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groyster1
774 posts
Jan 23, 2011
11:22 AM
in the lee sankey video posted in germany the liner notes said he was playing first position-I was so impressed with his performance I did not notice-jimmy reed played a lot of first position but his playing pretty much stuck with the melody-who out there plays blues in first position?

Last Edited by on Jan 23, 2011 11:48 AM
harpdude61
684 posts
Jan 23, 2011
11:53 AM
I love playing first position blues. Sometimes at jams the band brings it way down on slow blues and I'll play the high end using blow bends.

I really like Mitch Kasmar's style. You can hear him here playing the top end of an"A" harp at the start and end of this song.

Last Edited by on Jan 23, 2011 11:54 AM
marcos
8 posts
Jan 24, 2011
7:52 PM
Check this out:

Todd Parrott
360 posts
Jan 24, 2011
10:27 PM
Marcos, wow! Thanks so much for posting that! That was awesome!
groyster1
783 posts
Jan 25, 2011
4:03 AM
now that is some strong first position!
MrVerylongusername
1515 posts
Jan 25, 2011
4:18 AM
Just found the complete recordings of Rhythm Willie (16 tracks) on UK iTunes for £3.49!!!

Look for Rhythm Willie - Harmonica Blues Essentials
groyster1
784 posts
Jan 25, 2011
5:33 AM
its interesting that little walter was afraid of going up against wailin` willie
harpdude61
692 posts
Jan 25, 2011
5:38 AM
Wow! I am now a huge fan of Rhythm Willie !
groyster1
785 posts
Jan 25, 2011
5:57 AM
I saw in the notes that willie was playing a G harp-that is the key that makes his type of playing most effective-you just dont hear that style much these days
MrVerylongusername
1518 posts
Jan 25, 2011
6:09 AM
Given that without overblows you really need to play in the upper octave, I would imagine 1st position blues on most keys above Bb would be too shrill unless you were a Pipistrelle bat.
scojo
197 posts
Jan 25, 2011
12:47 PM
I play 1st position ALL the time and love it. I use a ton of overblows to do it, though.

EDITED TO CLARIFY: I don't literally mean that I play it all the time and nothing else... I play positions 1-5 and 12 pretty regularly. I just meant that I play it a lot.

Last Edited by on Jan 25, 2011 3:18 PM
AV8R
114 posts
Jan 25, 2011
1:34 PM
@scojo I've seen you play live twice before (excellent!) and I notice you often switch harps in mid-song. What is your strategy behind that?
Thanks.
scojo
198 posts
Jan 25, 2011
3:17 PM
AV8R: first, thanks so much for the kind words. Where did you see me and where are you located?

Basically, I am switching positions... from 2nd to 1st, 3rd to 4th or whatever. Even though OB/ODs allow you to play chromatically, the different positions give you much more flexibility in terms of using scales, bends on particular notes and in other areas.

If you're careful and smooth about it, you can switch harps in the middle of a song and change the flavor of your soloing. You have to be careful, though, to not make the change too abrupt. The different positions can sound VERY different.
scojo
199 posts
Jan 25, 2011
3:31 PM
Here's a video of me playing in 1st position. There's some 12th and 2nd position mixed in, but the intro is all in 1st:



nacoran
3716 posts
Jan 25, 2011
4:02 PM
Wow, suddenly Youtube is running really slow. Scojo, what definition is that video uploaded in? I clicked on another video on Youtube and it loaded and played your video is only about 10% loaded.

Hmm... why do some videos load slow?

Why do some YouTube Videos Load Slow
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Last Edited by on Jan 25, 2011 4:04 PM
Greg Heumann
1015 posts
Jan 25, 2011
9:01 PM
"Given that without overblows you really need to play in the upper octave,"

Have to disagree here. The middle octave can be a little challenging but there are plenty of notes to use in the first octave in first position without OB. Listen to the second verse in the Little Willie clip - at 0:30 - that's him, same harp, first position, first octave, no OB's.
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RichardGjems
8 posts
Jan 26, 2011
12:07 AM
scojo: Great playing!

I did some touring with Mitch Kashmar in Europe and stole a lot from him when it comes to vibrato on the blow bends:

scojo
200 posts
Jan 26, 2011
7:30 AM
Thanks Richard, and nice work! Sounds great.

Nacoran: I am honestly not sure what resolution it is (uploaded it a while ago), but I was having similar problems.

Greg is right, and there's also a lot of cool stuff to be done in the bottom octave. "Highway 28" on the first Better Days album presents a great example of Paul Butterfield playing 1st position in the bottom octave (killer tune, too). Also, Hoochie Coochie Man by Muddy Waters (which I believe is Little Walter).

Last Edited by on Jan 26, 2011 7:30 AM
AV8R
118 posts
Jan 26, 2011
3:43 PM
@scojo Saw you play at HCH 1 and another time at Hopson's Plantation.

I remember you had a harp in your hand, one in your shirt pocket, and one stashed under each leg. I think on one tune you used all four.

When I play upper octave in first position it sounds OK on the blow notes, but sour on the draws....
marcos
9 posts
Jan 26, 2011
6:42 PM
I'm with Greg and Scojo. Don't forget this classic:



And, AWESOME, RichardGjems.


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