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WinslowYerxa
208 posts
Mar 01, 2012
12:47 PM
May I ask the Modern Blues harmonica community to help me with some input?

I’m working on a book project and I’ll include a list of must-hear harmonica recordings (individual tunes, not albums or CDs), with key of tune and harmonica, and position.

Each tune should be:

-- representative of the artist's best and most characteristic work

-- potentially inspiring and motivating to a new or potential harmonica player

-- and exemplary of something important about blues harmonica.

In several cases, I’m asking individual artists to give me their personal best, and several have responded. But in some cases either the artist has left the building, or I’d just like to get a broader sampling. So I’m asking for input on the following artists:

William Clarke

James Cotton

Paul deLay

Rick Estrin

Jerry McCain (I know, he’s been discussed here before in this light)

Rod Piazza

Jerry Portnoy

Junior Wells

Kim Wilson

if you feel that someone important isn’t on the list, go ahead and give me your ideas. But please be aware that the list above is not my full list, just the part of the list where I’m asking for help.

Thanks.

Winslow

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jodanchudan
542 posts
Mar 01, 2012
1:28 PM
I'd pick 'Blues in a dream for Jerry Portnoy. It's a signature tune, so representative. As for inspirational / motivating - I think it is. It sounds relatively do-able, though it's very tough and loaded with technique. But for someone new to the harp it sounds like a tune they could at least approximate. And in terms of exemplifying something about the harp, I think it's a great example of a slow blues and a great example of bending for expression - the slow-release bends are a pretty central feature of the track. Live version:

tmf714
1038 posts
Mar 01, 2012
2:51 PM
Jerrys vibrato is the signature on "Blues In A Dream"-
JTThirty
157 posts
Mar 01, 2012
2:52 PM
Kim Wilson, "Floyd's Blues", A harp in 2nd from Barrelhouse Chuck's GOT MY EYES ON YOU--Classic Wilson style. Rick Estrin, "Headin' Out", C harp 2nd from his ON THE HARP SIDE-captures Estrin's essence.
Add Gary Primich to your list for sure.
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WinslowYerxa
209 posts
Mar 01, 2012
3:12 PM
OK, which Primich cuts would you include?
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harpdude61
1258 posts
Mar 01, 2012
3:14 PM
My 3rd favorite player after Ricci and Cotton.
harpdude61
1259 posts
Mar 01, 2012
3:26 PM
Don't think I've ever heard a song that was more about the blues!
JTThirty
159 posts
Mar 01, 2012
5:33 PM
Can't put my hands on "Dry County" or "Varmint" to recall the harp keys, but I do love what Gary Primich does with "Triple Trouble" in A, 2nd position from TRAVELIN' MOOD.
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nacoran
5328 posts
Mar 01, 2012
7:26 PM
I don't know as many classic performances as I should, but I've got to say I'm inspired when I hear Cotton on Slow Blues, I'm definitely inspired.



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Michael Rubin
459 posts
Mar 01, 2012
8:43 PM
Cotton The Creeper, Blues in my Sleep and How Long Can a Fool Go Wrong
Clarke Lollipop Mama, Blowing the Family Jewels, Work Song
McCain My Next Door Neighbor (In Library on Congress or something similar) She's Tuff, Steady

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GamblersHand
336 posts
Mar 01, 2012
11:54 PM
For Primich I love the intensity of the 3rd position solo on "Dummy on Your Knee".
I also like his take on "Caravan", but it's a little atypical and not being a chromatic player I'm probably not the best judge of its merits. "Ain't You Trouble" has nice Soul Jazz touches. "What's It Gonna Be?" also has an intensity over a one-chord vamp that I can't imagine another player quite replicating. And "House Rockin Party" has a perfectly developed solo over a Bo Diddley beat.
sorin
346 posts
Mar 02, 2012
12:11 AM
I second Michael on Clarke songs , "Lollipop Mama" 2nd position key of G ,or "It must be jelly "key of D intro and second solo 2nd position , first solo 3rd position.

Paul Delay "Leave me alone"
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harmonicanick
1482 posts
Mar 02, 2012
1:08 AM
@Winslow
For Primich my take would be 'Jenny Brown' off the 'Mr Freeze' album

Incredible opening notes on Bb harp and solo
Frank
326 posts
Mar 02, 2012
4:14 AM
I vote for "Cash Money" William Clarke - it teaches the wisdom of the less is more concept and how intelligent playing of the harmonica has the ability to make the groove seem even more powerful then it already is.

disclaimer...Listening to the song on you tube does the song very little justice...

NiteCrawler .
176 posts
Mar 02, 2012
4:32 AM
I know he,s not on your list but would you maybe consider Charlie Musselwhites,Christo Redemptor?I also think that some of Charlies work on the Continental Drifter cd where he,s playing some of the Brazilian ghetto blues .I always thought that it was awesome to hear him playing to a totally different style of blues from South America.

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7LimitJI
635 posts
Mar 02, 2012
6:44 AM
William Clarke- "Blowin the family jewels" on the album Groove Time.
Key of "A" Third pos played on a G diatonic harp

Rod Piazza- "Sinister Woman" on the Live at BB King's album.
Key of D Played second pos on a G diatonic

Kim Wilson- "Down at Antones" on the Tuff Enuff album
Key of E played second on an A diatonic

Rick Estrin- " Go on if you're going" on the Thats Big album.
Key of D played third pos on a C 64 chromatic
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The Iceman
238 posts
Mar 02, 2012
6:49 AM
Paul DeLay - Paulzilla

I Can't Quit You No, the first track, has the best third position solo from Paul
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GamblersHand
337 posts
Mar 02, 2012
7:46 AM
+1 for I Can't Quit You No
Staggering phrasing
Joe_L
1763 posts
Mar 02, 2012
11:17 AM
Here are my favorites by each of these artists:

William Clarke - Blowin' Like Hell is probably my favorite tune. It captures that George Smith sound and defines the modern West Coast style of harp playing. Cash Money is a close second. It's very reminiscent of Louis Myers' fine playing on Top Of The Harp.

James Cotton - The Creeper is his signature tune, but my favorite tune of Cotton's is Blues In My Sleep on Verve. One of my favorite Cotton tunes is Everything's Gonna Be Alright from the Antone's release Mighty Long Time. It captures Cotton in fine form both vocally and harp playing.

Rick Estrin - Headin' Out from On The Harp Side. Fine instrumental in the Little Walter traditional.

Jerry McCain - Steady. It falls into the category of sonic perfection.

Rod Piazza - I'll leave Rod to the others. I'm not that familiar with his body of work.

Jerry Portnoy - Snakeskin Strut off the Legendary Blues Band's Life of Ease recording. I think this capture Portnoy's sound quite nicely and the band backing him up is top notch.

Junior Wells - Eagle Rock on the Blues Hit Big Town album. To me, It's My Life, Baby captures the essence of Junior's sound. Vocally and harp playing. Yonder Wall on Hoodoo Man Blues is another similar tune that defines Junior's abilities.

Kim Wilson - Floyd's Blues on Barrelhouse Chuck's CD, Got My Eyes On You may some of Wilson's finest playing. The whole damn CD is great.

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Martin
43 posts
Mar 02, 2012
2:01 PM
Primich: "The girl that radiates that charm". A take from Finland, that may or may not be live -- I guess it would take a Finnish audience (or a Swedish) not to erupt after he stands bleeding from that really devastating solo. (Eb harp, 3 post IIRC.) A hair raiser in my book. It´s a bit of a "Frank Sinatra moment" in that it transmits this intense prescence, he just keeps on and on and you´re truly THERE when he´s digging in to the heart of that tune.
Cheers,
Martin
(in Sweden, where "cool" isn´t cool but a national and meterological affliction.)
MP
2073 posts
Mar 02, 2012
2:07 PM
Martin,

my exact choice too! i'm totally not kidding. i do "radiates" every gig and recorded it on my 95 CD.
your description of it? AMEN!
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atty1chgo
257 posts
Mar 02, 2012
2:57 PM
I didn't know that Rod Piazza was "legendary". Maybe I'm missing something. Nah, don't think so.
jodanchudan
543 posts
Mar 02, 2012
3:36 PM
@tmf714 - surely the slow bends are more prominent here than the vibrato (which, on this live version at least, sounds more like tremelo to me). In any case, the slow bends are what Jerry picks out as the main feature in a video on his site.
Michael Rubin
460 posts
Mar 02, 2012
4:20 PM
atty1chgo

I am not into Piazza either, however I do own 10 or so CDs and have seen him over 30 times. Why? Because he can really play both diatonic and chromatic and puts on a great show. He has been putting out albums as long as Musselwhite. He had a band with George Smith. He has made a living as a harp player singer for 50 years. At what point to you give it to a guy?
jodanchudan
544 posts
Mar 02, 2012
4:32 PM
Rod Piazza's Ghostin' is a great track - and so is Devil's Foot on chromatic.
WinslowYerxa
210 posts
Mar 02, 2012
4:33 PM
Well, instead of "legendary" I could say "respected, adulated, and emulated by thousands of harp players worldwide over several decades." I think that applies to everyone on my list.
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Michael Rubin
461 posts
Mar 02, 2012
5:15 PM
Junior Wells: Messing with the Kid, Vietcong Blues Snatch it Back and Hold It, Come on in this House
hvyj
2230 posts
Mar 03, 2012
6:30 AM
Winslow, Is sugar Blue on your master list? Just curious.
Martin
44 posts
Mar 03, 2012
7:01 AM
Not picking a fight here but just asking: any particular reason Butterfield isn´t included? I´d say he´d meet the criterion "respected, adulated, and emulated by thousands of harp players worldwide over several decades."
Of course you gotta draw a line somewhere and I´m biased since he, so to say, awoke me from my dogmatic blues harp slumber.
Michael Rubin
462 posts
Mar 03, 2012
7:29 AM
Martin,
Winslow said in his original post there is another list that he has already made decisions about their important songs. I am sure Butter is there.
Kingley
1830 posts
Mar 03, 2012
8:01 AM
William Clarke - My favourite track by him is "Drinking all by Myself" from the "Blowin' like Hell" album. The whole song drips with feeling and when Clarke starts playing harp at the end of it, you can really feel the emotion pouring from it. Just purely for harp though it would probably be "Blowin' The Hell". Although I do prefer "Moten Swing" more.

James Cotton - It has to be "The Creeper". It just personifies James Cotton's harp playing to me.

Paul Delay - I don't know enough about his material to have a favourite.

Rick Estrin - "Headin Out" is a superb Little Walter style track. Although it's hard to beat stuff like "Sure Seems Strange" or My Next Ex-Wife though.

Jerry McCain - It has to be "Steady" as it's a benchmark track. It has one of the best /most sought after amped tones of all time.

Rod Piazza - "The Upsetter" from the "Harpburn" album.

Jerry Portnoy - In my mind although he's a great harp player, he's too strongly linked as Muddy's sideman for me to choose a track.

Junior Wells and Kim Wilson - I like a lot of their stuff, it would be hard to pick out one tune in particular from each though.

Gary Primich - For me it would be "Ain't You Trouble" from the album "Company Man". It swings like hell and has the indelible Primich stamp all over it. His harp playing on that track is just beautiful. It's one of my most favourite harmonica solos ever.

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WinslowYerxa
211 posts
Mar 03, 2012
10:10 AM
Sugar Blue and Butterfield are both on my bigger list. I'm happy to hear what you feel are their best cuts. As I stated in the original post, if you feel that someone important isn’t on the list, go ahead and give me your ideas.

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Last Edited by on Mar 03, 2012 10:15 AM
colman
136 posts
Mar 04, 2012
4:56 AM
james cotton doing any version of
"Black night" he does stuff on this cut that is so personal that it lights of the song more than any other harp song i`ve listened too.
atty1chgo
260 posts
Mar 04, 2012
6:32 AM
@ Michael Rubin - I prefer to reserve the word "legendary" for legends.

All-Star, Yes. Hall of Fame? You be the judge.

Last Edited by on Mar 04, 2012 6:37 AM
tmf714
1039 posts
Mar 04, 2012
10:23 AM
No doubt about it-Rod's in there-no current player swings like Rod on Chromatic-Dennis Gruenling maybe,bot other than that,Rods in a league by himself.
@jodancudan-I have seen Jerry perform that tune from less than 10 feet away-his VIBRATO IS the signature-

Last Edited by on Mar 04, 2012 10:48 AM
jodanchudan
549 posts
Mar 04, 2012
10:37 AM
@tmf714 I'm not saying his vibrato is or isn't signature - and I'm not saying the bends are signature. I said it was signature track and that the bends were a prominent feature. Surely that's true. As for the vibrato / tremolo thing, no doubt he uses both here, but I'm sitting less than 10 feet from my headphones and a lot of it certainly sounds like a fluctuation in volume rather than pitch to me.
tmf714
1040 posts
Mar 04, 2012
11:05 AM
Tremolo-


tmf714
1041 posts
Mar 04, 2012
11:05 AM
Vibrato-

jodanchudan
550 posts
Mar 04, 2012
11:24 AM
In that first video he's saying tremolo is the same thing as a side-to-side flutter? Maybe we're not disagreeing at all - perhaps we're using different terms for the same effect. My understanding is that tremolo is a variation in volume and vibrato is variation in pitch. And the flutter is a different thing altogether.
kudzurunner
3054 posts
Mar 04, 2012
11:57 AM
William Clarke: "Chasin' the Gator," "Blowin' Like Hell"

James Cotton, "Creeper Creeps Again" (much better than "The Creeper")

Rod Piazza, "Rockin' Robin" (aka, Little Bitty Pretty One)

Junior Wells, "Messin' With the Kid" off HOODOO MAN BLUES

Kim Wilson "Down at Antone's," "God My Mojo Workin" on Jimmy Rodgers's LUDELLA album

Rick Estrin, "Coastin' Hank"

Last Edited by on Mar 04, 2012 11:58 AM
Kingley
1843 posts
Mar 04, 2012
12:10 PM
Kudzu - Yeah man! All of those tunes are great.

The great thing about this thread is that I'm listening to many albums again that I haven't listened to in a while. I'm listening to Ludella at the moment. I'd forgotten how damned good Kim's playing is on that album.
Martin
46 posts
Mar 04, 2012
1:11 PM
@Winslow: Sorry, I was reading first post badly. Still, I´d find it hard to select a song for Butterfield. But the intro to "Everythings gonna be all right" on the live album. (C harp 2 pos) is a contender to Greatest Harp Intro Ever. The authority with which that harmonica opens the record, saying something that´s both comforting ("Here´s one very able and confident harmonica player stepping up on the stage") as well as raising the expectations for things to come. (Perhaps a promise not entirely fullfilled: 1st part of solo on "Driftin`", yes; then he goes into the acoustic part, and there´s not his forte.)
But the intro, smashing. The sound, that ferocious vibrato, the fast (although not very difficult) octave playing and the swift phrasing -- not heard in blues harmonica playing up to that point, I say.
WinslowYerxa
212 posts
Mar 05, 2012
10:32 AM
Thanks, great suggestion and discussion from all. Keep it coming if you have more to add on the topic.

Winslow
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Joe_L
1773 posts
Mar 06, 2012
8:01 PM
There isn't a version of Messing With The Kid on Hoodoo Man Blues. The original version was recorded for the Chief label. There is no harp on that recording, but a fantastic guitar solo that sounds like Earl Hooker.

The first version with harp was recorded for Vanguard. That version also captures the essence of Junior's style.
tmf714
1043 posts
Mar 06, 2012
8:08 PM
" There is no harp on that recording, but a fantastic guitar solo that sounds like Earl Hooker."
Not only sounds like ,but IS Earl Hooker-
kudzurunner
3062 posts
Mar 06, 2012
8:17 PM
@Joe L:

You're right! My bad. I'm thinking of the Vanguard studio cut.
Joe_L
1775 posts
Mar 06, 2012
8:17 PM
Not bad for a guess, eh?

The Best of the Vanguard Years is a fantastic compilation CD. There is some awesome music on it. The harp playing is top notch, too.

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Last Edited by on Mar 06, 2012 8:18 PM
GamblersHand
343 posts
Mar 07, 2012
12:23 AM
Apart from the others have mentioned perhaps Rod Piazza's version of Low Down Dog. Also I think his take on Pretty Ting (from Keepin It Real) has very inventive phrasing over a one-chord song, but not really representative enough of his style

Is James Harman on your wider list? Admittedly not the most inventive player but to my ears few can deliver straightforward riffs so effectively. An example would be Two Sides to Every Story, where the basic hook is relatively simple, but every time he plays it he brings variations and textures. Monstrous groove too.
Probably his signature harp track is Dirty Napkins

Gary Smith? I think his instrumental Minor Mambo from Blues Harp Meltdown is as definitive a harmonica rhumba blues as I have heard
mr_so&so
522 posts
Mar 07, 2012
10:31 AM
If this is still open for discussion, I'll suggest a couple of my favourite tunes from Winslow's list.

Kim Wilson -- Trust My Baby (1st pos, A (IIR), Tigerman)

Junior Wells -- In the Wee Wee Hours (Third pos., don't remember the key, Hoodoo Man Blues). Actually, I like the alternate take of this cut, on the recent re-issue of Hoodoo Man Blues.
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