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kudzurunner
1623 posts
Jun 23, 2010
9:10 PM
One thing that hasn't been discussed much here is the dance of blues harmonica. It's a part of the visual performance, not the music per se--and yet it's very much a part of the music, because it's an expression of the music's underlying swing-rhythm. Swing often expresses itself as a harp player's body doing more than one thing at the same time: carrying the beat (exact time) and then slapping it around with anticipated and delayed accents. Good harp players know how to carry both beats in a way that keeps the heat up, yet doesn't unbalance them: what John Miller Chernoff's informants in AFRICAN RHYTHM AND AFRICAN SENSIBILITY refer to as "coolness." Hot, yet cool.

Rod Piazza, on top of his game, is an excellent example of this:

Last Edited by on Jun 23, 2010 9:12 PM
kudzurunner
1624 posts
Jun 23, 2010
9:18 PM
This amazing footage of William Clarke offers an even better example on the first song. His belly is where some of the counter-rhythmic accents are sourced:



I saw Clarke several times during this period. Memorable performances every time. He was a pro. A real jazz sense of phrasing, at least on some of his big chromatic work.
nacoran
2262 posts
Jun 23, 2010
9:21 PM
I'm not allowed to sway in time; it's in the restraining order. :)

When I was a kid I used to play air guitar. I used to be able to do the David Lee Roth jumps and kicks over my head, but I've got heel spurs now, so I don't move around much when I'm playing.

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Kyzer Sosa
683 posts
Jun 23, 2010
9:50 PM
most of the time, when i practice, im sitting down. when i go jam with the boys, i stand up, exclusively. and its no surprise that i always seem to put together all the missing pieces when i play like that.
theres definitely something to be said for being able to move your body the way you feel you need to get into the groove. ive been recorded by someone else one time, and was surprised at how much body language i had going on.
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Rubes
61 posts
Jun 24, 2010
4:25 AM
One or two of our songs border on being a jig, it's hard not to dance to those, especially stompin on a tambourine for time. But the bluesy numbers call for a more seductive type of dance more aligned to that hypnotic rhythm....... :~)
Joch230
195 posts
Jun 24, 2010
4:44 AM
Yeah...Rod's got it going...Miss Honey sure does too! Funny because I was playing that song last night and doing the little dance too. Surely, not as well as Rod but it's a double toe tapper.

-John
DirtyDeck
63 posts
Jun 24, 2010
5:55 AM
Some prime Gussow groovin' here.

DirtyDeck
64 posts
Jun 24, 2010
6:07 AM
Perhaps a better example. If God played harmonica...

Bb
208 posts
Jun 24, 2010
6:57 AM
I have to say that I think blues harp is a full-body instrument. If you're not grooving with it while you're playing – even just a bit – odds are it's not coming out of the harp either. Which is not to say that merely jumping around with a harp and "really feelin' it, man" is gonna cut it if you don't know what you're doing either. But, yeah, there's something about the body that can't be denied in my mind.
-Bob
Andrew
1028 posts
Jun 24, 2010
7:48 AM
it's true of every instrument if you're playing that kind of music, although Keely Smith might disagree. (Don't bother telling me they're putting it on here)


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LIP RIPPER
242 posts
Jun 24, 2010
7:50 AM
Huh, was it Chuck Berry that had a hit with that song? Rockin Robin?
5F6H
219 posts
Jun 24, 2010
7:58 AM
@ Lip Ripper - Bobby Day
Ev630
648 posts
Jun 24, 2010
8:36 AM
Rick Estrin discusses this on his DVD. He's doing it in between phrases, etc. Cool stuff.
Micha
121 posts
Jun 24, 2010
9:24 AM
I really like to see people dance to some swing blues. On a good song, I can not sit still...
Jim Rumbaugh
244 posts
Jun 24, 2010
9:57 AM
If you want the people to dance, you need to dance too.

It's infectous. If you move , the audiance will too.
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Andrew
1029 posts
Jun 24, 2010
9:59 AM
I was looking for a Weather Report video because I have fond memories of Jaco Pastorius walking and dancing and jogging on the spot whilst playing. I didn't find anything too great, but I did find stuff that showed Wayne Shorter to have pretty awful posture whilst playing the soprano sax.
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JimInMO
72 posts
Jun 24, 2010
11:22 AM
"Huh, was it Chuck Berry that had a hit with that song? Rockin Robin?"

Bobby Day, one hit wonder, late 50's. I think ???
barbequebob
972 posts
Jun 24, 2010
12:15 PM
What it comes down to is FEELING the groove and just standing there stiff as a board tends to not go over well with an audience. Even tapping your feet to keep time is important. Besides, why would you want to emulate the stereotype "white guys from the burbs can't and won't dance.?"

Without a good groove, it just lies there flat and you just wind up boring an audience because your playing AT them, rather than to and FOR them.

I personally can't sit still like a statue, which may be OK for classical audiences where dancing or moving around either on stage or in the audience is looked down upon, and if I can't feel the groove, it makes things really tough and it sounds like another 100th rate crappy open jam session.
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shanester
89 posts
Jun 24, 2010
5:00 PM
Yeah, I move so much when I play that I've switched my stage duds from sunglasses and a hat to a spandex unitard and leg warmers, much more comfortable!
walterharp
372 posts
Jun 24, 2010
5:13 PM
there is always the less is more approach

rharley5652
164 posts
Jun 24, 2010
5:38 PM
Then there's always the Godfather Of Soul <> The man just could not stand still,..felt every Note !!


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Blown Out Reed
195 posts
Jun 24, 2010
5:50 PM
I think this example of Dennis is great

Last Edited by on Jun 24, 2010 5:55 PM


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