kudzurunner
2350 posts
Feb 28, 2011
10:54 AM
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Several were aired this morning. Here's one. Please watch. What's your response? I'll offer mine later in the thread. For now, I'll just say that I found it fascinating:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5aSa4tmVNM
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shbamac
99 posts
Feb 28, 2011
11:30 AM
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Who cares... And why?
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9000
61 posts
Feb 28, 2011
11:33 AM
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This is "fascinating"! After watching this clip and another one a couple of days ago I feel really grateful for the life I'm living. Apparently, celebrity and money can be very powerful drugs, especially, when combined with other substances.
All the best,
Jay
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RT123
86 posts
Feb 28, 2011
11:50 AM
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I dont think the media should even be reporting on this. If they really wanted him to be helped they would leave him the hell alone. Now he is forced to respond to the media and he is obvously in no condition to do that right now.
He is being self destructive, but its none of my business or anyone elses. Let his family and friends deal with it and help him.
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harpdude61
754 posts
Feb 28, 2011
12:06 PM
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I think he is trying to come clean thru a different doorway. He has a big ego and doesn't want to admit that he is close to a rock bottom spiral.
He wants it to seem like he always was and is in control....and he may believe this himself. Lots of people that are not addicts like to brag about one or two wild adventures in their life, but he tries to downplay it as something he did for kicks.
We all know someone that never admits a mistake, never says "I'm sorry", and doesn't understand why you don't agree with their way of thinking. It is a type of ego/personality.
It is very difficult to change who or what you are at the snap of a finger. If he does this, then more power to him.
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freewheelin
3 posts
Feb 28, 2011
12:21 PM
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His dionysien view of the world touches on the heart of music and the blues in particular
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ReedSqueal
95 posts
Feb 28, 2011
12:49 PM
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@ MyVeryLongUsername - Yup. [Classic symptoms indeed]
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Honkin On Bobo
620 posts
Feb 28, 2011
1:00 PM
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Well, that settles it. The MBH forum has recognized the symptoms and we now know, Charlie Sheen is officially Bi-Polar. Back up the...what was it? lithium?...truck.
Hey, anybody have any expertise in performing knee surgery?
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Aussiesucker
775 posts
Feb 28, 2011
2:17 PM
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Dangerous. Should not be out on the street.
I am really thankful for my boring normal life especially after hearing the rantings of this obviously deranged person.
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GermanHarpist
1962 posts
Feb 28, 2011
2:35 PM
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"I have one speed,.. one gear.. 'GO'" haha, awesome.
Isn't that the same room the president was interviewed in?
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The Gloth
586 posts
Feb 28, 2011
2:49 PM
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When she asked him when was the last time he "used", I'd have expected him to answer "5 min.".
What fascinates me is how that guy is not in jail or in institution. Or is he on parole or something like that ?
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hvyj
1260 posts
Feb 28, 2011
3:10 PM
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Snow-blind.
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Jim Rumbaugh
424 posts
Feb 28, 2011
3:21 PM
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A betting man would agree with everyone above. It's the safe bet.
I "want" to believe all I'm hearing. I will not argue with anything he has said. He is quick with his responses and he is accurate. Though much of what he says is unpopular or politicaly incorect.
What he says is what I say,"the proof is in the pudding" I have seen no evidence that he has missed worked or performed poorly. He has done things a lot of us would just dream of doing, but he has actually done it. The few that I have met in my life, that walked on the wild side, were not as coherent as has been in the interviews I have watched.
Until/unless he falls down, I say,"he's the man"
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hvyj
1261 posts
Feb 28, 2011
3:31 PM
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Until/unless he falls down, I say,"he's the man"
Well, purely as an objective matter, he did cost everyone working on the "Two and a Half Men" series their jobs.
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Harp2swing
7 posts
Feb 28, 2011
3:50 PM
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I dont know the guy personally so I dont know what is and what isn't true and the media doesn't help. Like the show though.
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rharley5652
408 posts
Feb 28, 2011
4:44 PM
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Till you walk in his shoes you have no idea what it's like being him,.they said the same thing about Elvis,Janis Joplin,Jimmy Hendrix,Jim Morrison,.
Sometimes it's hard to live with Fame !!
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Jim Rumbaugh
425 posts
Feb 28, 2011
4:50 PM
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@hvyj Charlie did not pull the plug on the series, the producer did. He said he's ready to work. If they don't want him, He'll go somewhere else.
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dougharps
48 posts
Feb 28, 2011
5:50 PM
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As far as Charlie is an individual adult, I wish him luck with his approach. As an individual he is entitled to choose his path, even if it leads to a cliff. Hopefully he will not go off the cliff, either due to his own strength, and/or with the support of friends and family.
The "star" lifestyle can lead to a kind of media "feedback" and escalation of behavior. Like a mic in front of an amp. The whole world is a stage for Charlie, and though he was previously playing a toned down shadow of himself, he is now playing himself large.
I do have concerns about kids being around him if his lifestyle is as he reports.
I can't diagnose him as bipolar (not a psychiatrist or psychologist), but he sure displays the characteristics. To me, the only use for a label like bipolar is if the label offers a remedy, and not just a category. If lithium is the remedy, will it kill the spark of creativity and energy that has made him successful?
There have been lots of artists and performers whose "passion" and creativity was linked to what is labeled as mental illness. Lots of artists and performers that self medicated with drugs and alcohol.
But I do have concern about the kids...
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nacoran
3851 posts
Feb 28, 2011
6:07 PM
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His antics getting Two and a Half Men cancelled might just be the single greatest gift any one man has given to civilization. It will never make up for shooting the other seasons but it's a start!
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blueswannabe
94 posts
Feb 28, 2011
7:29 PM
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Either we are witnessing an unraveling of a human being from the standpoint of acceptable human behavior and mores or someone who exhibits complete honesty, coupled with some frustration of how he is interpreted, while making no apology for his own actions, in so far as it relates to him. His basic approach is "it's not me with the problem it's you and how you view me." Most people will call this denial. But from whose standpoint, that of society. It's like Al Paccino's character "Im not out of order you're out of order, you're all out of order." It's fascinating but if you pitied him he would laugh at you and tell you to pity yourself. Whose point of view do you wish to judge him by, that of society or that of the individual.
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joeleebush
216 posts
Feb 28, 2011
7:53 PM
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It is amazing that I am reading this!
Aren't most of you supposed to be "tolerant, open minded, non-judgmental" liberals who embrace ALL of the human race and realize that this man is not at fault on his own? "Society" caused it, no doubt about it.
How many times have I heard..."after all, who am I to judge?"
These posted responses are something like a right wing, bigoted, biased,judgemental, war mongering,mean spirited, no good SOB like me would type. mmmmmmmmm?????
I am flabbergasted...."extremism" again, you know.
LOL...Gotta just love this thread. Just LOVE it!
Byeeeeeeeeeee.
Stay happy...in the pursuit of happyness.
Regards,
Me
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Miles Dewar
743 posts
Feb 28, 2011
8:03 PM
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I'm just happy that the worst show on tv is finally going to end (2 1/2 men).
3 million an episode? Please.
He can go back to the career he had before two and a half men. Back to having the career of Charlie Sheen. Like his brother's....
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djm3801
346 posts
Feb 28, 2011
8:06 PM
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Never saw the show as I never watch network TV. Really enjoyed some of his movies like Hot Shots, etc. Seemed like a regular guy. I guess he got carried away on the wild side. He is either very sick or a moron, but either way at this time he seems quite self destructive. He is far from a child. Lastly, in the face of the world as it is today and things people should be paying attention to, his dilemma, and that of Lindsay Lohan, is getting way too much attention. It is sad but not important.
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Dog Face
95 posts
Feb 28, 2011
8:23 PM
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"that's how I roll" haha. Good boy.
The dude's got issues. Serious issues. That's all I'm really qualified to say about that.
I'm with Nate and Miles- stellar show...
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Jehosaphat
4 posts
Feb 28, 2011
9:03 PM
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Are there not a million crap sites on the 'net where the puerile lives of 'celebrities' can be discussed..and not one of them plays Harp..well ok Mr Willis..I went to the dentist the other day to catch up on the National Geographic and Readers Digest ;-)and whadda i get "Womens mags" ,shit Oprah has lost 2 pounds ..yada yadda.
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bonedog569
230 posts
Feb 28, 2011
10:02 PM
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For better or worse - a degree of hypomania has always affected/inspired/fueled/afflicted - some percentage of our artists - including musicians. It is the 'high' stage of bipolar disease (manic depression) during which a person can still funcion - but is buzzing with energy, ideas, verbiage etc. It is usually 'treatable' - but those on the 'high' often don't want to be treated. - the low is another matter. .
Unless a person is a clear danger to himself or others - they have the legal right to refuse treatment. There is no simple solution to this. ethically or legally. There is even an argument to be made that we are culturaly richer for this - because of the art / music that is produced as a byproduct.
I asked a person I once met who was affected by this condition, why they like to take drugs like cocaine - as they where already 'wound quite tight' as it is. They explained that it actually calms them down and gives them some peace. - Like ritilan for ADD kids. A type of self medication. I don't know if this is true or not - I'm just repeating the what they told me.
People very close to me have had bipolar disease but thankfully have had it under control for many years now and lead 'normal' productive lives, have ongoing loving relationships etc. Not everyone wants to be 'normal' though - despite the complications and risks to their personal health and their relationships.
I wish Charlie and others who suffer from this peace - though that doesn't seem to be what Charlie wants right now.
see excerpt from a related article below or read the whole article here:
http://counsellingresource.com/distress/mood-disorders/hypomanic-symptoms.html
Criteria for Hypomanic Episode
A. A distinct period of persistently elevated, expansive, or irritable mood, lasting throughout at least 4 days, that is clearly different from the usual non-depressed mood.
B. During the period of mood disturbance, three (or more) of the following symptoms have persisted (four if the mood is only irritable) and have been present to a significant degree:
inflated self-esteem or grandiosity
decreased need for sleep (e.g., feels rested after only 3 hours of sleep)
more talkative than usual or pressure to keep talking
flight of ideas, or subjective experience that thoughts are racing
distractibility (i.e., attention too easily drawn to unimportant or irrelevant external stimuli)
increase in goal-directed activity (either socially, at work or school, or sexually) or psychomotor agitation
excessive involvement in pleasurable activities that have a high potential for painful consequences (e.g., engaging in unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions, or foolish business investments)
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earlounge
298 posts
Feb 28, 2011
10:25 PM
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This man is an entertainer. This shit is extremely entertaining. It has a huge amount of publicity. I see a book deal.
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gene
688 posts
Feb 28, 2011
10:33 PM
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He didn't strike me as being nuts....Just different. He seemed pretty sane (for the most part), in fact. He strikes me as being different. And he seems to know himself fairly well, except that doesn't know he's not invincable. That's a part of him that hasn't grown up. Don't all of us "sane" people have our own ecentricities?
He has anger. That doesn't mean he's nuts. He showed a lot of energy. That might make him look nuts.
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TahoeMike00
160 posts
Feb 28, 2011
10:40 PM
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@Nacoran - I have no allegiance to the show, I could take it or leave it. But I am simply curious... why such disdain for the show?
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rharley5652
409 posts
Feb 28, 2011
11:55 PM
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Hell at 3 million an episode I would not care if you liked me or the Hookers I get Hi with >< LOL
An now a word from our sponsor who started this thread!
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bonedog569
231 posts
Mar 01, 2011
12:11 AM
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I could be wrong. That's been known to happen. He may just have an incredible ego some anger and retribution issues. I'm not really a doctor - I just play one on mbh.
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captainbliss
447 posts
Mar 01, 2011
2:40 AM
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Sure I'm not the only lithium-taking manic depressive reading this thread (although perhaps the only one who'll put his hand up?) and...
So far, so good!
Nice to see some sensitivity.
A couple of thoughts:
1. Labelling bipolar as a disease doesn't quite fit. It's a condition. Depressive / manic episodes can certainly be seen as illness, but these are symptoms of the condition.
2. Self-medication: SWIM (someone who isn't me) could tell you that yes!
(a) people with mental health problems often turn to (il)legal drugs to adjust their state of mind.
(b) one of the surest signs of having ADHD is that cocaine calms and focuses your mind (it forces your brain to produce more dopamine, levels of which are erratic in the brains of ADHDers).
As for Charlie Sheen...
Isn't it interesting how we label others "deviant" when they don't play the same social games or subscribe to the same values?
Further reading (for those interested) on how labels of mental illness are used to explain / label / denigrate such deviants might start with the Wikipedia article on the anti-pyschiatry movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-psychiatry).
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7LimitJI
400 posts
Mar 01, 2011
4:13 AM
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
Was Charlie Sheen depressed and started taking drugs, or is he depressed because of the drugs?
I watched the video and saw a sad,deluded individual who needs help.
If he was not rich, he would probably be in jail now,for some crime committed to feed his habit.
There are thousands like this in the world, but because of his celebrity,people like to gawp at him.
He's ill. If he had cancer would you still want to watch it? If he was a beggar off the street,would you be interested in it?
The only useful purpose for this video would be to use in an anti-drug campaign.
"Labelling bipolar as a disease doesn't quite fit. It's a condition."
The condition is caused by a chemical imbalance of the brain.
I label it an insidious disease that destroys individuals and wrecks families.
@Gene "He didn't strike me as being nuts....Just different. He seemed pretty sane"
This a classic misconception.
Not all with mental illness present as being "nuts"
There are many brilliant bipolar sufferers. Artists, scientists,actors, musicians.
And many other "average" people who manage their illness and you would never know.
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jbone
499 posts
Mar 01, 2011
4:32 AM
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i think his one statement about how ineffective AA is, is incorrect. he said something like maybe 5% make it to a sober life with AA, and that may actually be a high estimate. a lot of people walk in the doors, hang around for a bit, and are not seen again. some few walk in and come back every time they need to, and actually get sober. eventually certain facts are internalized and some become willing participants in their recovery from alcohol and/or other substances.
success in my experience involved a deflation of the ego at a real depth. realizing where one stands, accepting that, and asking for help is just the beginning, and the whole program is not easily understood by people not willing to do anything- ANYthing- to be free of their addiction.
usually addictive behavior is a mask for deeper problems like some of those above. i imagine i could have been diagnosed as having several different mental problems when i was in the thick of my addiction. fortunately for me there was a room full of people who had been where i was and had found something that worked. and they shared it with me. and it worked, not perfectly and certainly not without my full cooperation. and NOT overnight.
this coming month, if i keep doing what has worked every day, minute, second, i will be 24 years clean and sober. at some point the ideas and principles and behavior went from being words in a book and practices to keep busy with, to internalized tools for keeping me reasonably sane and moving forward in my emotional and spiritual life.
success is hard to measure in a recovery program since it's a true inside job. imho, failure is much easier to see since the behavior is so over-the-top.
i am no authority on what works except for knowing what worked for me. i would guess that without a real surrender brought on by the desperation of having no options aside from jails, institutions, or death, that some folks will not get the gift of real recovery.
i didn't come from a famous family or inherit big intellect or killer good looks, i have no hugely successful tv show (which btw i love his show- it reminds me of how things could look so good sometimes),
i am a workin dog like a lot of the population. but before i got firmly on the path of recovery, i can tell you all, i learned very little about what to actually do with a harp, or my voice, or my lyric writing skills. i was basically unteachable due to my own inflated perception of my importance (or lack of) in the grand scheme of things.
mr. sheen has accomplished a lot in his life without a doubt. but at this point the hollywood media machine will, i predict, give him plenty of airplay while he's acting the way he is, and forget him when the next high profile star comes along. possibly when that happens he may find a way to get a sane life back if he wants it.
i wish him the best. part of me wonders what planet he thinks he's from. i spent my share of time standing in the back yard waiting for the mother ship to come back my own self.
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Jim Rumbaugh
426 posts
Mar 01, 2011
5:14 AM
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After watching today's interview on TODAY it struck me:
He's just been re-wired for 2-20 [rimshot]
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HarpNinja
1152 posts
Mar 01, 2011
6:33 AM
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He is a winner who is winning. He will continue to win in the future because he is a winner. If you aren't on board with Charlie then you are obviously not a winner, because Charlie is always poised for victory...as he is a winner. All those hating the winner that is Charlie Sheen, be prepared to apologize while licking his feet.
You may now continue losing in your small houses while Charlie continues winning in his huge house.
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Pluto
129 posts
Mar 01, 2011
6:37 AM
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Ok, I'll bite.
He is right about one thing for sure. He gets paid the amount he gets paid because he's very good at what he does, and because of that the show is extremely popular. He makes the claim that he brings his "A" game to work with him everyday, doesn't miss a shoot,always knows his lines and is never high on the job. For that he does bring up the level of professionalism within the entire cast. For this I admire him.
His drug use, womanizing, poor off set behavior and whether or not you "like" the show are just opinons.
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Pluto
130 posts
Mar 01, 2011
6:41 AM
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oh, one more thing.
He's playing himself on the show. A character he is very familiar with.
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Mojokane
305 posts
Mar 01, 2011
9:24 AM
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rehab...via the media...and still non-apologetic..
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Joe_L
1106 posts
Mar 01, 2011
9:28 AM
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Well, the man certainly is living his life to it's fullest. He's also done some shit that would have gotten most of us locked up for a while. Unfortunately, he's on a path that is likely headed for destruction. I feel sorry for his family members and his five kids. It saddens me to watch this crap play out in the media for a cheap attempt to grab ratings.
Well Adam, what do you say?
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chromaticblues
645 posts
Mar 01, 2011
9:37 AM
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@7LimitJI That was well put! Very good description of the situation.
@ HarpNija Do you sMoKe CrAcK?
He's just self absorbed! There's only one person in world that is important to him and thats him.
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HarpNinja
1153 posts
Mar 01, 2011
9:54 AM
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@chromaticblues
Have you even heard or read his recent interviews? He continually refers to winning and being a winner over and over. He also stated that CBS should apologize while licking his feet. The comment about the small houses was also a reference to his contempt for CBS. I was being sarcastic.
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bonedog569
232 posts
Mar 01, 2011
9:57 AM
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@captainbliss - thank you for being open - the more this fairly common condition is de-stigmatized the better. Jbone - the same can be said of your openess re. your addiction struggles.
SWIM (someone who isn't me) -funny - I like that. In my case I am honestly referring both to someone in my family (not myself) and coincidentally, someone outside the family I recently spent a good bit of time with. Hopefully I would be open about if it where me personally. - I am far less than the perfect specimen - that's for sure, but that's OT this OT
if the word 'disease' is used to stigmatize or disparage, or taken that way - it shouldn't be . The condition does have to do with a chemical imbalance which Lithium - a salt, not really a drug - helps to re-balance.
@7Limit You make some good points. I / we are to some extent, guilty of 'enteraining' ourselves with this celebreties illness. We ought to look at ourselves and our society in that regards. Hopefully it will lead to more awareness of if this condition.
fyi (this is probably more suited to a BP support board) but the person close to me did switch successfully to Depakote after the beginnings of possible kidney issues. As miraculous as it can be- you don't want to be on lithium for too many years if you can avoid it.
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chromaticblues
646 posts
Mar 01, 2011
10:24 AM
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@ HarpNinja Yeah I heard the interviews! I thought you were being serious! Thats good!! Your to young for CrAcK!!!
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Stevelegh
73 posts
Mar 01, 2011
12:00 PM
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Some great posts on the subject. I found Mr Sheen disturbing, yet inspirational.
Come on Adam, I think everyone's had their say. What's on your mind?
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The7thDave
227 posts
Mar 01, 2011
12:03 PM
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So is he coming to Hill Country or not?
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MrVerylongusername
1583 posts
Mar 01, 2011
12:39 PM
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As someone who works with and support people with learning disabilities and mental health problems, one thing that annoys me is the old chestnut that hypomanic people are somehow blessed with a gift of creativity.
It's an unarguable fact that some talented creative people are/were bi-polar - there is definitely a link - but not everyone who has this condition is Van Gogh or Beethoven. Make no mistake, lives can and are destroyed by this condition.
I have said his behaviour bears all the hallmarks of hypomania, but I'm not a clinician and diagnosis by media is perhaps not the best approach. If he is indeed bi-polar, then his situation is a little different to the 'norm'. Charlie has an obscene amount of money. He can afford clean safe drugs; he can afford to be an addict without having to find other ways to finance his self-medication (to stave off the lows). He can go on wild benders and huge spending sprees without it having an impact on his financial life. He is a star - so he's already 'different' (in his own eyes) to the average Joe. I don't see any of these things as helping him. He's on an upward spiral
I hope those people who love him are able to get through to him before he really hits the manic stage and explodes - seriously - there is the potential of much more extreme behaviour than he's shown so far. Where he is now, with clinical help and good PR he can recover from in time.
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KingoBad
631 posts
Mar 01, 2011
12:40 PM
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Now that would be something!
"You borrow my brain for five seconds and just be like 'Dude, can't handle it. Unplug this bastard.'"
Bringing Crazy to the Hill Country to compliment all of that Mojo...
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hvyj
1262 posts
Mar 01, 2011
1:25 PM
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I think it was Robin Williams who said "Cocaine is God's way of telling you that you're making too much money."
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toddlgreene
2674 posts
Mar 01, 2011
1:28 PM
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Charlie can crash with us in the NOLa cabin. His superior brain won't be able to handle it at first, but he'll adjust.
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