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What key for a "Carry Harp"?
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hvyj
647 posts
Sep 27, 2010
3:20 PM
Can't function with just a single harp if you are playing with other musicians.
jonlaing
107 posts
Sep 27, 2010
3:31 PM
My G harp gets a lot of mileage in multiple positions. G, A, B, C, D, and F are all easily available. It's even more versatile if you can overblow or have a valved harp to switch up whether a particular position is played major or minor... etc.
tookatooka
1750 posts
Sep 27, 2010
3:31 PM
A.
Then you've got A in 1st Position
E in 2nd Position
B in 3rd Position
D in 12th Position

That should cover it.


Whoops made a mistake first time round.

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DeakHarp
216 posts
Sep 27, 2010
3:47 PM
Whatever harp that wont get Pocket Lint in it ....
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tolga7t
86 posts
Sep 27, 2010
4:05 PM
If we are talking strictly 1 harp, I think D does it. Keys of A, E, and G (which are the most common ones I come across when playing blues )are easily available.
dudegizmo
4 posts
Sep 27, 2010
4:26 PM
The B-flat as it is the most enjoyable harp there is... not to high... not too low... if you must play with others then you need to be good as Howard Levy... but man.. get your self a side bag and go with at least five...

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Last Edited by on Sep 27, 2010 4:28 PM
clyde
52 posts
Sep 27, 2010
4:31 PM
Eb
KingoBad
410 posts
Sep 27, 2010
4:53 PM
Tooka,

You've got a cool harp there. My A can't play those keys in those positions....(except first)

Last Edited by on Sep 27, 2010 4:54 PM
jonlaing
108 posts
Sep 27, 2010
5:03 PM
@KingoBad Yeah I was just thinking that...

A
1: A
2: E
3: B
4: F#
5: C#
6: Ab
7: Eb
8: Bb
9: F
10: C
11: G
12: D

At least that's how it is richter tuned...

Also a very versatile harp, but I think the fact that you have "white key" keys in obscure positions like 9 and 10 makes it less versatile than the G. Not to mention you have "black key" keys on more familiar positions like 4 and 5.

Last Edited by on Sep 27, 2010 5:04 PM
groyster1
523 posts
Sep 27, 2010
5:28 PM
seems like most guitar players play blues in E and A so A harp and D harp are probably most common I really wish more players would play in F because Bb is my favorite harp I have never used Ab B Db or F# in a jam with a guitarist
nacoran
2827 posts
Sep 27, 2010
5:36 PM
TNFrank, if you are starting out learning music theory, C Major is the key to choose because it's got no flats or sharps to keep track of. It also lets you play along with a lot of 50's and 60's pop tunes and since it's in the middle of the range it's a good place to start for learning bending without getting to shrill. A lot of mediocre piano players play mostly in C so they don't have to worry about the black keys.

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bonedog569
80 posts
Sep 27, 2010
8:03 PM
Most Guitar players fave key seems to be A -If you are primarily a cross harp player than you'll have most luck with a D harp which also covers you in E third pos. An A harp to play in E cross would be the second in my kit, then a C to play in G. I just came back from europe and sat in or jammed in Copenhagen, Barcelona and London. ( see recent thread "my world tour" for the videos) I carried all three but mostly used the D harp. - Go forth and Jam brother!
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oldwailer
1354 posts
Sep 27, 2010
8:09 PM
If it ain't in cross--it ain't harp music--carry 'em all!

All the guitar players I have known favor the key of E--it's even called "the peoples key" at some jam sessions. Since I play old country-style blues mostly, I suppose the more modern thing is to play in A--probably because it's a big favorite of Eric Clapton--but screw it--I still like E. . .
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Last Edited by on Sep 27, 2010 8:13 PM
jonlaing
111 posts
Sep 27, 2010
8:12 PM
Yes, we should all only play in cross... that's surely the best way to advance our instrument, and ensure a diverse and expressive community of musicians.
oldwailer
1355 posts
Sep 27, 2010
8:21 PM
Only a harp player can say stuff like ". . .surely the best way to advance our instrument. . ." with a straight face. :O Guitar players don't have that much control--they just rip out another lick in E and drool.


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jonlaing
112 posts
Sep 27, 2010
9:04 PM
Well guitars aren't considered toys by most people either.

Just like a guitar player can switch keys on a whim on the same guitar, we should be able to play multiple keys and modes on the same harp IMHO. I mean, I guess if you're strictly a blues guy, you can get away with just 2nd pos. But for the rest of us, just because it's not in cross, doesn't make it any less harp music.
jonlaing
113 posts
Sep 27, 2010
9:06 PM
Oh, and if you're only playing cross, and mostly blues, I would say go with the A harp, TNFrank.
Ant138
586 posts
Sep 28, 2010
12:15 AM
Either a G,A,Ab or Bb depends on what mood i'm in.
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tookatooka
1754 posts
Sep 28, 2010
3:00 AM
Quite rightly picked me up on my key list. Thanks.

I think it should have been this.


A.
Then you've got A in 1st Position
E in 2nd Position
B in 3rd Position
D in 12th Position

That should cover it.


Whoops made a mistake first time round. OH bugger.
boris_plotnikov
253 posts
Sep 28, 2010
3:29 AM
For single harp I prefer Bb. But I always have 2 harps in pocket and 3 more harps in small bag along with keys and documents + 12 harp set in big bag, I don' always take with me (((:
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HarpNinja
648 posts
Sep 28, 2010
6:15 AM
If it is just to noodle on then typically C. This is mostly because I know all the note names really well and it makes it easier to transpose things I may want to practice, etc.

If it is in the home of jamming with someone, then it would be an A harp.
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ness
297 posts
Sep 28, 2010
8:00 AM
I'd go with a chromatic.
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strawwoodclaw
103 posts
Sep 28, 2010
8:30 AM
id go with this one.
oldwailer
1357 posts
Sep 29, 2010
12:26 PM
@jonlaing--I had no intention of offending you or anybody--I was just joking around. If you were offended, I apologize.

I personally don't really care that most people consider harp a toy, but I know it does bother some people, and I didn't mean to make less of that feeling. . .

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Stickman
438 posts
Sep 29, 2010
1:04 PM
@Frank, it looks like your best bet is to cary a Kit (A selection of harps) or better yet, don't sell your Folkmasters, throw them in your glove box and you always have a few with you and keep your good harps at home. I personally have a small harp case that I toss in the truck any time I think I might want to play and almost always have a BR in C in my pocket.
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Last Edited by on Sep 29, 2010 1:09 PM
jonlaing
114 posts
Sep 29, 2010
1:31 PM
@oldwailer - I wasn't offended, just making a point, as were you. Carry on.

@TNFrank - I was speaking more in quintessential terms. You only know how bad some guitars can be, because you play. To someone who doesn't know dick about music: guitar=instrument, harmonica=toys-that-makes-noise.

As for me, I'm in college so I rarely leave the house without my bag, so I just stick my set of 12 in there, and I'm always ready for a jam. When I do carry just a harp or two, I've had the most luck with an A and a C. Now that I'm playing more and more positions, the G is coming up as a heavy hitter too.

I don't really have those old "fall back" harps anymore. Ever since I decided I wanted to learn how to customize, I've been destroying all of my cheap harps.
jonlaing
115 posts
Sep 29, 2010
3:15 PM
@TNFrank Yeah that was the same thing with my girlfriend and my friends. I could only practice when I was alone. As I got better though, and my tone started to improve, I became more listenable... My girlfriend even ASKS me to play for her now... I would have never predicted that 8 months ago.

Hang in there, and know that your tone is just as important as any other technique.
nacoran
2843 posts
Sep 29, 2010
3:35 PM
Get cargo pants. With all the pockets you can carry around a ton of harps!

Or you could buy a bunch of Hohner Puck's and re-tune them! (They only come in C and G or as a Double Puck C/G, but if you learn to work the tiny holes on a Puck you'll never have a hard time on any other harp, and they are so tiny you could carry around a complete set!

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Stickman
439 posts
Sep 29, 2010
5:19 PM
Here you go Frank. This looks like it would fit your budget.

Cheap Hohner harp case

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Last Edited by on Sep 29, 2010 5:55 PM


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