harpdude61
695 posts
Jan 25, 2011
11:23 AM
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What do you guys call timbre and how do you pronounce it?..lol
Would it be like if I played a big 2 hole draw on a Golden Melody and then played exactly the same way, volume and embrochure, on a Manji...would you say they have different tones or timbres?...please confuse me.
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hvyj
1179 posts
Jan 25, 2011
11:35 AM
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It's pronounced TAMBURR. Play a 4 draw into a fender champ through a bullet mic and play a 4 draw on the same harp into the PA through an Audix Fireball and the note will have different timbre.
One can also vary timbre with technique. Dave Barrett uses the term "presentation" to refer to timbre in situations where timbre is varied through technique. Timbre is a formal musical term of art.
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ridge
165 posts
Jan 25, 2011
11:37 AM
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I thought it was pronounced tamber/tambour.
If you played the same hole on the same key of harmonica in the same way, but on different models of harmonica, I would say they have different tone.
If you were able to play a 2 hole draw on a C harp, the note G, and then pick up a Saxophone and play the same note in the same octave at the same volume, then it would be a different timbre.
That's my take -- sorry I couldn't make it more confusing!
EDIT - I see hvyj beat me to it and has rendered me obsolete.
Last Edited by on Jan 25, 2011 11:39 AM
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harpdude61
696 posts
Jan 25, 2011
11:42 AM
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Thanks guys. SO could I say.."Both trumpet players had great tone, but the timbre of their instruments was a little different?
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nacoran
3708 posts
Jan 25, 2011
12:08 PM
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Tamber
Tambra
Timber
The quality of a sound as given to it by it's overtones.
Timbre
It seems you can legitimately pronounce it at least three different ways! I always heard it pronounced as a homonym for timber, but that's just how we roll on the East Coast USA! (I have no idea where on the East Coast I picked up that pronunciation, having spent formative years in Florida, Pennsylvania, New York and Maine.)
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saregapadanisa
328 posts
Jan 25, 2011
2:01 PM
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Straight from the Grove Dictionnary of Music :
"A term describing the tonal quality of a sound; a clarinet and an oboe sounding the same note at the same loudness are said to produce different timbres. Timbre is a more complex attribute than pitch or loudness, which can each be represented by a one-dimensional scale (high–low for pitch, loud–soft for loudness); the perception of timbre is a synthesis of several factors, and in computer-generated music considerable effort has been devoted to the creation and exploration of multi-dimensional timbral spaces. The frequency spectrum of a sound, and in particular the ways in which different partials grow in amplitude during the starting transient, are of great importance in determining the timbre."
As for pronunciation, being a french native speaker and "timbre" being a word of french origin, I always have hard times saying french words with english accent.
Try Google translate, it gives an audio for almost every word.
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nacoran
3711 posts
Jan 25, 2011
2:28 PM
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saregapadanisa- the link I included has audio pronunciations, but it has three different versions.
When I was a kid I used to warsh behind my ears every night (Pennsylvania Dutch accent). I've been known to slip into saying y'all around people with Southern accents. I've switched from pop to cola to soda to coke. I've made fun of the people to the east of me and their funny idears. I've had hogies and heroes and gyros and subs and speedies. Language is funny.
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Buzadero
716 posts
Jan 25, 2011
2:36 PM
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"I've had hogies and heroes and gyros and subs and speedies."
You need to get you a po' boy.
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nacoran
3714 posts
Jan 25, 2011
2:41 PM
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Buz, I've heard of them. I even know the history of the word, but I've never had the pleasure.
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