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groyster1
136 posts
Jun 21, 2010
10:27 AM
looking at a john mayall concert with with eric clapton and mick taylor I noticed john tugging @ his lips whilst blowin harp and also noticed peter green,another blues breaker doing the same(he was and still ismore known for being a fabolous blues guitarist) why the lip tugging? is there something there that our british cousins know that we do not?
MrVerylongusername
1092 posts
Jun 21, 2010
10:37 AM
Yeah, we know how to make fine beer.

Haven't got a clue about lip tugging though ;-)
MP
506 posts
Jun 21, 2010
10:45 AM
really fine beer, except for boddingtons.

i doubt lip tugging helps with anything.
tookatooka
1461 posts
Jun 21, 2010
10:55 AM
Yeah! we Brits like a good ole tug. We used to tug the forelocks when meeting royalty but now we just give the lips a little tug anytime we want.
harmonicanick
794 posts
Jun 21, 2010
10:59 AM
I have seen Mayall many times and have never seen this tugging affectation.

Last Edited by on Jun 21, 2010 11:51 AM
groyster1
137 posts
Jun 21, 2010
2:19 PM
Im saw it on his 70th birthday concert with clapton and mick taylor also saw peter greene do it in concert with the splinter group
groyster1
138 posts
Jun 21, 2010
2:21 PM
as far as the beer making skills you fellows win I have been to british isle pubs I hate miller lite which is popular here rather drink club soda
MrVerylongusername
1095 posts
Jun 21, 2010
3:09 PM
Hey Groyster - I've found lots of footage from the 70th birthday concert on Youtube. I've been going through them, but I haven't seen him tugging his lip on any of the 8 or so clips I've watched so far. It doesn't seem to be a regular part of his technique.

Maybe he's freeing a caught moustache hair or something???

Can you remember the song title?
captainbliss
218 posts
Jun 21, 2010
3:40 PM
I've just got in from opening for Mr. Mayall at The Jazz Cafe, London and report that I didn't see any lip-tugging.

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captainbliss
MP
509 posts
Jun 21, 2010
8:24 PM
i've opened for mayall too, and don't recall any tugging.

a lot of chugging by the audience though.(mayall didn't chug either,as far as i know.)

the venue sold so much shitty american beer that evening that they set a bloody record and had us back for los lobos.
jbone
353 posts
Jun 22, 2010
4:19 AM
tugging lips? or cheek? i see a few players do this occasionally, i think because 1) it looks cool and 2) adds a sort of tremolo effect. i have net yet been won over to its usefulness.
groyster1
139 posts
Jun 22, 2010
8:15 AM
maybe they were tugging at cheeks after all and yes MP beer does suck over here I buy old speckled hen and abbot ale in pub draught cans and pour them and pretend I am in a london pub
groyster1
140 posts
Jun 22, 2010
8:23 AM
@verylong
will watch the concert dvd again and see where mayall is doing it he must be doing something right after all these years can do vocals,guitar,harp does he also play drums? he seemed to really like jb lenoir and wrote a song about him when he was killed in a car accident
MP
514 posts
Jun 22, 2010
9:55 AM
groyster,

he plays keyboards too.

i saw him doing just that while wearing some sort of appendage around his mid-section, with a harp on a goose neck extension.

he said it was a medical device. (you had to see it)

i'll bet he plays drums.
harmonicanick
797 posts
Jun 22, 2010
10:00 AM
@groyster
Try and find a copy (vinyl) of an album John did in the 1960's called 'The Blues Alone' on which he plays all the instruments.

There is a great track in tribute to JB Lenoir

Also one of my faves is 1968 album 'Bare Wires' (re-issue cd on Deram) where he diverges with some jazz influence using horns and the exceptional drumming of Jon Hiseman who later formed the awesome band 'Colloseum'

Truly, the John Mayall band family tree over the years is huge.
groyster1
143 posts
Jun 22, 2010
10:45 AM
hello very long
I plugged the dvd and he does the cheek tugging right off the bat on the first # southside story he is cheek tugging and not lip tugging as previously thought I had observed just trying to learn tricks of the trade maybe Ill try it myself and see what happens
MrVerylongusername
1097 posts
Jun 22, 2010
11:00 AM
Hmmm... that was one of the clips I watched. Here it is:



To be honest I don't think he's tugging his cheek. He just has an odd way of holding the harp and mic. If you mean what happens around 4:45 I'm pretty sure he's just wobbling the harp for a vibrato.
groyster1
144 posts
Jun 22, 2010
11:18 AM
you might be right Peter Green in a splinter group concert dvd appears to be doing the same thing
snakes
544 posts
Jun 22, 2010
1:17 PM
Yeah George, I think he is just using his right hand to do a warble instead of moving his head.
groyster1
146 posts
Jun 22, 2010
2:50 PM
watching it closer always looking for options have not seen it done on this side of the pond


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