATE site. It's not like the public library you pay taxes for won't accept you, they are private and can do whatever they want. Maybe the reason is stupid for removing your videos, but get over it. Use another site or do your own video hosting site and it will be a non-issue. I am sure plenty of people have been removed from this site for what they think is a stupid reason but its your site and can do whatever you want with it. I am sure if someone you didn't personally like applied for membership here that you would not allow it even if the promised to follow all the rules (I would not allow someone I didn't like if I had my own site either!). If enough people have the same complaint you do then they will start to feel the loss. You wouldn't eat at a free restaurant if the food was bad, you wouldn't go see a free movie if it was awful, and even if they had you pay you just wouldn't go back again. So do just that, DON'T GO BACK!
@rt123: Well gosh, thank you! I just wasn't looking at it that way. You're RIGHT, darn it!
Procedural justice is something we should expect from public institutions--like the local police force, who only beat people when those people do bad, bad things. But only a silly person like me would expect procedural justice from a private company that claims (because they're a part of Google) that they "Do no evil."
I must have lost my head. I was expecting better, but I see now that I've been a fool. Thank you!! Cynics perform a vital function in society, as you've just performed yours.
@kudzurunner: I did some testing. The "Please tell us your issue" notice is tied to the checkbox for "Was your video removed or account suspended". It looks like your browser is not recording you checking the "video removed" box correctly (do you see the little check appear when you click in the box?). Perhaps try a different web browser (I used Safari). Hope this helps.
@rt123: I noticed this morning that my "Crossroads Blues" video has just been rejected for "inappropriate content." Any idea what terms of service violation I had there? (No copyright violation is listed on my channel. I'm in good standing with YouTube. This whole thing is a mystery.)
That was my first and only music video and I had the sense, from the 240,000 hits that it got in the past year, that a lot of people enjoyed it. I've been using it to get gigs.
If somebody is trying to harrass me, they're doing a pretty good job.
I'll re-upload it to Vimeo, of course.
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I think saying I am a cynic is a little harsh. I would say I am very loyal to those that are loyal to me but I don't have time. patience, on energy to deal with the BS that comes with some business or organizations. If I put myself in your shoes I would just find another site. I never said you were wrong, or "a fool" as you put it, to be pissed, I would be pissed too, but I would move on quickly and take my business elsewhere. Turn your loss of videos into a loss of a site visitor for them. PS... love the sarcasm, i realize it was in response to how my post came across. LOL
I never claimed to know why your videos were being removed. There was a theory floated that it could be the satan references. Those who do not know blues history could take offense to that, I guess??? It could be a computer glitch as others have referenced. Either way it seems to be a crappy system that they have going. run, run away from you tube as fast as you can! LOL
@ mrverylongusername I am sure it isn't racist in the context it was used, but..... if someone called me "watermelon man" i would have a major problem with that! I think it is someone just being a jerk or someone who does not understand the blues references
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I was just wondering. Can one of those music videos, where the copyright holder, Youtube and an advertister have made deal so that an ad (that you can't forward through) plays before the video, be flagged and thereby removed by anyone?
That is, when Youtube directly receives ad $$$ from commercial advertisers on a specific video, are they as cavalier with a video poster's appropriateness? Or does THAT video go into the "there really better be something inappropriate with this video before we yank it" pile?
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I haven't read all the posts and this may have been brought up, but many upload sites are using audio identification software.
I discovered this when using Sound Cloud to upload some tracks for my band's Facebook page. They were covers and I'd ripped the originals using YouTube2mp3 converter.
When I tried to upload, I was flagged as putting up copyrighted material. There was no indication that it would happen at the outset and it was only when the track was downloaded that it flagged.
I know this is a long shot, but could it be to do with something being played? A series of notes or riff that sets a filter off?
I know there's tons of illegal material uploaded to YouTube, but it could be that a filter only runs when a 'report' is submitted. I can't imagine YouTube are manually vetting every report they receive or that they're responding to every report. It would be impossible.
@Stevelegh. Same happened to me (Still ongoing battle with YT) Matched third party content. Problem was, it's my music that I'm using. I upload music and when I use the music again in another video, I am in breech of my own copyright. Can't win. ----------
@tookatooka Seems the programming staff at YT doesn't possess foresight or imagination. It seems obvious that a copyright holder could publish his material again in a fresh context.
@SteveLeigh: You're right to think about such things, but that's not what's going on in this case. Truth is, about 20-25 of my videos have been flagged by YT as having either "matched third-party content" or "video blocked in some countries"--the latter being a way of saying that the copyright administrator in Germany (for example) doesn't want my videos played there.
But none of those copyright "situations" have resulted in my videos being deleted. That has only happened in the past few days, and to the three videos I've referenced in this thread. None of those videos contained "third-party content" of the familiar sort: intros and outros snatched from copyrighted recordings, copyrighted recordings (such as Herbie Hancock) played in the course of the video, etc. And only the "Crossroads" video contains a controlled composition (i.e., copyrighted by somebody else), played by me. True, the soundtrack of the video is actually my own recording, so I suppose it could be argued that the video is "matched third-party content," but it's also first-party content--i.e., mine.
In the first two yanked videos, I'm playing original improvisations. So the copyright issue is a non-starter there.
The only mistake here is probably to look for rhyme or reason in the whole thing. The reason may, however, become apparent later on. I believe that all this is happening, and now, because somebody has decided to harrass me by flagging my very first video, my most-favorited and -commented on video (289,000 views), and my one actual music video, the last two of which appeared on a handful of my key MBH webpages. I applaud the shrewdness and efficiency of this targeted attack! Bravo.
edited to add: My YT account has no copyright strikes and no content ID claims. I'm in good standing. Yet I've had those three videos deleted for "inappropriate content." If this makes sense to anybody, please do tell.
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"The only mistake here is probably to look for rhyme or reason in the whole thing. The reason may, however, become apparent later on."
And yet you continue to waste time here in fruitless and baseless speculations instead of moving forward with the appeals process youtube provides. Why is that?
Rt123, the problem is, if you host your own videos you then have to add a layer of bureaucracy to deal with copyright claims or you can wind up in court. Google has problems with there system, and some of that has to do with trying to comply with poorly written copyright laws. Basically, the law says they aren't liable for infringing material as long as they take it down as soon as they receive a notice. The system was supposed to only respond to legal notices, but the RIAA and MPAA have pushed hard to make it more automatic, and Google has sadly caved. If you look at their info on flagging, it's anonymous, and just button clicks. They really need to go back to requiring legal notification, and to allow people to know who flagged them. You should have the right to face your accuser. (There could still be safety valves put in place in extreme cases.) As for Google being a public company and having the right to do what they want, that's not necessarily as true as you might think. There are all sorts of regulations that could cover them, because they rely on public right of ways, interstate commerce, and public airwaves on mobile devices, not to mention potential antitrust issues because of their size. The problem is, the copyright lobbies and general busybodies have pushed the pendulum too far against free speech.
From what I understand, videos that don't have any violations eventually do get reinstated if you jump through all the (many) hoops.
In the meanwhile, Adam, in the vein of turning lemons into lemonade, maybe we can get a 'Music so hot it was banned from YouTube' campaign going for you. If someone is going after you based on a grudge, turning this into some free publicity for you might be the best way to make sure they don't win.
Or he can just go to another video site and be done with it. I did a quick google search (how ironic) and found a webpage thats lists the 31 top alternatives to youtube.
Im so thankful for Adam's videos, if it weren't for happening upon them surely my journey with music would have ceased some time ago. Attacking someone's videos posted for eye opening educational purposes really seems like a moral sin of some sort. Free education is the shiznit! I happily bought his complete series of videos some time ago.
RT123, the problem is it's more like a billboard than a parking situation. YouTube is a location. It's in a high traffic area. They say there are three rules to business... location, location, location.
If you are using a website to drive people to your videos, it's fine to use whatever service you want, but if you are doing it the other way around, using videos to drive people to your website, there's YouTube, and maybe Vimeo. Putting it anywhere else is like putting up a billboard sign with flashy lights in an empty room off of a back alley in a ghost town with no cellphone coverage.
I guess, besides YouTube and Vimeo there are the social networks. You can put videos up on Facebook, but they aren't as good at helping new people find you as YouTube is, at least not yet. (I don't remember the name of it, but there is some software I saw on Lifehacker that helps you synchronize information across different sites).
@RT123: You think Adam should delete his 345 videos from YouTube where he's had over nine million video video views and where he has over twenty thousand subscribers and go start over somewhere else?
Reality check time: How many of you ever heard of Adam Gussow before he started posting videos on YouTube? How many of his gigs, CD, iTunes, book and lesson sales are attributable to his YouTube exposure?
So far, less than 1% of Adam's videos have been removed. I can see that that's upsetting and, if I were him, I'd certainly try to figure out why it's happening, but I don't think it's time to throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet.
