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blues is dead
blues is dead
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Hobostubs Ashlock
850 posts
Jun 30, 2010
1:22 AM
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I think we need to throw away our harps sell our amps and just not listen to anymore CD's of the blues greats,thats the conclusion ive come from a year of reading posts on M.B.H forum from the old dogs of the industry.The music business is dead,there no new talent and everything is to exspensive.The gigs dont pay anymore ,hell you got to pay to get a gig now.Nobody has the stones or the sand as the old time greats,there the wrong color,and wouldnt know the suffering of a blues player if there dog died on a tuesday after there best friend took his old lady who was dying of cancer.Im serious,Never mind you can hear blues in todays country all the time,rock shares a lick or two,and whats this loop stuff.Hell you cant make music with, digital effects,thats the devils work.Everyone wants to OB , under blow and bend it all to hell,12 keys on 1 harp if its a high dollar custom and you have skills,but still aint no blues,$40 for a out of the box harp,and it wont play mary had a fuckin little lamb.yea them old dogs are right its like selling a dead horse to a blind man on Sunday it just aint right.And this internet who ever heard of learning anything from it.Just because its the biggest library in the world,people think they can learn by reading,Hell you got to live the blues never mind the fact you can watch a 60 year old video of Sonny boy 2 playing,heck if you wasnt there,passing a bottle with the man theres no way you can appreaciate his work,Dont even watch hes dead and the lessons he had to show went with him.Everybody wanting us to play for free,I got bills to pay,rents due,my children starving,and the cats knocked up,Yea blues going away real quick everything just hunky dory ,nothing to sing about and no skill to do it with if i had something to sing about.i guess ill just sit on the back porch sing happy ballads and be damned if I play a blue 3rd on harp or a 7th chord on a guitar,blues is dead and there aint no bringing it back.well thats what they say:-)Hobostubs
Last Edited by on Jun 30, 2010 2:46 AM
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The Gloth
418 posts
Jun 30, 2010
1:48 AM
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Man, all that is givin' me the blues, I'm gonna blow my harp... Oh no I can't, I'm at the office. Damn !
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Jim Rumbaugh
252 posts
Jun 30, 2010
3:48 AM
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The Blues ain't dead. You're keeping them alive and so am I.
Big Band music isn't dead, nor is swing or disco or celtic or dixie land.
But anyone who says "it's coming" back or "this is the way to make big money" is wrong. There is a place for all these styles and they will be with us as long there is someone intrested in playing and listening.
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waltertore
716 posts
Jun 30, 2010
4:47 AM
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that would be a great song Hobostubs! Walter
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toddlgreene
1496 posts
Jun 30, 2010
4:57 AM
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@ Jim-Let disco die...please!
The blues ain't dead here. Maybe not prevalent, but certainly not dead.
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Hobostubs Ashlock
851 posts
Jun 30, 2010
5:26 AM
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yea im just trying to be sarcastic,the old timers have a point but,i like to be more positive towards some of the issues i read on here.geting gigs in oklahoma aint very hard for a blues band as long they play country every other song,and take some of there pay out in beer:-)
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hermonica
13 posts
Jun 30, 2010
5:45 AM
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and you can never make it unless you have a old mentor. and dont forget to live the blues because you cant make it if you havent lived the blues man
the (old dogs of the industry) on forums and real life are scared of losing there spot and spit out bullshit UITS JUST NOT WORTH IT ANYMORE GUYS
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Hobostubs Ashlock
853 posts
Jun 30, 2010
6:17 AM
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i dont think there scared,If theve made a spot its there's untill they die,then they are there forever You dont get to old for the blues,Like say a rocker does,But its funny how the attitude is on passing of the torch so to speak,you dont hear as much grumbling with the old county guys about the young guys,but im sure theres some.Even the old rocker's that should be rocking in rockers,dont grip as much,I guess its that long haul on that ruff road allways going uphill ,trying to stay in tune with a flat harp that makes a blues man.Got to love em kinda like that nasty mean old uncle that used to cuss you like a dog for getting into things you shouldnt:-)
Last Edited by on Jun 30, 2010 6:17 AM
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MrVerylongusername
1111 posts
Jun 30, 2010
6:32 AM
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"geting gigs in oklahoma aint very hard for a blues band as long they play country every other song,and take some of there pay out in beer:-)"
That's OK if music is just your hobby, but beer don't pay the mortgage.
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Hobostubs Ashlock
854 posts
Jun 30, 2010
6:38 AM
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thats when you get a 9-5 job,you dont have to get paid to play the blues.
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Hobostubs Ashlock
855 posts
Jun 30, 2010
6:51 AM
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the last band i was in,they went on a 2 week tour,I wasnt with them no more but im good friends with em,well they quit there jobs or didnt have one,and wanted there older lead guitarist to go.this was befor they got the small tour set up. He could play every night in oklahoma he has a lot of county conections,been doing it for years and he told the much younger fellows in the band,hey if you can get me 60 grand a year ill quit my job,thats what i make,they replaced him a little latter,he still jams every weekend with a band.they lost a $1000 for the tour
Last Edited by on Jun 30, 2010 6:53 AM
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jules
12 posts
Jun 30, 2010
6:56 AM
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Blues is only dead in the same way classical, jazz, folk, bluegrass, reggae, swing, baroque, punk, disco, funk and pretty much any other genre is dead...... the great inovators are probably dead and gone, but.... so what, it doesn't stop classical violinists learning mozart.... (that's my 10p's worth!)
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Hobostubs Ashlock
856 posts
Jun 30, 2010
7:07 AM
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when i say its dead im being sarcastic.I believe its alive and kicking you just might not want to have to pay child support with it being your only income.unless you can
Last Edited by on Jun 30, 2010 7:11 AM
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MP
573 posts
Jun 30, 2010
10:33 AM
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"sellin' a dead horse to a blind man on Sunday it just ain't right"
i agree.
hobo, you're the real deal.
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CMo
39 posts
Jun 30, 2010
11:17 AM
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This forum seems to rehash and sacisti-cise every topic over and over and over again...like a droning Blues. In that respect Blues is very much alive here. I rarely hear topics about the different positions of harp playing, theory on minor Blues playing, how to play triplets, the difference between vibrato and tremolo, where the best places around the world are to hear some good blues music, how someone's life story has created their sound, etc. I could go on and on. Maybe that is because those topics were worn out before I got here and I need to do a more comprehensive search...Please let me know.
This forum seems be a sounding post for gripes and grievances, either about our peers or about those that don't understand us. People ragging on each other for their differences, political/religious arguments, who's custom harp is better, what the "old-timers" are bitching about, what the new school players don't understand. I mean DAMN! I don't think one person replied to a topic I posted about getting help with a short lead Slim Harpo did on Mailbox Blues. Spend some time reflecting on those feelings and then work on expressing them and this forum might actually bring about the revival of the expression of Blues!
I guess I was hoping for something more intellectual from this internet space, seeing how Mr Gussow conducts himself in all of his Youtube videos. I mean, the man brings a certain quiet storm to his teachings and his persona when doing so. He does not do any of the things or sound out on any of the issues that 80% of the topics/posts are about. He shows up when he has something intelligent to say, something that adds to the collection of knowledge that is out there and moves the genre forward. It seems very few here are taking those ques...
I will continue to visit (as long as I am welcome) because I really value the limited knowledge that I do glean from this space when several of the members post. Possibly it is my new school attitude or my lack of understanding about all this "suffering" and bickering, but I feel we all could be a better service to ourselves and the community if our etiquette for posting topics were more centered, grounded, if you will, on stepping up our game and becoming a better player.
And it keep being brought up about old timers passing a torch on or what have you. Damn if Little Walter wasn't a teenager, maybe younger, when he left home and started doing his thing. And his story is similar to many other "old timers" from the past. Can we get over the thought that you have to be old or from back in the day to be able to express the blues (which by the way is not always sad. I have heard some really rockin' Blues that just makes me want to dance and have a good time).
Now, ON TOPIC, and to make this wall of text relevant I need to say this. For what reason is the blues dead or or alive? Is someone seeking more than what the expression of oneself really is? Are we seeking recognition for what we do or create? Are we alive only because others see us living? Music is about expression, that is pretty much it (in my opinion). All the money, glamor and notoriety are just the things that come along with expressing yourself publicly. Do you think black folks were looking for money when they sang them songs out in the fields? No. They were expressing themselves and trying to get through a tough time or a hard feeling. Just so happens someone found a way to attach the "good ole dollar" to someones expression!
We, as people who like/love/feel/cherish/express the blues might do it a huge service if we dissociate it from all this things that have been tagged onto it over the years..get right down to exploring what it is and then ultimately expressing it the best way we know how.
C. Morales
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Hobostubs Ashlock
857 posts
Jun 30, 2010
11:39 AM
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i hear ya CMo i asked a legit question on harp therory yersterday,and waited all day for a answer or just a responce didnt get a thing so i deleted it.I was just being sarcastic here,Not so much because of the none responce but i do here alot of negativity that kinda bumms me out,ive learned alot here but theres also alot of stuff that seems to be negative.
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CMo
41 posts
Jun 30, 2010
11:49 AM
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I was jsut going throgh some of the most recent topics here to make sure I was not jsut being bitter. It is pretty astounding how bitter some folks are. A topic on live music has a bunch of folks bitter cause they can't get paying gigs. I would love to be able to have the opportunity and the skills to play in front of a group fo people. It would get me jazzed just to see folks having a good time because of me. Anything monetary or otherwise would just be icing on the cake. Now I will say that I am a 30 year old Accountant who plays the harp like a 30 year old who has been playing for only a few months so I won't be getting any stage time soon. I admit that I don't know what it is like to have paying gigs and then get them slowly snatched up by changing times or whatever. I just want to be able to tell my story through this instrument.
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XHarp
393 posts
Jun 30, 2010
12:08 PM
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I agree with you somewhat, CMo. hence the reason why there are posters with about 2000 posts and some been here as long with 500 or less.
This statement however is not really reflective of the forum,
"I rarely hear topics about the different positions of harp playing, theory on minor Blues playing, how to play triplets, the difference between vibrato and tremolo, where the best places around the world are to hear some good blues music, how someone's life story has created their sound, etc"
Just search the forum or go back and review the posts of waltertore, BBQ Bob, Buddha, Jason, Elk River, and Adam along with many others and you will get all of these things. The problem is that we allow the negativity of other postings to overshadow the true reason we are here.
I know that I turn to You Tube to get the lessons from those named above that also post here. I guess indirectly the forum members do post those things, you just need to know where to go get them.
OH, and I prefer to think of the Blues as boutique music style as opposed to being dead. That way it holds a higher status in my mind and a mystique to others. When people ask me why I hang onto that stuff I just wink and grin a wicked grin.
It's only dead if we allow it.
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"Keep it in your mouth" - XHarp
Last Edited by on Jun 30, 2010 12:11 PM
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MP
574 posts
Jun 30, 2010
1:07 PM
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hey CMo!
the best way i've found to get info is to start a topic and ask a very direct question.
if you want to know about positions for instance, someone,-believe me, will post a circle of fifths and others will expand on the topic.
i agree that there is lots of BS. just ignore it. sometimes it's pretty funny though.
XHarp just gave you excellent advice.
just hang in there and you'll find tons of excellent, useable info.
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The Gloth
419 posts
Jun 30, 2010
3:56 PM
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"Blues is dead they say... long live blues !"
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LittleJoeSamson
324 posts
Jun 30, 2010
11:51 PM
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I know this is ""Modern Blues Harmonica"", but all this strumpety motel-room romantics a-swooney-ing bout OB'ing has been mighty disgusting to many of us traditionalists.
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CMo
42 posts
Jul 01, 2010
5:41 AM
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I have to (partially) apologize. I did go and find the archives and am now working through a wealth of information that is stored there. Is there also a search function or are we using Google search?
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Baker
71 posts
Jul 02, 2010
8:29 AM
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There is a forum search. It uses Google's engine but should only list results form the forum. There is a link on the left hand side below "Blues harp forum" and "Forum archive".
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