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Harp-tweaked 4x10 Bassman clone FS $700
Harp-tweaked 4x10 Bassman clone FS $700
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jimr
1 post
Jan 08, 2011
9:23 AM
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My regrets if FS messages are unwelcome here, but-
I am selling a nifty hand-wired Bassman I tweaked for harp.
Details, pics and sounds clips at the site below.
https://sites.google.com/site/jimdramps/home
Thanks-
Jim R
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isaacullah
1333 posts
Jan 08, 2011
4:54 PM
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Dear Jim R,
It is very nice to see you here on MBH. I notice that this is your very first post, so I would like to provide you with an introduction to MBH etique. Usually, new members will create a thread entitled "Hi! I'm new here!" in which they will introduce themselves, and tell us a little bit of their background. We're friendly folks here, and many of us will chime in on that thread welcoming our new friend to the forum.
After a little while, new members will begin to create their own threads, asking for advice or posting interesting videos or just talking about stuff they think is interesting. We'll all get something out of it. It's fun!
Then, maybe after several weeks of this kind of interaction, when we've all gotten to know the new member, that member might want or need to sell some of his or her harp related gear. They might think "Hey! I know what. Before I E-bay my harmonica related gear off to a complete stranger, why not list it over at MBH so that my friends there might have first crack at it! Maybe one of them might need it, or enjoy owning it. It'll be nice to sell it someone with whom I've had cordial interaction with. I know that I'll have a good experience selling my item, and that both parties can be trusted in the transaction because we belong to the same online community!"
The member will then go to the sanctioned FOR SALE thread, and add their item to the list of things for sale by forum members. It's nice to add it to this list because we can all find the new member's item there, and it helps keep down the number of independent threads for various items that are for sale.
Now, I'm sure you will be a very good addition to our community here at MBH, and I look forward to discussing many harmonica related topics with you, but I hope you see how this post--your first post--may give folks here the impression that you joined up just to sell your amp. I'm sure that's not true, but I thought I'd take this opportunity to bring up how it might look to others.
Sincerely,
Your friend in Harmonica,
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Last Edited by on Jan 08, 2011 4:56 PM
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Joe_L
968 posts
Jan 08, 2011
5:32 PM
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That's a very nice lecture.
Jim - Good luck in selling what appears to be a very fine hand wired amp.
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Last Edited by on Jan 08, 2011 5:32 PM
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hvyj
1023 posts
Jan 08, 2011
5:41 PM
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A lot of people never bother to look at the FOR SALE thread and appreciate a specific post that calls attention to what you are offering for sale if it is something that they might be interested in.
You've posted on harp-l for a long time. No need to go through rituals before putting up a substantive post here.
Personally, I think all the "hello, i'm new here" posts are a waste of bandwidth--no substantive content. You'll find that there is quite a bit of mindless drivel on MBH. There are some posts with interesting and thought provoking content or questions, but you've got to kiss a lot of frogs around here to find a prince every now and then.
Good luck with selling your amp.
Last Edited by on Jan 08, 2011 5:46 PM
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isaacullah
1337 posts
Jan 08, 2011
6:01 PM
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Adam set up the original "For Sale" thread to keep all items for sale organized and in one place. I believe he did it because he didn't want to have lot's of floating "for sale" threads clogging up the "front page" of this one page forum. It's a way of trying to organize the chaos that is MBH. Anyway, that's the way Adam wanted it, so I kinda feel we ought to respect that.
As for the introductions: they ARE important. I don't know who posts what where, or who is who on other harp forums, so it's nice to be able to associate a new screen name here on MBH with some detail about an actual person. Internet forums are rather "faceless", and not knowing who you are interacting with and where they are coming from is what leads to the potential to devolve into endless flame wars (as we occasionally get here).
Let me put it this way: If you went out to the local open mic night or to your local harp club meeting, and someone you've never seen before walks up and the first thing they say is "Hey. Wanna buy an amp?", what would you think about that person and the amp they are trying to sell? In real life things usually get started with a "Hello, my name is ____. What's yours?" type of sentence. This kind of conversation is never thought of as "wasted bandwidth" as it serves a vital social function. It is expected and necessary information that helps to set up a means of interaction and communication between two peers in a society.
Why should the virtual harmonica club we have here at MBH be any different?
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isaacullah
1338 posts
Jan 08, 2011
6:06 PM
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@tmf714: The for sale page is linked from the Forum How To, although I just noticed that the current link points to the for sale page from 2010, rather than the new 2011 one. GermanHarpist, can you update that?
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hvyj
1025 posts
Jan 08, 2011
6:20 PM
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If someone comes on stage at an open jam i have one interest: Can the guy play and does he know what he's doing in a group performance setting?
If he came up out of the blue and asked me if i wanted to buy an amp, I'd ask what kind it is. If I was interested, I'd ask to see it. I'll get his name at some point.
Nothing wrong with cutting through the bullshit. I don't care where posters are from or if they have jack off/show off videos. I'm interested in what they are able tell me about harp playing that i don't already know, and if i can learn something from them. I'm also interested if they have INTELLIGENT questions about some aspect of harp playing that they don't know about and are trying to learn and that I've already struggled through and might be able to help them with.
There was a recent thread in which several posters thanked me for some information i had provided in response to questions. that was nice. but you know, they didn't seem to be bothered that i haven't given my geographic location and personal particulars. MBH is about harp playing, not drivel. And, btw, many of the most notorious and obnoxious participants in flame wars have been formally and extensively introduced to the forum and identified themselves.
Moral of the story: talk about harp playing or music or some gear you have to sell and save the lectures for people who actually might give a shit about whether they happen to be conforming to your personal expectations.
Last Edited by on Jan 08, 2011 6:43 PM
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isaacullah
1339 posts
Jan 08, 2011
8:07 PM
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hvyj: Clearly we have very different opinions about what forums are for and how one uses them, and that's okay. It's probably clear to you that I'm a bit more interested in getting to know about the forum members and helping folks get along together than other folks are, perhaps yourself included. I love this place and I like to see it running smoothly. From my point of view, I think it appropriate from time to time to mention some of the "informal rules" around here, such as they are, for the sake of the new members who haven't been around long enough to see how the "rules" got formed or indeed what they seem to be. The "rules" are mainly just commonly agreed upon things that MBH forum members "do" and "don't do", and it's not at all clear to new members how this forum operates (nor, indeed, is it all that clear to even us long-term members sometimes).
If a new member should do something contrary to the way that they are "normally" done here at MBH, it's probably because they didn't realize that there was an established way of doing it. Rather than let them continue to inadvertently do stuff that might make others leary of interacting with them, shouldn't we say something to help get them off on better foot? Of course, this should be done in a nice way, which is what I tried to do above. If you read what I wrote to jimr, you'll see that it's not really a "lecture" but sort of a gentle indication that there are established methods of doing things on this forum, and that it might be construed as a bit "off" to make one's first post be a "for sale" post.
I think it's a nice thing to do to try to help new members figure out what the status quo is for this particular forum, as every forum has it's own idiosyncrasies. The better we all behave here, the more useful this place is for all of us, and none of us leave with our feelings hurt.
As an aside, I have no expectations from anyone on this forum other than to be able to interact in a civil manner and to keep the discussion at least moderately related to Harmonica, Blues, Music, or basic personal introductions and community conviviality. The community aspect of this forum is one of the most integral and important things that set MBH apart from many other similar sites. I think that the community aspect is one of the main reasons why so many long-term members have stayed as active as they have for as long as they have, and for me, it's one of the main reasons I visit this forum daily.
Cheers,
Isaac
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kudzurunner
2221 posts
Jan 08, 2011
8:22 PM
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I see all sides of this--I'm a cut-through-the-bullshit guy myself--and no harm has been done on any side, but Isaac is right: when somebody's very first post is a for-sale announcement, that sends the wrong signal. It's not a question of somebody not knowing about the "for sale" thread. Almost no new member WILL know about that thread, so it's the duty of current members to respectfully point the way, as Isaac did, rather than taking offense at the sheer fact of the offering.
The real point is: What sort of community do we want this to be, and, more importantly, what happens when we univeralize particular behaviors? Obviously this place falls apart when everybody's first post is, "Hey, I'm selling something." Since most of us recognize that, we evolve folkways that bend in the direction of creating some sort of community before we try to extract surplus wealth.
Having spent quite a bit of time busking on 125th street in Harlem, on the other hand, I'm entirely used to people I've never met spinning up to me out of nowhere, flipping open their coat, and hissing, "Hey, check it out." That form of human greeting doesn't offend me.
That's why I'm of two minds. No harm done, either way. It's probably best not to enroll in a forum just to sell stuff. But you know what? I did that once or twice. No harm done, on any side. Let's remain civil.
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