TNFrank
508 posts
Oct 23, 2010
6:58 AM
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Pulled the Deuce and a Quarter apart so I could get a more accurate reading with my calipers on the reed plates. They spec. out at .043" which is 1.092mm NOT 2.25mm so Hohner is blowin' smoke by saying that this harp has 2.25mm reed plates. Seems to be standard replacement MS plates(1.05mm) that are chrome plated(probably where the extra .04mm is coming from) and nothing more.
Still, it is a really great sounding harp and it does kind of put my mind at ease knowing it has "normal" thickness reed plates but it for sure doesn't have Double Thick or 2.25mm reed plates.
Last Edited by on Oct 23, 2010 7:04 AM
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MrVerylongusername
1312 posts
Oct 23, 2010
12:35 PM
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Interesting post
Maybe they made a batch with Meisterklasse plates for some reason and that's why they are going cheap.
or maybe they got tired of beginners returning blown out harps and just did away with the extra thick plates.
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GermanHarpist
1793 posts
Oct 23, 2010
12:53 PM
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Maybe it's 2.25mm when you add both reed plates togeather. Which, with 1.125mm per reed plate, is probably still noticeable in a thicker sound.
2.25mm just sounds much too thick, and as MrV mentioned, beginners will blow wreck the reeds en masse.
Does it really say that each reed plate is 2.25mm thick? Or could it be some ambiguous statement?
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MrVerylongusername
1313 posts
Oct 23, 2010
1:12 PM
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From Hohner USA
"225 – Deuce and a Quarter
Featuring special heavy duty chrome reed plates that spec out to 2.25 mm thick, the new 225 Deuce and a Quarter harp produces thick rich tones that will stand up to abuse longer than most any other harmonicas. This heavy duty harp feels great in your hand and has a loud voice that really projects making it perfect for Blues and Rock. The “Deuce” is a custom harp designed for players that are ready to rock and who want to look really good while doing it. It is available in a limited quantities and only in the key of A (to accompany jams in the key of E, which is most guitar players favorite key). This harp features special black cover plates and a black plastic carrying case with custom Deuce & a Quarter graphics. Available while limited supplies last."
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mercedesrules
45 posts
Oct 23, 2010
1:54 PM
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.....If they added them together in the description I would consider that highly fraudulent. OTOH, there might be a language problem but, still, I don't like that kind of misrepresentation on an official website. Who adds the plates together to describe them? They aren't together in the harp. >:(
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TNFrank
512 posts
Oct 23, 2010
2:31 PM
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Maybe they tried using 2.25mm plates and had too many problems so they just used the 1.09mm chrome plated plates to finish out the lot of 225's that they had. Either way it's a heck of a harp, if this is what a quality wooden comb harp sounds like (aka Blues Harp/Marine Band) then I'm really a fan.
I did pick up some Butcher's Block oil to seal the comb, stuff was kind of expensive, $14 bucks a pint but it should do a lot of harps and even my cutting board.
I really, really, really do think that I'm seeing where you guys are coming from with the cheap harp vs more expensive harp deal. This harp retailed for $60 bucks so it's one of Hohner's better harps and it sounds great, even better then the Big Rivers which I really like.
Last Edited by on Oct 23, 2010 2:31 PM
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N.O.D.
309 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:09 PM
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The reed Plate isn't a moveing part of the Harmonica
how can it produce sound?
The reeds on the reed Plate reverbarate when air is passed over it producing sound, if any part should be thicker it should be the reeds not the Plate:/
I would suspect these Harps are sold to Suckers who have no clue as to what they are buying or Talking about:)
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TNFrank
515 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:13 PM
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NOD, why don't you just get off my ass, I'm getting tired of you being there.
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Stickman
488 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:14 PM
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Nasty just responded to your question Frank chill out
At $60 it is overpriced
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Last Edited by on Oct 23, 2010 4:15 PM
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Greg Heumann
816 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:16 PM
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Nice, TN
NOD - the reed plates are a) a resonant component of the instrument and more importantly, b) very much involved in the turbulent air flow generated by the reed passing through the slot. I ain't no harp tweak expert but I know enough about physics to believe that reed plate thickness makes a difference.
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TNFrank
517 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:25 PM
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NOD is being a jerk to me like he's always been. I'm really getting sick of it too. I don't know why he can't just let things be and leave me the hell alone. I don't bother screwing with his posts, I wish he'd at least lend me the same courtesy. After all, it's not like we'd ever meet up for drinks or anything. Man, I hate rude people.
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MrVerylongusername
1316 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:26 PM
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"The reed Plate isn't a moveing part of the Harmonica
how can it produce sound?"
The reedplate doesn't produce sound, but it is the slot the reed travels through. The thicker the slot, the further the reed has to swing.
Thicker reedplates mean louder harps (as Greg says they resonate), at the trade off of potentially shorter reed life (greater chance of stress fractures)
The reeds on the reed Plate reverbarate when air is passed over it producing sound, if any part should be thicker it should be the reeds not the Plate:/
Thicker reeds would require more energy to set them vibrating = less responsive.
I would suspect these Harps are sold to Suckers who have no clue as to what they are buying or Talking about:)
no comment
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TNFrank
518 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:28 PM
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Basically, NOD is trying to call me a "Sucker" for buying this harp, he doesn't like me and wants to dig at me every chance he can get. Don't know why he has to be this way, guess his momma didn't give him enough attention growing up or something.
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KingoBad
453 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:29 PM
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TNFrank,
You bought another crap harp. There is a reason it is selling for 24.99. You did not get a deal - you got clearance. If you'd slow your guns down a minute you might actually make a good decision every now and then.
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Stickman
489 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:30 PM
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OH boy! I see a thread locking and/or an ejection coming. I'm out of here fellas..
Peace!
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MrVerylongusername
1317 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:38 PM
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Hang on guys, Frank bought a harp advertised (perhaps misleadingly) as having 2.25mm reed plates and has found that it actually has standard MS Meisterklasse plates on it.
However much his other threads have irritated me, I actually found this one to be quite interesting.
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TNFrank
519 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:38 PM
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Um, this is pretty much the same harp as the Blues Harp or the Marine Band, so are they crappy harps too?
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Buddha
2606 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:39 PM
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do double thick plates make a difference? Not really.
a while ago, Howard Levy only used double thick plates. He asked why I didn't. I told him it didn't make a difference. He was insistent that they did.
He played a note. I played a note. We switched harps with each other... no difference.
Since then, he's stopped using the doubles.
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TNFrank
520 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:41 PM
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Why is it when some of ya'll buy a harp it's God's gift to harp players but if I get the same harp it's crap? If you hate me that's fine, don't read my posts and don't reply to em' but for God sake stop messing with me, I've had about enough of it. This is a public forum where all are free to post as long as it doesn't break forum rules and as far as I can tell I've not broken any forum rules so get off me about it.
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Silvertone
52 posts
Oct 23, 2010
4:59 PM
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Hey thanks for the post Frank I was about to purchase that harp cause I wanted double thick chromeplated reedplates I had read a while back that thicker plates produced a louder sound. You just saved me 25 bucks. thanks.
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markdc70
38 posts
Oct 23, 2010
5:07 PM
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I usually just lurk and try to pick up the good info that's on here regularly. But, I gotta stick up for TNFrank on this one. I think this is a very post-worthy bit of info on an instrument we all are obviously interested in.
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Terry Allan Hall
1 post
Oct 23, 2010
5:58 PM
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Ignore the cretins, TNFrank, and eventually, they'll get bored and find new victims...if everyone ignored internet-tough guys, they'll have to find another way to get the negative attention they crave.
Back to the subject: Pity that harp only comes in "A"...that's a really dumb marketing move!
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KingoBad
454 posts
Oct 23, 2010
7:24 PM
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This isn't about being an internet tough guy. This is about calling out the BS. I side on logic and reason's side. That is the only place I wish to argue.
"This harp retailed for $60 bucks so it's one of Hohner's better harps"
Is this a statement that holds up to reason? No! I wouldn't let my 4 year old get away with that.
As much as we wont put up with misinformation from each other, we can't let logical fallacies stand either.
It the deuce and a quarter one of Honers best harps? Not from my experience, and not from several people I respect.
I appreciate that TNFrank is excited about his purchase. I have been excited about every harp I have purchased. Making fallacious claims based on the regurgitations of the info he has picked up everywhere including the marketing claptrap from Hohner itself is not acceptable.
I appreciate some of the topics he posts. They ARE interesting.
You just gotta put some time in before you can put the large amount of information in a reasonable context.
IF TNFrank had the experience to sort out his info, I'd be happy to hear it. Unfortunately he has ignored the wisdom of many of the people I respect here.
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Swezey8
12 posts
Oct 23, 2010
7:51 PM
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I have been trying to stay away from commenting on Frank's threads as many seem to become quite argumentive...but I'm siding with him on this particular one. Interesting bit of info that I'm sure quite a few of us didn't know before this post. If I read Hohner's description of the harp I would have thought the reeds were 2.25 as well.
Would I plan on buying one- no. But it's at least a constructive bit of info. Was he jumping to conclusions by stating that it was one of Hohner's better harps? Yes. But I think he was basing it off the original $60 retail, which compares to a MB Deluxe or Crossover, both some of Hohners "better" harps.
Probably will be my last post on a controversial TNFrank thread as I just like to pick up info and ideas, not worry about the validity of every forum member's posts. But I feel like he did share something worthwhile and maybe everyone can take each comment on its own, instead of basing comments on earlier threads about the best cheap harp blah blah.
BTW Frank, I know you have a few cheap harps that prob aren't great for advancing too far. Look at Turboharps website- http://www.turboharp.com/clunkers.asp
I spoke with them- any harp you send in will be a $10 rebate. They're just hoping for new customers by trying their products. Pick up a Sp20 or MB for around $20 with that rebate. You'll have a good harp for cheap and maybe you'll be happy with just woodshedding on one harp for awhile. Hope that helps
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nacoran
3056 posts
Oct 23, 2010
11:14 PM
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Guys, Frank, NOD, please read each of each others posts like it was from someone you liked and respond to the post like it's someone you are afraid of offending. You guys have both, on occasion, said some things that violate the forum creed, but I think just as often you've gotten upset by reading too much into each other's comments. That said, I read some snark in your comment too, NOD.
So here is are some virtual beers guys. Drink up and bury your grudges.
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N.O.D.
310 posts
Oct 24, 2010
5:30 AM
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Hi Nacca you know me a Bit of a Hard Muther ya Know Ive been booted from the Forum for being stupid Hay thats me:)
Recently had my Ass Tanned by Adam For being the Hard mongrel I am, You want all Bloody Chaple Boys come on I'm one of them MBH members keeps the Blood flowing
mind ticking:)
But i tell you it wouldn't be me, i couldn't live with myself or call myself a Man if i didn't do the right thing and come back to the Forum,
With out makeing an Open and Formal Apology to the forum for my stupid actions and apologise to the senior members for being diss respectful,
To me this is the right thing to do Hopeing in the Future some of those Hard Barsterds might stop rideing my ass:/
No I'm not asking Frank to Apologise to me Just who do i think I am, know ones got a Handle on that one yet especialy me:/
But I am willing to Drink the Beer lets see who else would pick up the beer if frank was to make a toast to the Forum:)
But Mind you when and if frank picks up the beer i will tell him to shove it up his butt and get me a Double Scotch:)
Back on topic Well my post has solved some mysterys about Double thick reed Plates, I meen a World Class Harmonicist and Harp Tuner gives the low down says there not worth the effort and make no differnce in Tone:)
Who do you believe, it's been good i saved a Bro some Bucks pulled a Lurker out of Lurk Mode, and Looks like i got a new member Join to bag me out this is a very productive thread indeed:)
Personaly i would not buy a one off production Harp thinking it to be more of a show pony or gimmick Harp,
you know like the BOB Dylan Harps, and Jack Danials Harps, to me there not worth the money and are junk sold to Stary eyed kids to make a quick buck:)
Sorry Frank i didn't want to say it is a Junk Harp thats MOP on Harps of this Nature.
KingoBad Had a real good say I'm Likeing his style:)
And Yes Nacca Mate i walked away from the Computer this Morning Kacking myself Had a Great day been dragged around shopping by Lady friends and Had a good Jam this afternoon:)
But you know every now and then a Had a sinister little Cackle to myself for being a Barsterd i nearly got caught out, but passed it off as my Medication Playing up i expected some flack but i had a Kack:)
But yeh Nacca mate I will drink the Beer after Old Mate Makes a Toast to the Forum:)
I've Had my say thats it:)
EDITE no i don't hate you frank yes ok i will respect your posts:)
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TNFrank
522 posts
Oct 24, 2010
7:36 AM
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I don't join forums to fight and argue with people on that forum even though it may seem that way to some of ya'll. I don't want to argue with you N.O.D. or with anyone else here. I just want to talk harps and gear and do some socializing with others who play harp.
I was told by some that I wasn't contributing anything productive to the forum so I offered up this thread for those that might be interested in this harp and the real info on what the reed plate thickness actually was.
I know that I can't offer up anything on playing because my technique is pretty basic and most if not all here are probably way more advanced then I am. I can try to offer up a little info on gear when I come across it in hopes that it will help to enrich the forum a little bit.
I don't hate you either N.O.D. but you do make me feel uncomfortable at times which gets my back up and I end up postings comments that I regret later.
Can we just PLEASE get along here? That's all I ask, is that we can at least respect each others threads and posts so we don't end up at each others throats all the time. I don't like the way it feels when we argue and I'm sure you don't either so lets just please stop it and be civil with each other.
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N.O.D.
313 posts
Oct 24, 2010
8:08 AM
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Ok Frank I hear you I'm Backing off But I'm sure I'm not the only Person on the Forum that would like to see some sort of open Apology, not in this thread lets see if you get a we Love Frank Post going..
You did Diss the Forum and a few senior members who you should have showed more respect for the time they went to offer there advice I'm Not one of them,
and i could read agitation in there replys:/
I been stretching the creed to the max Lately don't think Adams not rideing my ass waiting for me to slip up I made my Apology to Him in his Reminder to re read the Forum creed,it was a Blantant message to me:/ I don't wish to give Him any More Gray Hairs so I'm Backing:)
Yes a Fair Post
I will not discuss this topic further you know where i stand it's simple:)
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