kudzurunner
1449 posts
May 15, 2010
1:42 AM
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All:
Please take a moment and reread the forum creed. I have slightly modified it. I have added humor and several small clarifications.
Thanks to Oda for supplying the punchline.
Last Edited by on May 15, 2010 1:45 AM
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gene
471 posts
May 15, 2010
2:18 AM
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I'm making a prediction:
You'll one day insert the word "politics" into the creed.
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DutchBones
366 posts
May 15, 2010
3:02 AM
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Well Adam,
I hope it will it will help, but frankly I doubt it... having a slogan which says "where the inmates rule the asylum" is not going to help much either... I guess it's an attempt to give a humoresque turn to things but in the state I'm in at the moment it is not coming over very well... but then again, I'm pretty sure it was not mend to please me anyway..
I'm so pi$$ed, because I have almost no time to play the harp.. 3 minutes here, 2 minutes there.. the only real harmonica relieve is when I peek at my favorite forums (here and the Bushman forum) when I'm at the computer...
But then I see those people that have so much time to discuss things that have no answer, that it makes me upset...
How many pages does it take to figure out that, no matter how much you talk about it, that there is no way in the world you are going to agree? 6 pages? 60 pages? 600 pages ?
Raises the question: Should you quit a thread because there is no solution?
No, that's not a reason to drop it...
Should you quit because people are getting upset, pissed off, scared away (new comers) or because people start to quit the forum?
Now THAT could possibly a reason I would say... but then again.. I could be wrong.. because this IS the asylum, right?
I can't read all the stuff in those long threads, I don't have the time for it and I don't have the stomach for it.... but it really pisses me off when people like Buddha write things like
"When I'm wrong, I'm the first to admit it. We all learn through failure so I welcome being wrong. So far, I am not."
or
"kyzer, this is no time to ruin your thread with arrogance. Humble down Boy. humble down."
But in the same time (while stomping on other people's feelings with this "take it or leave it" attitude) get seriously upset when somebody "threatens" to "take him out with a blow bend" which was obviously mend as a joke (even a non-native English speaker like me can figure that out) and responds with, and I quote
"try it and you'll have a face full of malinois.
I've said this before, I absolutely do not take threats of any kind lightly."
Great going Buddha!!
Here's another gem...
"I should probably start up my old harmonica forum. It was very organic and rich with information from all views.
This one can remain "safe" for people like congaron."
Well , I for one wish you did... so this place can be safe from YOU....
@Adam.... sorry about that, Adam... I'm back again...jeeeezzz this place has got me so upset...
@ Buddha ... this is just MY opinion, take or leave it.....
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Andrew
969 posts
May 15, 2010
4:05 AM
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I agree with every word Dutchbones writes (including those expressing regret at the shortage of time to do all the things we want to do).
I think perhaps an improvement to the forum might be if Adam (and no-one else) could grade contributors' statuses, so that we know who is an expert and whose word can be taken with a pinch of salt. Who wears the mustard-coloured shirts, who the blue, and who the red? (Star Trek joke) This is because there are some experts here lurking behind pseudonyms whose word shouldn't be doubted and I for one don't have a good enough memory to remember who is who. Adam wouldn't have to grade everyone - just a dozen or so people. Of course I can also see one big problem with the idea - do they make mustard-coloured or blue shirts in XXL?
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Kinda hot in these rhinos!
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
421 posts
May 15, 2010
4:07 AM
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I have this uncanny ability to read stuff on a board that deeply offends me without getting angry. Usually, I laugh. I laugh a lot on this board.
Religon, the creed says, we should leave alone. That's pretty obvious. Prothelitizing Christians are the usual culprit of sewing the seeds of forum discord, but not here. It's another religon. I love reading all this strange stuff, love reading people's overreaction to it and finally, the utter shock from the poster that people were offended by it. Maybe it's the writer in me, people are so creative when they are offended.
As a guy who grew up a fundamental Baptist, I should be the first one offended. But, while I'm reading this stuff, I'm more like "dance, puppets. Dance!" People who do not have power over their emotions are very entertaining. Then there's folks who keep a level head and post arguments. I enjoy those too. I enjoy it all.
But as a guy who grew up as a fundamental Baptist, I would hope that this creed applies to all religons, including ones where I haven't exactly figured out yet.
Last Edited by on May 15, 2010 4:14 AM
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jbone
323 posts
May 15, 2010
5:04 AM
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you know, no offense meant, but this is a forum. it's not a live or die situation, it's a place where the fertile ground of our aspirations can be planted with seeds of new ideas and information, and we can come alive and thrive as harp players of any level.
i have seen the whole flame thing enough times to know when to ignore posts and posters. no single member in mind here, there's just something about a forum that attracts a kind of superior-feeling bully. if encouraged these types can ruin a good forum or chat. if ignored, they sometimes either go away or change their tune some and things calm down.
i have not read every post or even every thread here, i'd have to sit here for hours a day and i have mere minutes. so i pick and choose and i get some real benefit from what certain folks post, and i try and contribute things of value where i can.
i'm sad that a member felt strongly enough to leave. i've done the same thing here and there, to my loss and some others' regret.
adam doesn't live for this forum, he has a life. he can't play sergeant-at-arms and keep us all playing nice all the time. we have to do this our own selves. at age 55 i have been around long enough to discern when it's time to put up or shut up. if i can contribute to a topic i will. other than that i have other places to be and things to do.
thanks to all who post stuff that grabs my interest here. and thanks adam for a basically really great forum.
if you need me today we'll be busking at the farmers' market.
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MichaelAndrewLo
371 posts
May 15, 2010
5:09 AM
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I think it's interesting that so many people are up in arms about discussing certain topics and get so offended. Especially put rules to not discuss certain things is rediculous as well.
This is not our job this forum, it is a community of harmonica players and humans who have opinions and ideas. If a discussion goes in a certain direction that remains mature and civil I don't see why there should be restrictions.
Personally, I never ever get offended at anybody stating anything or debating, or discussing. That is how people learn about themselves and their own opinions, ideas, and beliefs is stating a strong idea or opinion and getting feedback from others to help either more firmly establish those ideas or change them by bringing new light/ideas. This is how people learn and discover.
If somebody does NOT want to take part in that process they should simply refrain from that and be a man and leave it alone, not get up in arms all offended causing a drama. Completely uneccessary and immature. The whole purpose of a free society (and to me freedom is the ultimate environment that fosters true growth and development) is that you are free to leave as well. If somebody states their desire to leave, the appropriate response should be godspeed, farewell, good day. The rest is just anxious ambivalent posturing.
Last Edited by on May 15, 2010 5:11 AM
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Nastyolddog
727 posts
May 15, 2010
6:31 AM
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Bro's check it out??????
where the inmates rule the asylum
dance, puppets. Dance???????
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jawbone
317 posts
May 15, 2010
6:43 AM
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Here's my take - I find I skip over most topics, but I do love drama, but at the end of the day I am looking for tips on improving my playing, showmanship, etc. I can't watch the video stuff so that cuts out a lot.
If I read something that bothers me - I type out a long, cutting, heartfelt, impassioned retort - I then read it over - I hesitate briefly - the hit "DELETE" and go one with my abnormal day.
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If it ain't got harp - it ain't really blues!!!!
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kudzurunner
1451 posts
May 15, 2010
6:53 AM
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@Michael: This forum is a democracy, but it's also ruled by a benevolent autocrat: me. The forum creed is something that slowly evolves--very slowly--in line with what I see as the needs of this community. I value your contributions, but I also do what I have to do. For the time being, until this community proves to me that it knows how to keep things civil, spirited debates about the nature and existence or non-existence of God have no place on this forum. I'm sure there are lots of other websites where communities are happy to debate them. Right now, this forum isn't that community.
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kudzurunner
1452 posts
May 15, 2010
6:55 AM
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@jbone: Thank you for understanding. Yes, I have a life and regret that lately so much of it has been taken up with patrolling these precincts. I've got practicing to do.
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kudzurunner
1453 posts
May 15, 2010
6:55 AM
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@Dutchbones: I've taken down the forum subtitle. Good point.
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
423 posts
May 15, 2010
7:11 AM
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Well the inmate thing was funny while it lasted. On the "Dance, Puppet Dance" thing, I meant that everything was so predictable, somebody says X, then somebody else has Y reaction, first guy has Z reaction, etc. While I don't participate in the emotional exchanges, I do enjoy reading them.
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Honkin On Bobo
292 posts
May 15, 2010
7:24 AM
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Modification read.
Modification understood.
Over and out.
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Nastyolddog
728 posts
May 15, 2010
7:31 AM
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there would be a lot less arguments if the term
VS was banished
my amp vs your amp:)
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roadharp
47 posts
May 15, 2010
11:18 AM
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wow i thought this forum was about music and harmonica and helping all of us was i wrong.
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GermanHarpist
1453 posts
May 15, 2010
12:13 PM
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No, you aren't wrong... however besides being about harmonica and music, it's also about this community - and sometimes, the community factor get's waay too much time ;). Back to music and harmonica...
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barbequebob
820 posts
May 15, 2010
12:19 PM
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I've copied this post from another thread entitled "Infuriating Thread Detector," and I feel it speaks volumes and belongs here as well:
Be it dogs or anything else, too often threads are getting sometimes FAR off into tangents that make little or no sense with what the original topic was all about and there's benn FAR TOO MUCH posting that sounds so hyper-testosteronial (for a lack of a better way to put it) that sounds like if you don't agree with someone, then someone has seemingly has to do what could be said as an insult to someone's manhood, and this was something Harp-L, the longest running internet harmonica forum had been notorious for and why you often didn't seen female harp players or bigger names stick their 2 cents into the fray because more than a few of them had been bludgeoned by such ridiculously disrespectful postings and even tho there are tons of people on this forum as well as others, including Harp-L who will lurk, too often this will scare people away from participating and for some who lurk, look at forums like these as place for having a good belly laugh at people making fools of themselves doing crap like that and I've actually met someone who lurks on this forum and has personally said that he often laughs at some of this stuff because that "prove your manhood" kind of posting that has been way too pervasive.
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Barbeque Bob Maglinte
Boston, MA
http://www.barbequebob.com
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Delta Dirt
151 posts
May 15, 2010
12:23 PM
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Lets see... we will not allow discussions over the existence of God but some will be alowed to take his name in vain.....hmmmmm?
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gene
473 posts
May 15, 2010
1:15 PM
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Buddha's name came up a while ago. I didn't like him when I first got here, but then I began to recognize that most of what I didn't like wasn't real. It's dry humor. And I like dry humor. Sure, he's still a little arrogant, but all in all he's alright. (Don't tell him I said that.) Ya just gotta learn to recognize the humor when he presents it. I'd bet it would be easy to recognize in person.
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DutchBones
367 posts
May 15, 2010
5:35 PM
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@Adam - Thanks Adam, and sorry for "dropping in" like that
@jawbone - "If I read something that bothers me - I type out a long, cutting, heartfelt, impassioned retort - I then read it over - I hesitate briefly - the hit "DELETE" and go one with my abnormal day."
I know... I've done that several times in the past and it kind of worked... but last night after a long workday, in the shower, I felt so upset, disappointed and bad about this all, that I HAD to write/do something...
Of course, if a thread is longer than 2 pages these days, changes are very good that something bad is going on... so you shouldn't go there if you don't have the stomach for it....
But that's the thing.... even if you don't go there, it's still happening...
To me, if I go to somebody's house and there are 10 rooms, 8 nice rooms with a friendly atmosphere and 2 rooms where there is a change that they go at each others throats, even if I stay in one of the nice rooms, I still feel uncomfortable... on top of that... the troublemaker(s) don't even own the the place.. they, themselves, are guests too... go figure....
@roadharp - you're not wrong, there are TWO HUNDRED pages with useful harmonica topics... from how to get a clean single note up to how to make you're own mic... how's that for helping people?
@gene - "Buddha's name came up a while ago. I didn't like him when I first got here, but then I began to recognize that most of what I didn't like wasn't real. It's dry humor. And I like dry humor"
Same here... except that I was here before he was, but that's not the thing.... He's like smacking people with baseball bats with his "wisdom" (in a figure of speech) but if somebody only POINTS a BASSBALL GLOVE at him, he's all up in arms, because he's being "attacked".... shit... I'm pretty sure that there are countless people here who got pissed off with him, but just didn't bother to write about it... (what.. and I hate to say this... is the smarter thing to do) but then again, I'm not known for being that smart...
" but all in all he's alright. (Don't tell him I said that.)"
Don't worry, I won't tell him... he already knows....
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captainbliss
84 posts
May 15, 2010
5:44 PM
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@kudzurunner:
/Please take a moment and reread the forum creed./
Done.
xxx
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Hobostubs Ashlock
768 posts
May 15, 2010
6:04 PM
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Lol I missed a good 1
  
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Diggsblues
313 posts
May 16, 2010
1:46 PM
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Will Buddha will have to change his name since it
makes reference to religion. LOL
I practice my harmonica religiously sorry I forgot. LOL
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eharp
662 posts
May 16, 2010
5:00 PM
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i thought his name was based on a ghetto version of "butter".
now some of what he posts makes a little more sense.
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gene
475 posts
May 16, 2010
6:32 PM
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Q: What did the Buddhist say to the hot dog vendor?
A: "Make me one with everything."
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GermanHarpist
1454 posts
May 16, 2010
7:29 PM
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buddhist to vendor: 'no change in return?'
vendor to buddhist: 'change only comes from within..'
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nacoran
1876 posts
May 17, 2010
1:34 AM
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Rene Descartes walks into a bar and asks for a beer. He slowly sips it. When he's done the bartender asks him if he'd like another. Rene says, "I think not," and he disappears.
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Nastyolddog
739 posts
May 17, 2010
1:48 AM
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Ok if we are going to refrain from speaking of Gods
to please the god fearing folks and keep them happy:)
should we stop singing songs about the devil he realy pisses them christians off big time:)
I suggest if Adam wants to please christians futher on this Board he needs to change his and sterlings monicker How About,
That Naughty Red man & Adam:)
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
425 posts
May 17, 2010
3:25 AM
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Nacoran, that Descartes joke was pretty funny. Reminds me of the hot chick who walked into a bar and asked the bartender for a shot of double entrende. Then, he gave her some.
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Drbeastie
6 posts
May 17, 2010
4:46 AM
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Shouldn,t that be "gave her one"
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Andrew
978 posts
May 17, 2010
5:42 AM
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The woman asked for a double entendre, so the barman gave her one.
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Kinda hot in these rhinos!
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CMo
27 posts
May 17, 2010
8:03 AM
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What? Can we get back to the harp please?
THE MISSION: PLAY HARMONICA, IMPROVE YOUR GAME
If you're reading these words, then you are almost certainly a blues harmonica player looking to strengthen your command of the instrument. You'd like to deepen your tone, perhaps; learn tongue-blocking, overblowing, and other advanced techniques. You'd like to add to your repertoire, so that you're not simply recycling the same old shuffle-blues licks. You'd like somebody to help you decode what the stylistic originators and modern masters of the blues harp--Sonny Boy Williamson, Little Walter, Junior Wells, Sonny Terry, Paul Butterfield--are really doing.
Or perhaps you're a stone-cold beginner and you're confused by the multitude of instructional materials currently on the market. You don't want somebody who talks over your head, but you don't want somebody who condescends to you or trivializes the instrument, either. You don't want to waste your time. You're looking for hands-on guidance from a harp-playing professional--somebody who has traveled the same road you're just setting out on, knows how it feels to be where you are, and genuinely wants to help you take the next step, and the step after that.
You've come to the right place.
I'm actually interested in working out the subtleties of a harp section I heard over the weekend. On Slim Harpo's Mailbox Blues there is a harp solo right at the end that just seems to be eluding me...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=Slim+Harpo+Mailbox+blues&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS177US232&ie=UTF-8
I have written the solo down in phrases, how (I think) Slim plays it...
Sounds to me like:
4d-4db-4b-4d-3d-2d-2d
4d-4d-4b-4d-3d-2d
2d-2db-2d-4b-3d-2d-2d
4b-3d-2d-2d
4d-4db-4&5db(w/vibrato)-2d-3d-4b-2d-2d
The last phrase eludes me completely
I am not even sure if I have some of these notes right but this solo is helping me to understand some of the ways to move more fluidly around the harp and I would appreciate any help in demystifying it. Thanks harp buddies!
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Learning is a journey, not a destination... -BL
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Blown Out Reed
146 posts
May 17, 2010
8:57 AM
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OK
Back To That Naughty Red Guys Music
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kudzurunner
1464 posts
May 17, 2010
9:47 AM
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@Nasty: You've got it all backwards. This forum is NOT a place where I want Christians showing up and starting threads about how they love Jesus.
The only fair way of preventing that is by forbidding atheists and agnostics from starting threads about how the whole God-thing is a bunch of rubbish.
Not to belabor the obvious, but this is A FORUM FOR BLUES HARMONICA PLAYERS TO TALK ABOUT BLUES HARMONICA STUFF. It's amazing how many people seem to have forgotten that extremely simple point. The occasional off-topic thread is fine, but when off-topic threads create very bad vibes, or when on-topic threads veer wildly off-topic and create very bad vibes, I'm forced to take action.
Note to Buddha: when possible, please avoid future posts about attack-gods. I mean dogs.
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CMo
29 posts
May 17, 2010
10:28 AM
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I hope no one thought I was being sarcastic about my request for help. I really would like to learn what the hell Slim is doing on that cut.
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nacoran
1880 posts
May 17, 2010
12:15 PM
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CMo- Why don't you repost it in it's own thread? You'll likely get more comments.
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Littoral
13 posts
May 17, 2010
12:36 PM
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@jawbone - "If I read something that bothers me - I type out a long, cutting, heartfelt, impassioned retort - I then read it over - I hesitate briefly - the hit "DELETE" and go one with my abnormal day."
I sure do recognize that.
I'm trying to be a little more efficient and not have to write it but sometimes I still have to.
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Nastyolddog
745 posts
May 17, 2010
10:12 PM
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Thanks Adam,
you realy hit my Dark Humor side:)
i agree we should only Harp on About is the Harp:)
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Andrew
983 posts
May 18, 2010
12:14 PM
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Hmm, looks like this joke needs translating for it to work on both sides of the Atlantic!
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Kinda hot in these rhinos!
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