Ant138
486 posts
Jul 10, 2010
3:17 AM
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I've just bought an Autographed black and white picture of Sonny Boy Williamson II off Ebay for £10
I have no idea how genuine this item is as there wasn't much info on the listing other than stating its from the 60's.
The seller is a Book shop, and i have asked where they got it from but i'm awaiting a response (i bought the item first and asked questions later, i thought if another harp player see's it they might just snap it up without questioning)
I hope the item is genuine, it would be great to own a little piece of Harmonica/Blues history like that but if not i guess £10 isnt too much to loose.
I'll try and post a pic when i get it.
I'm curious if any of you have any cool Items like this, Rare pictures/Autographs etc...:o)
Last Edited by on Jul 10, 2010 3:19 AM
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Ant138
488 posts
Jul 10, 2010
4:19 AM
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Here is the response i got from the seller when i asked him where he got the Autographed picture from.
Dear fiendant,
I worked with Terry Thornton for a good number of years. He
ran the Esquire and Club 60 in Sheffield during the 1960s and
promoted a great number of overseas and home grown
performers. He took loads of black and white photographs of
numerous stars including Sonny Boy etc. I also have a couple of
other good pics. I am using the funds to help publish a revised
copy of the Sounds of the 60s book about those times, and the
new Joe Cocker story.
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Last Edited by on Jul 10, 2010 4:19 AM
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eharp
702 posts
Jul 10, 2010
8:24 AM
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very cool, ant!
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LeeEdwards
71 posts
Jul 10, 2010
9:16 AM
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@Ant - If you post a pic I'll try and help you out. If it is item #140423518349 a red flag is raised for me straight away. I tend to get suspicious when the seller spends the time to add a photograph, but chooses not to display how the signature looks. Determining an autographs authenticity is all down to the signature so why doesn't the seller show it? I have collected autographs for the last 15 years as a hobby and have gone quite in depth taking authentication courses and handwriting analysis courses. I'll confer with some of the people I know as far as obtaining references of genuine SBII signatures found on documents such as contracts etc.
£10 does seem to be an awfully low price. Remember the old adage that 'If something seems too good to be true' and so on. You never know with eBay though. I have seen authentic autographs go for ridiculously low prices and non-authentic ones go for ridiculously high prices.
You can contact me off the forum if you like when you get the item. Click my profile name here and grab my email address from my website.
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"You will never get every possible thing out of an instrument, but the instrument will get every possible thing out of you" - Ray Charles.
Last Edited by on Jul 10, 2010 2:55 PM
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Ant138
489 posts
Jul 11, 2010
4:01 AM
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@LeeEdwards thanks for that,you're right that is the item i have won. i will post a pic as soon as i get it. The seller says he has despatched it so it shouldnt take long to arrive.
(I just checked out your website and noticed you're in Cardiff, i'm from North Wales:o), nice to see a fellow Welsh Harper on the forum.
Thanks again for your help.
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Last Edited by on Jul 11, 2010 5:07 AM
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DeakHarp
89 posts
Jul 11, 2010
9:28 AM
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You can ask James Cotton if it is authenic ... if you see him ...He lived with Rice for 9 yrs ....
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
486 posts
Jul 11, 2010
11:50 AM
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Harmonica guys, but not blues guys: I've got a signed Borrah Minnevitch letter.
http://www.elkriverharmonicas.com/minnevitchletter.jpg
I've also got a 48 chord harmonica (the one in the pic of me below), Kratt Octave harmonica and a Polyphonia No. 7 that belonged to Ray Tankersley, who was a Harmonica Rascal and in a couple of Minnevitch's movies. I've got a couple of Johnny Puleo/Harmonica Gang records signed by the Sgro Bros.
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www.harrisonharmonicas.com
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Ant138
491 posts
Jul 11, 2010
11:59 PM
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@ ElkRiverHarmonicas, That sounds cool. I would love to play one of those 48 chord harmonicas especially one thats been owned by one of the Harmonica Rascals.
Very cool indeed:o)
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MP
661 posts
Jul 12, 2010
12:16 AM
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i've got a circa 1924 hohner chromatic with the box that says 'the first and only practical one'
it actually plays and the slide spring is externaly mounted.
it is tuned like a koch so i didn't find it 'practical'. i have a koch i never use already.
but this is just something to keep as a bit of history. i swear the wind savers were suede.(they disintegrated)
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MP
hibachi cook for the yakuza
doctor of semiotics
superhero emeritus
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Ant138
497 posts
Jul 15, 2010
10:43 AM
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Well the picture finally arrived and its very cool indeed. The signature reads "To audrey From Sonny Boy Williamson". The seller, Don Hale also sent me a copy of his book "Club 60 & The Esquire Sheffield sounds of the 60's" in which this picture is featured.
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Last Edited by on Jul 15, 2010 10:44 AM
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MP
707 posts
Jul 15, 2010
2:14 PM
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i think it's pretty cool ant. i wonder if the signature is in ballpoint or fountain, as fountains were the norm for pens in the '60s.
even so, it would be creative for a forger to arrive at 'audrey' as the name of the fan.
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MP
hibachi cook for the yakuza
doctor of semiotics
superhero emeritus
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Ant138
499 posts
Jul 15, 2010
11:56 PM
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@MP, I've inspected the signature and it looks like Ballpoint to me. There are a couple of other scribbles on the picture as if trying to get the pen to work first:o)
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MP
727 posts
Jul 16, 2010
3:58 PM
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ANT, i think i'm wrong. ballpoints or biros were in england as early as 1945.
i went to catholic school in the 60s and they made us use fountain pens we had to buy from the school.
i think that's what confused me. i think it is most likely authentic.
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MP
hibachi cook for the yakuza
doctor of semiotics
superhero emeritus
Last Edited by on Jul 16, 2010 4:10 PM
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Fredrider51
144 posts
Jul 17, 2010
3:04 PM
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On the top of the book it looks like Joe Cocker am I wrong
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Fred
HARP (Harmonica Assn 'Round Philly)
Last Edited by on Jul 17, 2010 3:05 PM
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LeeEdwards
73 posts
Jul 18, 2010
6:39 AM
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@Ant - I have compared this signature to other authentic examples and I am 100% certain that this is indeed legit. If you contact me off forum I can email you some pics of other samples for you to compare.
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"You will never get every possible thing out of an instrument, but the instrument will get every possible thing out of you" - Ray Charles.
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Ant138
500 posts
Jul 19, 2010
4:29 AM
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@ Fred, you're right , that is Joe Cocker.
@ Lee , thanks, i will send you an e mail today.
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kudzurunner
1681 posts
Jul 19, 2010
4:37 AM
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Nat Riddles gave me a busted-up old harp that belonged to Big Walter, but only a few of the reeds work. I mean the coverplates are REALLY squeezed in, and the black paint on the end has the letters "BW" carved into them with what looks like a pen-knife. I'm sure nobody would pay anything for it, since it basically doesn't work.
Gotcha.
:)
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Andrew
1096 posts
Jul 19, 2010
5:02 AM
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I was wondering about the pen issue, MP. I'd have thought that it's difficult or impossible to write on a glossy photo with a fountain pen, and, from memory, they tend to be signed on the back if a fountain pen is used. I had no idea when biros were invented though.
Incidentally, ballpoint can be a bit of a misnomer - fountain pens are, strictly speaking, either ballpoint (modern) or chisel (? old-fashioned ? I don't know, I'm not a calligrapher); that's why I use the word biro above.
My father taught me that if I used a fountain pen, I should never write an up-strike - you have to use down strokes only. He didn't realise that modern fountain pens are ballpoints to facilitate up-strokes. Probably, all they had to write with in school during WWII was pencils or crappy old chisel nibs on a wooden pen-holder.
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Andrew,
gentleman of leisure,
noodler extraordinaire.
Last Edited by on Jul 19, 2010 5:09 AM
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ZackPomerleau
925 posts
Jul 19, 2010
9:07 AM
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They definitely had fountain pens with ink holders inside. It probably wouldn't write good on glossy, though.
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ness
260 posts
Jul 19, 2010
10:10 AM
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Gosh, this is so obviously a fake I'm surprised nobody noticed -- he forgot the 'II'
:D
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John
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KVN
1 post
Oct 13, 2014
9:10 PM
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I know this is a old topic , but if your picture autographed and harp with initials carved, I would love to buy them, but nothing crazy priced,
thanks.
kerry
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