I deleted a thread because the original poster deleted his comment and what was left was an brutal exchange of insults. I don't believe the original post was particularly appropriate for a harmonica forum. It was marked as off topic, but the poster suspected it would cause an argument. It did.
Here's the thing. Moderators only have a couple powers. We can edit or delete a post. We can post a little banner that says 'stop posting' which you guys seem to ignore anyway. We can say something.
Only Adam can lock a thread or ban a member.
When people start insulting other members at the level they were on that thread I can selectively remove comments or I can delete the whole thread. Selectively removing comments causes people to think I'm choosing sides. The original post had been removed and everything beyond that was without that context.
We've lost forum members of stuff like this before. If it turns out tongue blockers really can't coexist with lip pursers, fine, that's about harmonica at least.
I've seen Adam ban people for the types of remarks that were going on in that thread.
I'm sure some of you will want to expound on free speech here. Please do so respectfully. I have a doctors appointment to get to. I reply when I get back.
"It was marked as off topic, but the poster suspected it would cause an argument. It did."
Don't put words in my mouth.
I posted it for the reason I stated in the thread. Many of the greatest musicians ever are into fringe knowledge. Jason is one of them, you want to study the greats, you want to play like the great then you need to look into the other things outside of music that help energize their being and spurn their creativity.
The thread that was deleted was very relevant to music and art in general. It was posted not to start an argument rather to help others begin a very outside the box journey that I feel is imperative to growing as an artist with an original voice.
I specifically stated, if the topic doesn't interest you then do not participate, but people acted up and refused to have an open mind so I deleted the link.
Can we start the thread over? I did not get to read it and am now very curious- it sounds like a topic I would like to read. Is it something that can't be presented civilly?
I didn't see the original post,but I read what followed. Good for you,Nate. It seems lately that people are being extra petty and mean. It ain't the forum it used to be.
Buddha, I was commenting on your comment that you didn't want people to respond if they couldn't play nice. I enjoy a good discussing on off topic occasionally myself, but it was clear that the discussion wasn't headed that way. Since you had already removed the link that started the whole thing all that was left was the rest. I deleted the rest.
For the record, because of a quirk in the software, to delete a thread you simply delete each comment. That creates a little lag in the system. There were a couple useful comments on the thread, but they were all directed at calming people down over an event that was no longer posted.
Buddha, may I suggest two facts seem to be in evidence here. First, the forum, at this moment in time can't have a civil discussion on these sorts of topics and second, some people seem interested in what the whole hullabaloo was about. As a compromise, maybe you could repost the link here but include either your email or your Facebook link so anyone who wants to discuss it with you can do so where you can moderate the conversation and it doesn't blow up into a forum war?
please refrain from flaming, insulting, or otherwise impugning the intelligence of others
posting threads about martians or mystical outer body learning is in a sense impugning my intelligence and many of us that don't believe,in God or that kind of BullScats
why is it the sound thinkers on this earth and forum can be confronted by this Garbage, and then be condemmend because we don't beleive in Gods or Martians that walk the earth when we speak out
Although some of us believe in God and others outer body mystical bullscats the real thinkers scoff at the idea, ie ME
religion and mystical outerbody travel of teachings is one topic where we might deliberately choose to live and let live (and remain mum),
if you wish to Start a topic about time travel or martians or mystical human encounters, go join a wacko group you will get inteligent conversations im sure:)
Although some of us believe in God, martians,floating into outer space to pratice Harmonica on a white fluffy cloud and others scoff at the idea,
religion Martians outer body travel attack dogs is one topic where we might deliberately choose to live and let live (and remain mum),
Yes Adam i would Agree time to Ban this kind of mindless ramblings so i would suggesta ban on attack Dogs wacked out Gods ,let the wackos float of into outer space they don't need us why should i have to read this garbage,
Oh thats right it was OT and was asked not to read if i don't believe, how can my non beleiving mind be made to believe if i don't read the garbage put befor me,
thats right i shouldn't read this Garbage:(
there was a little experiment done on children sitting in a room with sweets they where told they can't eat the sweets, when the person leaves the room yes thats right the children ate the sweets,
so i would suggest topics about things the sound thinking Persons can't stomach, like God,,Mystical time travel floating out of your body to learn Harmonica on a fluffy cloud be banned,
that way the strong minded persons won't upset the weak and frail minds that can't think for them selves or need some mystical god to guid them,
go find another playground to spread your Garbage it's dirtying up my Playground with mystical Filth:)
if i want sweets i go to the shop and buy them, not ask for them in a Harmonica Forum,
if i want God i go to Church and Pray,
if i want to believe in Martians i take Drugs:)
all of the above can be found in your frail minds or some wacko Forum there out there, go Fly around some you will find them you won't be forceing Garbage down my throat:)
yours truly TB OOTB NAZI,
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Buddha i will listen later my Bro did the Grave yard shift i can't afford to Burst ot Laughing, he get the shits if woken up early and won't play guitar for me later tonight:)
Im sure the guy is full of Scat he is a Bloodnut:)
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I'd be happy for anyone to post anything about their beliefs. I would love to hear it. It is when you start a shouting match about who is right in a metaphysical argument that leads to nowhere. Lets let everyone express their views. If you think its crap, then keep it to yourself. Unless someone invites you to the dance...leave it alone. If your beliefs involve running down or dismissing someone else's beliefs as crap, then keep it to yourself. The last thing we need is to get involved in defending our religious beliefs - look what it is doing to the rest of the world. If you believe that you are right, just sit assured that you are. There is no way you can step into the arena of ideas and be civil if you cannot be open to other peoples ideas and beliefs.
Bro's im of for a walk in the vast Austrain Bushland for an hour or so with my dog, i suggest you get away from cyber world for a while,get out in the real world check you guys later:)
An alien did it (deleted the post). That's my story and I'm stickin to it.
Todd - Wife V.2 should be home soon with my brew to help enjoy the NBA playoffs and my harps. Hoping to upgrade my harp skills to the next level. At least until I wake up in the morning.
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Love and Peace to all
PS: Nasty -watch out for those horny Kangaroos, my friend. ---------- Rob
It's alright. It was that crazy red headed kid from YouTube on his anti-anti-Ginger rant. It just makes Nasty's comment about red heads seem to come from left field.
Kingo, there are right ways and wrong ways to discuss the metaphysical, and we always seem to end up doing it the way that ends badly. When you put your opinions out there, people are going to comment. It seems there are four ways to react, the 'I agree with you', the 'I disagree with you' and the 'I hate you'. The fourth way is to ignore it completely. These discussions seem to focus on the first, third, and fourth kind. That's fine, except that when people try to have a discussion they seem to get ignored. If someone wants to post something and expects only people who agree to respond then that's not a discussion at all. That's what blogs are for.
Buddha has form for this. If it's way out there, it's always good to use a direct quote or a screen capture. Otherwise you end up looking like the crazy bag lady screaming at shadows, instead of the other party in a fair fight.
Kingo when people post reference to materials that make assertions like:
"Thousands of years before even the Sumerians appeared, an advanced civilization called Atlantis flourished. It spanned several continents and possessed technology even more sophisticated than ours today. ... agreed it was necessary to rebuild things from the ground up, to erase memory of this cataclysm and cover up any subsequent ones so that eventually mankind would develop into an advanced yet stable and controllable stage once more. Since that time, earth has endured several disasters ranging from ancient nuclear war..."
You have to expect people who don't agree to reply.
I would suggest watching Sagan's Cosmos series if you want to marvel at the universe.
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I'm with Nasty. I like OT stuff, but the difference is when I post OT, I stay OT. When I post about Alf it's because I like Alf, not because I think you can't be a musician if you don't like Alf.
Yeah, if you want God, he's everywhere (on the web). He's not needed here. Same goes for porn. So maybe all OT should be disallowed. It's just that there's only so much you can say about 10 holes, and only 10% of the stuff here is actually interesting (I'm being very generous), so some light relief is required. ---------- Kinda hot in these rhinos!
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Andrew, to be fair, it was posted as O.T. It still blew up though.
I think the format of forums in general don't lend themselves to conversations about religion. The distance it creates makes people more likely to become hostile, the quickness of it tends to get people to post without thinking and the slowness of it makes people post more than one thought at a time so the response is always a jumbled collection of mismatched information and different people's responses. Combine that with the fact that forums are based around a community where people will run into each other over and over and maybe it's not best way to talk about controversial things. People take up sides and take things personally.
I've gone to chat rooms that specifically espouse one political view. People line up to come in and argue, but at the end of the day the people on the same side of the issue hang out together and the 'others' go back to their chat rooms. We are brought together by harmonica. If we take up sides on other issues people end up upset and the part of the equation where people calm each other down and build a sense of community can't happen since the people who were just on the other side of the argument is still in the room. It's fine to argue with people, but then there needs to be a time and place to calm down. I argue enough on other forums. I'd rather come together around harmonica stuff and argue someplace else.
I decided I didn't want to continue any shit with nasty
Chris Bro i had my say:)
if you think i hate you or any other persons this is untrue:)
i won't be watching the Vidio because the header is just not where im comeing from:(
By all meens don't think I have a personal vindication for you if i walked out the door now
bumped into you spilt your coffee i would shake your hand and say sorry buy you a new shirt, ring you the next day to see if the shirt was the right colour:)
KiethE has got it right Factul evedence is all i seek in life to say im a deep thinker is cutting myself short,im psychotic caculating to a point it scares many of my friends, i reach within to seek answers not answers from other person teachings,
my spouts of wisdom posted in your threads are my thoughts no one elses, i can't quoate another persons words i would be cowardise of me to stand behind others words believing them to be mine or relating to me and my personality:(
by no means think i'm a stupid person because i act this way on the Forum if you wish to provoke my academic mind please present facts and evidence i can only reply truthfully:)
Now ive had my say thats it Bro point blank the only Problem with your post was you removed it i had my say
if i paint a big signe on the wall saying i am God or Martians walk the earth i will stand by that signe untill beaten down by those who wish to opress me,or prove my facts makeing them see the light,
my lastest words of wisdom wich you provoked chris relates to this very subject:)
Belief is prejudice:(
Thanks for your time chris i will no longer reply to this thread i said what i have had to say, please feel free to reply to any of my posts or threads you are most welcome:)
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Tuck, no, it was the whole South Park episode where Cartman tried rounding up the red heads for concentration camps, then the other guys painted him up like a 'ginger' while he was asleep to teach him a lesson. Then came the crazy red head kid ranting on the internet, then South Park mocked him, well, because he was bats*** crazy.
You tube is just an eztension of the current obsession with talent shows. It just gives a broader opportunity for us to see / hear / experience others doing their thing.
And, as in life, others feel the right to judge and spew in a way they never would in real life. I dare to say that in conversation people would show much more humanity and tolerance. Ort just move out of situations / away from people they dont agree with.
It just becomes a vehicle ffor people to vent hurt and predjudice to get the rest of the shit from their life of their chest.
The mantra, say something nice or say nothing at all seems lost and yet more important than ever. The absence of a positive comment is much more soulful than vitreol and diotribe.
I am Not saying criticism should not be given. Particularly here where often we are looking for advice and pointers from a much wider audience in a specialised field than most of us could ever reach in our own worlds.
But, if the people who continue to dismiss / insult / abuse / provoke and offend are truly like that in the world where they live it must be a nasty, narrowmindeed, insecure and sad place to be.
Not to try and cross thread boundaries but john prines 'people putting people down' says it best.
Starting to rant now but i am feeling a nerve being touched.
I see, in my job, so often young people scared to grow, scared to be themself, pressured to be who they are not because of the judgements of others.
How beautiful the world could be if every conversation was supportive and compassionate. How much we could all grow as people, how strong coculd our connections with others be.
It really makes me sad as i get a little older to see the instant negativity in peoples judgements of others.
And i see great dangers in you tube to. So many people are vulnerable in ways we dont know about. The assassination by others who you dont know and will never know can be damaging. I remember reading a year or so ago of a young girl who had mild learning difficulties. She had put on you tube some videos of herself being creative. (singing, telling self written peoms). Nt knowing context or background many many negative comments where written.
The impact of these were only discovered when she spoke in the aftermath of a very nearly successful suicide attempt.
The web is such a powerful place guised in annonimity and often without thought or understanding of others.
I am guilty too, and writing this my mind is rerflecting on things i have written and the past and i find myself guilty as charged.
If this post has become convoluted, full of spelling mistakes or rambling i apologise but it has lanced a few boils in my mind.
