N.O.D.
284 posts
Oct 17, 2010
7:20 PM
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I found this funny thread on another Forum check it out:)
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2688977
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Hasn't got a Clue:)
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TNFrank
456 posts
Oct 17, 2010
7:22 PM
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Doing a great job of keeping everyone here up to date on threads that I'm posting on other forums, Keep up the good work.
While we're on the subject, how bout some of ya'll give me some replies to this one over at the Harmonica Club forum.
http://www.harmonicaclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3721
Thanks.
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kudzurunner
1944 posts
Oct 17, 2010
8:05 PM
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I love the harmonica in a southern rock context--as long as the harp player can actually play.
Thom Doucette, who played on several Allman Brothers albums, was a terrific player:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Doucette
T. C. Carr is an exceptional blues player. He played with Dickie Betts and Great Southern:
http://www.tccarr.com/
And of course Mickey Raphael is a fine player.
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Ryan
369 posts
Oct 17, 2010
9:21 PM
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Frank, I read the thread from harmony-central, and I found it completely ridiculous and a bit frustrating. Are you really so self-conscious that you need to bring your disagreements onto other forums? You're constantly trying to argue your point to people and get people to agree with you, and when it doesn't work you decide to bring you're arguments with us to a whole new group of people. And the worst part is you go to these other forums and completely misrepresent other people's views (somewhere we're not likely to see and get a chance to defend ourselves or explain what we really said/think), and you build straw men arguments and try to act like the people here are being totally unreasonable, and you portray yourself as the voice of reason. The only reason I can see for you going to different forums and doing this is that you have a lack of self-esteem and you need people to tell you that you're right.
For someone who really doesn't have much interest in the harp(as you've said you're really interested in guitar and you're just playing around with the harp) and only has an interest in playing it at the most basic level(apparently you're only interested in playing at a level that would only take you about a week or two to learn), I find it really strange that you feel the need to discuss the harmonica ad nauseum on multiple forums. You've only been here a short time and you've already posted more than me, but again, you're really not that interested in the harp(I wonder how anyone could think otherwise).
It seems that even some of the people on the other forums are beginning to see through this act. One of the more interesting/funny comments from that thread was when someone told you "Just buy another Harp. That'll make you feel better...". Of course you missed the point and reponded by saying you couldn't afford to buy more harps. The same thing you kept telling us when we suggested you invest in a couple of decent harps instead of a bunch of cheapo harps. Of course you didn't listen and when you got your cheap harps you immediately started talking about the possibility of selling them because you didn't like them. When people reminded you that they warned you, of course you had several excuses of why you were still right.
And just a couple days ago you started a thread asking about how to seal a wooden comb, but you've told us all the harps you have and none of them have WOOD combs. So the only conclusion that I can think of is that you're already planning on buying another harp. For someone who keeps telling us that he's low on cash, and can't afford decent harps,(oh, and you're not really that interested in harps, or learning to play them well) you sure spend a whole lot of money on harps.
EDIT: I really don't care about the fact that you post on other forums. MY problems is your need to try and drag disagreements you've had on this forum onto other forums. It's just ridiculous. You're just trying to find people, who don't know the whole story, and get them to tell you that you're right and the people who disagreed with you are wrong.
Last Edited by on Oct 17, 2010 9:36 PM
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N.O.D.
286 posts
Oct 18, 2010
12:55 AM
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Frank Buys Deuce and a Quarter :/
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2689646
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Cheers:)
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HarpNinja
703 posts
Oct 18, 2010
6:13 AM
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Frank,
My "can't live without" harps are in A and C. I can pretty much fudge my way through just about any tune using either of those keys.
When I go out of town, those are the two I bring. Granted, I never admit to people I brought harps with me, but they are there just in case I have time to practice or jam with a band.
Regarding Southern Rock, I am huge Allman Brothers fan and have spent a lot of time not only jamming to their tunes, but trying to learn slide parts. Sadly, my previous band limited the amount of ABB influenced material and my current band doesn't really have room for it...but it is my favorite.
I've tried numerous times to even find a hobby band that would let harp do the Southern Rock thing around here, but I always get one of two respones:
1. Instant reply hinting that they don't think much of the instrument nor did they check out my stuff...they don't like harp.
2. And I am paraphrasing here, we'd rather have someone not so good at their instrument.
Number two happened again last week. It is the third or fourth time this year that a guitar player shot down the idea of adding me to the band because I would overshadow them. I know that probably sounds rather arrogant, but my point is there are a lot of crappy musicians out there that don't play harp. I swear, most bands open to harp want the harp player to add texture here and there and stay out of the guitar player's way.
In my last two auditions for bands, I literally made the guitar player stop playing after a solo. Both times I took my turn and then they made it a couple of bars into their solo before stopping. They couldn't think of what to play next. I don't think what I played was all world or anything. I think they were just thrown off that someone could put together a coherent solo over an unfamiliar progression and not play guitar.
With the first band, the rhythm section wanted to hire me before I left and it was agreed that I'd play with them. The guitar player called the next day and fired me. The other band kept me on board and is really fun to work with.
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VHT Special 6 Amp for Harp Blog
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hvyj
721 posts
Oct 18, 2010
7:02 AM
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Interesting. Some bands/musicians have preconceptions about what material a harp player should be playing--usually traditional style blues. Some of these guys will conclude you can't really play unless you are able to imitate Sonny Boy or Little Walter note-for-note. Ho-hum.
The bands I work with use me specifically because I DON'T play harp in a traditional style. My own band plays blues but in a very contemporary and improvisational style--anything but traditional for the most part, and certainly not imitative. The guitar player and I each take extended solos and we each play fills.
The other band that I regularly play with as a sideman is led by a guitar player who plays in an extremely wide variety of styles: jazz, reggae, blues, rock, funk, country, etc. He sings but also solos and improvises extensively over all of this material. My job is to play certain defined heads and back up riffs and to take solos in between the guitar player's vocals and extended solos or to swap solos with the guitar player to give the music some variety (and to give the guitar player a respite to collect his ideas). I use pedals fairly extensively with this band as does the guitar player. Sometimes the guitar and harp blend because of the effects pedals to an extent that one seems to emerge from the sound of the other which can be very cool so long as I'm careful to stay out of the guitar player's way when we do stuff like that. For the most part I don't play the harmonica like it is a harmonica with either band.
BUT the bandleaders for each of these bands each have a Masters in Music. So it's never a matter of them not knowing what to play. It's a matter of me understanding what they want me to play and then not abusing or screwing up the broad artistic freedom i am given. I'm learning a lot and having fun. i also wouldn't have these opportunities if i played my harmonica like it was a harmonica.
Interestingly, each of these gigs came about as a result of my sitting in with jazz bands (each of these band leaders also has a jazz band). I'm certainly no jazz player, but they would select material I could handle on a diatonic (sometimes showing me what to play) and they liked what I did with it. The audiences also seemed to really like my harmonica playing, which helped. Things developed from there but I wouldn't be playing with these guys if all I knew how to do was imitate SBW and LW licks. On the other hand, the other working harp players around here (there's only a very few) have gigs BECAUSE they play old time blues in a traditional style and more or less just like the original recordings. But, now that I think about it, they each lead their own bands and also sing lead vocals. I don't sing.
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TNFrank
458 posts
Oct 18, 2010
7:50 AM
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Something that I find odd is that a hand full of people here on MBH feel the need to jump in and defend MBH against me and things I post on other forums even though the two links that NOD posted say nothing negative about MBH. I think a few people here have already made up their minds to not like me regardless of what I post or what I say about any subject and that's really too bad because I'd be willing to bet that in the "real world" we'd all be fast friends.
I'm sure no one is being forced to read or reply to my posts either here or on other forums but for some strange reason you do. I never will figure people out in that regard, instead of just ignoring something that they don't care for they actually go out of their way to get more involved in it. That's some very strange behavior.
For those of you who actually posted stuff in this thread that made sense, thanks. Interesting comments and info.
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Ryan
370 posts
Oct 18, 2010
8:25 AM
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Frank, once again you're make another straw man argument. You're the one that's not making sense. Where did I, or anyone else on this thread, say anything that could be described as defending the MBH forum? Seriously, what are you talking about?
You want to know what is "some very strange behavior"? The way you feel the need to take disagreements you've had with people on this forum and go drag it onto other forums(and of course you completely misrepresent what was actually said) in an apparent attempt to get people to tell you you're right. Are you really that desperate for aproval?
I have not simply just made up my mind to dislike you, as you seem to think. I have even defended you when I thought people were being unfair towards you, but you've also done/said some things that I think are ridiculous.
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barbequebob
1355 posts
Oct 18, 2010
9:59 AM
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Frank, I also post on other forums as well so why are you making such a ridiculous stink out of that??? There are plenty of people on this forum as well as other harp forums that are not blues players by trade and so what??? I have tons of respect for them, especially truly good and great players REGARDLESS of the genre. My own thing is more of the traditonal blues thing, but my listening scope is FAR wider than most people who post on ANY forum and I actually do ENJOY listening to stuff outside of the blues genre, and it ranges from rock to classical to jazz to latin ato reggae and far beyond that, so again, what's your deal here???
Most of the harp playing by front people in most rock bands, be it Southern Rock or any other style of rock, with a few exeptions, is often terrible at best, and this is based on its own musical merits and have exactly ZERO to do with blues or anything else. In a two year period, I can teach just about anyone from ground zero to play as well if not better than those guys play.
There are some terrific players in the rock genre from Magic Dick to John Popper, but the vast majority of rockers who are playing harmonica aren't remeotely close to the level either of those players are.
If you're the lead vocalist, the strong point is supposed to be the vocals and being able to play anything else is nothing more than a bonus.
Most people listening to rock or most other popular music forms are far more used to hear crappy harp players than TRULY good ones.
In the case of folk/folk rock from guys like a Bob Dylan or a Neil Young, the harmonica or any other instrument being played is NOT the central focus and the focus is on the songwriting and vocals.
There are times you sound like the barroom drunk sitting two seats away at the bar ready to pick a fight at a moment's notice and so far, you're epitmizing someone who has been told tons of times and is too hard headed to listen that he's his own worst enemy and that is what I see here.
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http://www.barbequebob.com
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the_happy_honker
32 posts
Oct 18, 2010
10:12 AM
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TNFrank says:
"instead of just ignoring something that they don't care for, they actually go out of their way to get more involved in it. That's some very strange behavior."
True words, Frank, true words...
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ZackPomerleau
1183 posts
Oct 18, 2010
10:13 AM
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Uh, is it just me or does it seem like NOD is being a stalker? He goes on other forums searching out this guys posts, then posts them here. That's an internet stalker. Does he also try to find him on Facebook, or other creepy things?
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Shredder
192 posts
Oct 18, 2010
10:20 AM
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@ HarpNinja,
I fully understand what your talking about" Southern rock/ rockin Blues. Now I'm no master by any means but I have had several lead guitar players give me the impression the way I play harp intimidated them.
I got turned down a couple of times trying to get into bands because of the Guitar player.
I was so blessed when I was playing with "MileStone". I had a guitar player that could smoke his Ax but he appreciated the level of harp player I was and welcomed my addition to our sound. Hopefully in another 3 weeks he will finish his physical therepy and we can get back to what we had going 9 months ago before his auto accident and rock out.
Mike
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HarpNinja
705 posts
Oct 18, 2010
10:38 AM
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Best of luck @Shredder! My attitude is to always play with the 1.) people you like and then 2.) the best musicians you can find.
It isn't like there are two harp players in the band! There is room for both instruments and they can easily make each other sound better!
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Mike
VHT Special 6 Amp for Harp Blog
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toddlgreene
1933 posts
Oct 18, 2010
10:55 AM
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Mike & Shredder-it's probably an ego issue with the guitar players. Where there is only one guitarist in a southern rock band, the harp can play along with the guitar those sweet harmonized solos that are prominent in Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd, Marshall tucker, etc. It sounds very cool together actually.
You'll occasionally run into these musicians who have no clue of the capabilities of the harmonica in the right hands(and mouth). The majority of harp players they'll usually encounter play blues licks and nothing but.
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TNFrank
459 posts
Oct 18, 2010
12:28 PM
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I really just don't see the need for NOD to post links to threads that I start on other forums. If I'd wanted to post it here I would have posted it here.
It has nothing to do at all with running to another forum to get acceptance or get my ego stroked. I simply wanted another point of view on a forum where I've hung out on for a longer period of time and where people know me better, that's all.
There's just a few people here that want to jump on each and every post that I make with their negativity that I really don't feel that I can get a fair break here any more.
Granted, to be fair, there are a few here that I feel have really bent over backwards to make me feel welcome but that's all undone by people who simply can't leave me the heck alone about things.
There are things that I'd really like to talk about and questions I'd really like to ask but I just don't feel comfortable enough here anymore to ask.
NOD has even gone so far as to say that he's "watching" me and weather it's in jest or not it does kind of creep me out a bit. I don't know if he just doesn't have anything better to do with his time or what.
I know there are a few guys (BBQ Bob for one) that are on a couple other forums where I'm also at. It really doesn't matter to me, I'll post what I want to on other forums, I just don't see the need for it to be dragged over to this forum each and every time I make a post on another one.
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ZackPomerleau
1184 posts
Oct 18, 2010
1:23 PM
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NOD is a stalker, that's what I think.
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ianharpo
41 posts
Oct 18, 2010
1:35 PM
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or maybe he's just a N.O.D. eh?
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nacoran
3015 posts
Oct 18, 2010
2:03 PM
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"Are you really so self-conscious that you need to bring your disagreements onto other forums?"-Ryan
I have a slightly different take on it. I don't know as he's trying to win an argument so much as self sorting. If your playing style is Mongolian Throat Singing combined with zippy ocarina you go around to a bunch of people and say, 'Have you heard this?' If they say no, or I don't like that, you go on to the next group and ask them what they think. It's not about dissing or disagreeing with the first group, it's about finding the group where you fit. There is nothing wrong with that. And while he's looking, if he finds a group of Mongolian Throat Singers he can talk with them about that part of his quest, and he can talk to ocarina players too. He may find useful information in both places. He may even change his mind what he's looking for. A good quest for knowledge can do that.
NOD, unless TN is actively attacking people here (which I didn't see in those posts) please just let him be. (I know there was an issue with some things said before, but these don't fall into that category.)
TN, just as a general rule of internet safety (one I wish I'd followed a couple times myself) sometimes it's better to use different account names in different places. It gives you at least a thin layer of anonymity (although IP addresses can still be a give away.)
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clyde
59 posts
Oct 18, 2010
2:35 PM
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tnfrank
i have shot a couple of nod, nod, wink, wink, coments your way for fun...i hope they were taken in that spirit.
but i seem to remember quite awhile ago you posted that you had commented on the other forum about about your problems here. sounded like an open invite to come see.
i also feel like when you ask many of your questions that in another post or two you'll say it really doesn't matter or you don't really care..or something like that.
i'm not trying to jump your case....i'm just kinda wondering what's really up.
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TNFrank
460 posts
Oct 18, 2010
3:37 PM
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I've got a hell of a sense of humor, just ask my pards over at HC, we cut up and hack on each other in a good hearted way all the time.
As to this last post that Harmonicanick made, Dude, please don't drink and post. I don't have a foggy flippin' clue as to what your last post was about????
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kudzurunner
1947 posts
Oct 18, 2010
5:03 PM
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Another thread about nothing, crying out to be locked.
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