bazzzzou
41 posts
Dec 09, 2010
6:40 PM
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What is the diffrence.. is it only the comb ??
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chromaticblues
377 posts
Dec 09, 2010
6:44 PM
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Everything!
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MP
1100 posts
Dec 10, 2010
10:33 AM
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also the tuning. MBD is 442, CROSSOVER is 443. MBD is compromise tuning, CROSSOVER has a new tuning that's a variation on compromise.
different screws and laser etching. i think they may pay more attention to crossovers reed action but i'm not sure.
the reed plates are identical. the dates stamped on the CROSSOVER reedplates pre-date by a few years the actual year they came out (2009).
both are great harps.----------
MP
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Last Edited by on Dec 10, 2010 10:40 AM
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chromaticblues
380 posts
Dec 10, 2010
12:07 PM
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The Crossover is either made in its own building or with different equipment. I'm pretty sure (or atleast I read) that the Crossover is built on its own assembly line with all new equipment. The reedplates are the same for all hand made Hohners, but the slots and holes drilled in the reedplates must be done on different equipment if it has its own line (new and improved)!
I can tell there is something different about them when I emboss the slots. I'm assuming they use a more modern technique with the Crossovers. Whatever there doing different it is for the better!
The coverplates are different on all three. The MB has thin plates. The MBD and Crossover have thicker plates. The thicker plates on the Crossover may be why it sounds a little different than the 1896 MB. I can't play MBD's because the coverplates are shorter from the mouthpiece to the fold. My top lip goes up on the fold and it just doesn't feel comfortable.
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Gig74
26 posts
Dec 10, 2010
4:01 PM
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I have a crossover in c and love it, it's my most played moothie, however i'm still tempted by the traditional marine band.
My question is, if you have a crossover is it still worth picking up MB or MBD's?
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MP
1102 posts
Dec 10, 2010
4:56 PM
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chromaticblues,
don't mean to argue.
it's just that since the crossover is 443 (as opposed to 442 of the MBD) pluuuus, it's tuned a few cents sharper here and there on top of being sharp over-all since it's 443.
this is why it sounds kind of raspy to some ears.
BBQBOB posted the tunings on the Bushman site(a while back) and Rick Epping of Hohner-amends Bobs tuning scheme slightly while explaining how to tune it. good read!
@Gig74
MBDs are good. MB 1896s don't play as well as MBDs or CROSSOVERS. you might be disappointed in the 1896 since you already have a CROSSOVER.--------
MP
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Last Edited by on Dec 10, 2010 4:57 PM
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chromaticblues
382 posts
Dec 10, 2010
8:45 PM
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@MP No I didn't take it that way! We're just bullshitin' bout harps! Honestly I don't like the way any of them are tuned! I retune ever harp I play and work on. I don't even consider what the original tuning is! I only tune harps to my tuning or ET tuning. As far as the raspyness. No thats a Marine Band thing. Its not because of the tuning. I tune to 442 and my harps are very raspy! They get more that way with embossing. I like the tuning and that sound, but it really does make your harp a one trick pony! Its great for blues in the first three positions.
Alot of people bash on MB's, but they really do make great custom harps.
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MP
1104 posts
Dec 11, 2010
9:42 AM
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chromaticblues, right on.
i think the chords are raspy on crossovers due to the tuning. i don't consider it a bad thing.
i think 'brassy' is the sound you are refering to when you mention embossing. but it really doesn't matter. MBs sound great embossed. and better after adjusting the reeds. MBDs and CROSSOVERS improve nicely too.
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MP
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Gig74
27 posts
Dec 11, 2010
11:38 AM
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Cheers MP,
Thanks for that, sometimes you feel your just missing out by not trying one.
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