blues
1 post
Nov 25, 2011
12:46 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW2mRF6-zJ0
It should be easy enough to tab for somebody who knows how to do that sort of thing. Also, what key is it in?
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Mr.
2 posts
Nov 25, 2011
1:02 AM
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1st position on B harp and 2nd position on E harp.
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nacoran
4981 posts
Nov 25, 2011
12:13 PM
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I'm terrible at tabbing. I have muscle memory that tells me how to hit a note, but not what hole I'm hitting. I have to sit there and put my finger where my lip is and pull the harp away. I think once you have the key of a song it's better training to learn it by ear than by tab.
Pretty tune.
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FMWoodeye
46 posts
Nov 25, 2011
3:11 PM
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@nacoran
Yeah, I agree. I avoid tabs like the plague. Oh, I don't mind a guru breaking down a lick or something, but I prefer to "sound it out" rather than go through the drudgery of tabs. After a while you become skilled at it. I remember a music professor at college having us "sound out" stuff on the trombone and telling us it should have been part of our early development. I did it early on at home, but my dad didn't like it.
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Jeffrey van Kippersl
62 posts
Nov 25, 2011
3:32 PM
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Amazing slowdowner?
Once you can tab it, youve learned to play the song, if you can play the song you can tab it.
I mean @ Nacoran, I cant imagine that you dont know what hole you play?
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Aussiesucker
950 posts
Nov 25, 2011
4:16 PM
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I hate tabs & cannot use them for playing. They are sort of like a road map but don't refer to them whilst 'driving'. If I like a tune that I have to learn I record it into Audacity & slow the tempo without changing pitch & learn by ear.
My reference to tabs is that they are a sort of a map that gives a starting point & can help you to navigate some spots that you might miss. However tabs that you access from online sources are often doubtful in accuracy.
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timeistight
221 posts
Nov 25, 2011
4:18 PM
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I couldn't care less what holes I play. I like to know what notes I play, though.
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nacoran
4983 posts
Nov 25, 2011
7:18 PM
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Jeffrey, not by number. It's all muscle memory. I never really used tab so my brain thinks in terms of which pitch I'm looking for and knows how far to move from the pitch I just played. If you tell me to blow the 6 hole I have to think about it for a second, and I have to pause going backwards too, which makes tabbing stuff out a real pain, but once I find the starting pitch for just about any song I could hum the melody for I can figure out at least the melody pretty quickly on the harp and once I've done that once or twice I can remember it.
My big downfall though is remembering how many verses and choruses different songs have. I have a vague idea of what hole I'm on, but not with enough certainty to write out tab without stopping and counting. I don't know if it has anything to do with my learning disability or not. I have something similar to dyslexia. :)
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FMWoodeye
47 posts
Nov 25, 2011
10:39 PM
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@nacoran
Some of us use different mental processes to perform the same tasks. I am convinced that my ability to read music inhibited my improvising on trombone because I tend to think in images, so I visualized notes, and there was a "hitch" in my transposing the notes...if that makes any sense. My epiphany came in pounding out some rock on a piano with a bass player playing the bass line on the same piano. I could improvise effortlessly just by using patterns and not knowing what the notes were. Decades later, I transferred this "skill" to the harp. I just visualize patterns and change harps to change keys. I know what holes I'm playing, but I would have to stop and figure out what the actual notes are. I do know some theory, but it doesn't help me while I play. It may help to explain what I'm doing, but I'm not thinking of "notes" in the moment. So I understand what Nacoran means by muscle memory. Our brains don't all work the same way. I know for sure my wife's brain doesn't work the way my brain does.
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blues
2 posts
Nov 28, 2011
7:59 PM
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...so does anyone want to tab it?
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conjob
134 posts
Nov 28, 2011
8:12 PM
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youre much better off taking the information Mr. gave you and working it out. As a starting point he's going back and forth between 6 draw and 7 draw on a B harp for about the first 20 seconds. you'll learn a lot more just sitting in front of the video with a b harp in your hand for an hour or so than seeking any more advice here. Just my 2c worth.
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blues
3 posts
Nov 30, 2011
7:07 PM
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That's great and all, but I'd just really love to have the tabs to this song and I'm not experienced enough to get them myself yet.
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FMWoodeye
69 posts
Nov 30, 2011
8:13 PM
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Dude, I don't mean to be a prick. Think of me as and old fat man (which I am), smiling and with my hand on your shoulder. Asking someone to tab this out for you is like asking someone to cut your grass. It's drudgery and time-consuming. Try it yourself, and then you will have experience. If you get stuck, lemme know, and I'll help.
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nacoran
5008 posts
Nov 30, 2011
8:16 PM
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Blues, take your B harp and start on the 7 draw. What people are trying to say, I think, is that you get better faster learning things by ear. Even when I was starting out I didn't find tab useful. I'd do it, but like I said above, I have a hard time tabbing. The 7 draw on the B harp should get you started though. If you aren't familiar with The Amazing Slowdowner, it's a piece of software that let's you play songs slowly without changing the pitch. It's really useful for figuring out songs. I think there is some pedagogical resistance from the members because some members are anti-tab. Remember, you are asking us to figure a song out that you haven't taken the time to figure out and then write it down for you. It's sort of the who give a man a fish vs. teach a man to fish. Try tabbing out a bit yourself. If you get stuck on a specific part, come back and ask for some help. You should be able to get pretty far in if you put in a little time on it.
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mandowhacker
94 posts
Nov 30, 2011
8:31 PM
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No, I belive that would be Pedigogian.
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STME58
36 posts
Nov 30, 2011
9:45 PM
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Nacoran,
I also started out on the trombone and am lost without the music. I don't think larning the music hinders learning by ear as much as we were discouraged from playing by ear as "proper" musicians read music. I was also playing mostly band, orchestra and quintet which leave little room for improvisation.
It is only since learning the harmonica that I can now pick up my trombone and pick out a melody fairly quickly. I have set goals for myself to become proficient at improvising on the trombone, and to learn to sight read on the harmonica.
I also have a hard time knowing what hole I am playing but I only resort to the finger method you mentioned if I don't have my handy dandy Korg tuner avalible to tell me the note.
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FMWoodeye
72 posts
Dec 01, 2011
6:45 AM
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@STME58 I started picking up horn licks and guitar licks on the harp to facilitate variety. I am trying to pick up bone again and find that I can use harp licks on trombone. They are similar instruments in that both have a limitation on technical expression....meaning they're hard to play "fast" as compared to a keyboard, valved or keyed instrument. Sure, there are trombone virtuosos who can play Flight of the Bumblebee, and I'm sure there are some harp players who can do it too, but a good high school clarinet player could master that piece.
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blues
4 posts
Dec 02, 2011
3:28 PM
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I seem to be having no luck with tabbing this myself.
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sorin
339 posts
Dec 02, 2011
6:20 PM
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blues, my take on this : you cannot tab it, you are not ready to play it .
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isaacullah
1689 posts
Dec 02, 2011
7:21 PM
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I have to agree with sorin on this. It's probably not something you want to hear, but I've come to discover that it's the truth. Believe me, a few years back, I was where you are. I just wanted the tabs, and I thought that if I had them, then I could FINALLY play the songs I wanted to play. I downloaded tabs incessantly from harptab.com and elsewhere. But you know what? Knowing the sequence of notes in a song, and HOW TO PLAY a song are two very different things. I learned this eventually (the hard way), but I think that if I had listened to the folks (many of whom are members of this very forum) who were hinting to me that I was probably putting the cart before the horse, I think I'd be a lot farther along than I am now. Even though I can learn songs by ear now, I think if I had worked more early on on this, I'd be a lot better at it.
My advice: don't worry too much about songs right now. Work on the basics, work in getting solid grooves, work on jams, work on developing that muscle memory that nacoran talks about. Once that stuff is groovin', THEN go back and start trying to learn songs... And when you do, try to think in terms of scales and scale degrees rather than hole numbers.
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jimbo-G
50 posts
Dec 02, 2011
7:40 PM
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I still haven't learned a full song all the way through and I'm nearly at 2 years playing, I mostly listen and copy riffs then kind of improvise with them.
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timeistight
235 posts
Dec 02, 2011
9:45 PM
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"think in terms of scales and scale degrees rather than hole numbers."
Quoted for truth.
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FMWoodeye
79 posts
Dec 02, 2011
10:54 PM
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I'm not sure what you guys mean by "learning a song." It seems to me that the harp player does background fills and chordal stuff and improvises solos. The melody is usually the vocal in the blues. Once you can play, you need the key and the chord progression and then you're off to the races...or am I missing something?
Unless it's a straight instrumental tune.
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