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Ev630
294 posts
Apr 24, 2010
8:15 AM


This is a hoot!

Last Edited by on Apr 24, 2010 8:20 AM
Ev630
295 posts
Apr 24, 2010
8:19 AM
GermanHarpist
1363 posts
Apr 24, 2010
8:34 AM
Haha, funny as hell!

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Diggsblues
281 posts
Apr 24, 2010
12:07 PM
Pachelbel Canon in D Major revisited



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Last Edited by on Apr 24, 2010 12:11 PM
nacoran
1767 posts
Apr 25, 2010
9:21 PM
EV- I've seen that first one before. Too funny. The second one strikes a chord with me. I didn't play cello, but I played baritone tuba. Lousy parts.

Diggs- Holy cow!

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Andrew
944 posts
Apr 26, 2010
3:19 AM
In one respect it's amusing (and it would be more so if I knew more of the songs), but in another respect, err, bluesmen criticising clichéd chord progressions, err, pot, err, kettle, err, swarthy much?
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Ev630
310 posts
Apr 26, 2010
3:47 AM
I'm not criticising cliched chord progressions. I'm commenting on quaint bullshit notion (subscribed to by some here) that there is or needs to be innovation in modern music.
phogi
405 posts
Apr 26, 2010
3:48 AM
Cruel? A school band sounds like crap without a tuba. You can get by without a baritone tuba, but then your band sounds like a mickey mouse band. Cruel is selling kids the idea that they can sound good and then not delivering. No tuba = band won't sound good for many years = kids decide music ain't so cool after all.

Also, most kids who learn the tuba (and baritone tuba) play a school owned instrument. Last I heard providing a child with $5,000 of instrument was considered a nice thing to do. Also, kids are often eager to play the tuba. They know it's important. Kids want to be important. And what tuba players learn about music (basslines especially) far surpasses what most harmonica players know about music.

Don't believe? Talk to Jason Ricci's bass player.
Ev630
311 posts
Apr 26, 2010
3:54 AM
phogi, it was just banter. I defer to your wisdom as regards school bands.
Ev630
312 posts
Apr 26, 2010
3:55 AM
Nate's comment, "Lousy parts", refers.
phogi
406 posts
Apr 26, 2010
3:57 AM
I know, but i had to pipe up. Your band has to get pretty advanced before the tuba parts are exciting.
Ev630
314 posts
Apr 26, 2010
4:00 AM
Right, and I guess that was Nate's point. Not too thrilling for a kid.

Okay "some kids".
Diggsblues
283 posts
Apr 26, 2010
4:24 AM
From what I've heard the Disney auditions are pretty tough.LOL

Last Edited by on Apr 26, 2010 4:25 AM
Andrew
945 posts
Apr 26, 2010
4:53 AM
I you like the tuba, you should listen to the sousaphone playing on Buck Jump, my favourite Dirty Dozen Brass Band CD.
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oda
281 posts
Apr 26, 2010
9:27 AM
Thank you so much for the third video. The Pantene commercial. That was absolutely beautiful and inspiring. I am looking to make a short animated film and this gives me the inspiration to tell a story in a short time period and still ignite emotion in the viewer. Well done!
nacoran
1768 posts
Apr 26, 2010
10:55 AM
Here's the thing about the baritone tuba- The trombone can play your part and they can do all that slide stuff you can't. If you learn trumpet, the fingering is the same for the lines and spaces in the Treble Clef as it is for the baritone down in the Bass Clef. If you learn the embouchure for the trumpet it's easy to switch to the baritone. It doesn't work nearly as well the other direction. Sure, you can upgrade to a tuba when you are big enough to handle it, but if you play trombone you are in much better shape for any kind of music besides classical, and if you play the trumpet, it's the same thing, except that if you want to switch tuba, well, you can.

It wasn't until midway through middle school that they finally got a second instrument for me to borrow. That way I could keep one at home and one in school.

Oda- Have you ever seen Kiwi!

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MichaelAndrewLo
327 posts
Apr 26, 2010
11:02 AM
When I was at the Music Academy of the West, there was the most amazing Tuba player I'd ever seen. He played all of Bach's cello suites on tuba. It was a solo concert too and 1.5 hours long of just tuba!
congaron
846 posts
Apr 26, 2010
12:26 PM
The baritone player and i would switch parts in the marching band. It gave us a cool descant trumpet part and a low melody that eventually slipped by the band director as "just the way it is sometimes...." He eventually stopped coming back when we did it and actually seemed to like the variation...but not the first time...lol.
phogi
407 posts
Apr 27, 2010
4:12 AM
Back to the OT:

One side: Only 24 hours every day, there's only 12 notes a man can play.

Another view: All copy and no creativity make jack a dull boy.

Music is a creative expression. To mime exactly is not creative. Conversely, if you are doing something totally new, nine times out of ten you are messing something up. But once in a while it ends up being worth the 9 mess-ups.
nacoran
1771 posts
Apr 27, 2010
3:57 PM
Phogi, to expand on your observation, the question is who gets to be creative.

I think at least with classical music the assumption was that the composer and maybe the director got to be creative. The musicians got to be the implements of that creativity, like a construction worker building from a blueprint someone else drew up.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's a different thing than what I imagine most blues players are used to.

It's quite possible though to find a sort of state of bliss in expressing what the sheet music says. It's kind of meditative, and for some sounds it's the only way they can be created. If you have a whole section of violins playing something staccato the only way it will sound good is if they sort of give up their independence to the greater whole.

We can complain that they aren't being creative, but they can complain we aren't being disciplined.

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GermanHarpist
1376 posts
Apr 27, 2010
4:18 PM
"We can complain that they aren't being creative, but they can complain we aren't being disciplined."

You may be able to jam in a 5 piece band, maybe even 10. But a whole orchester... And if you think about it. 30, 40, 50, 100 people in total harmony... joined as one. There's something amazing about that. A whole new level of musical performance/musical composition.

Jamming is more about creativity, orchestral music is about perfection.


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Last Edited by on Apr 27, 2010 4:35 PM
GermanHarpist
1377 posts
Apr 27, 2010
4:23 PM
Then again, being your own composer, creating music on the spot... there's something damn amazing about that too. Even if you're just a duo.
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