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Been tweaking my digitech pedal.
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congaron
679 posts
Mar 16, 2010
8:04 AM
I copied the patches on richard hunter's website as closely as my discontinued model would let me. I was a little disappointed in the results, until i sat down with some extra time and tweaked them and recorded the changes one parameter at a time. I have found a dynamic vocal mic gives me the wide variety of tone anyway, but now with the pathes modified I can get that chicago sax tone I was lacking and no feedback. Looks like a mic is off the list of things to get with my bonus. Still going to get a lady luck or two for the volume increas and possible darkening of the tone. I can always modify it via my pedal if it's a little too dark.

Just wanted to post that the digitech pedals can give you that tone you want if you put the time in to get the settings right. If I had the same model pedal on the Hunter site, i'm sure they would have worked fine since those parameters are more fine tunable than mine are. I had to switch amp models and change eq settings to get the same sounds.
HarpNinja
281 posts
Mar 16, 2010
8:30 AM
For some time I have been tempted to get a clean rig and then use a Digi Tech or Line 6 pedal like this. So tempting!!!
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toddlgreene
1036 posts
Mar 16, 2010
8:46 AM
I've got an old RP200 that I used to fool with quite a bit, and I added several patches, including RH's patches and some of my own. I don't know if the modelling capabilities have improved, but I never got any patches that sounded 'warm' enough for my liking. It definitely wouldn't work for blues, at least not to my ears. However, it was fun for playing fusion-type stuff-lots of possibilities there. Still got it, and will sell it real cheap, if'n any of y'all wanna fool with it. Note that I don't have the power supply any more.
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Last Edited by on Mar 16, 2010 8:47 AM
congaron
680 posts
Mar 16, 2010
10:23 AM
I should add that the patches I cam up with are for my gig rig..the valve junior and twin 12 inch cab. I haven't tackled tweaking them for the keyboard amp or PA yet. From the variety i was able to come up with yesterday I am confident the sounds are in there. On the rp80 there is less adjustment on some of the effect parameters, so you have to add or subtract other similar effects to get the result you might get with the rp200 or 250 (or whichever one it is he made them for) on the hunter patches. I have had this pedal for quite some time as a guitar pedal, so familiarity helps, I'm sure. The RP80 has an expression pedal and I still prefer it as a volume control for my dynamic mic. I have played around more with the EQ as well. I'm really liking it and plan on making several new patches of my own now that i know how it interacts with the valve junior and my cab. I may wait on that until there is a lady luck or two in the picture....lol.
toddlgreene
1038 posts
Mar 16, 2010
10:41 AM
On the topic of amp modelling, I posted this last year from my rock band, am540. I recorded the harp on this with an sm57, right into the board, then through a Sansamp in ProTools set to a tweed model of some sort, with some onboard echo thrown in. It's got a harshness I wouldn't want for a blues recording, but for rock, it worked. There are a couple of transition parts I play in the beginning and between verses, then a solo at the end. Pick the 'Last Round' link.


I've never fooled around with the modelling capabilities that are now available on some amps or pedals, but after hearing some of Brandon Bailey's results with that little Vox, I'd like to.



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Last Edited by on Mar 16, 2010 10:52 AM
isaacullah
839 posts
Mar 16, 2010
11:00 AM
Yeah, you have to spend a little time with it, for sure. The new Digitech RP units with the last number "5" (155, 255, etc) are USB enabled, and you can use the really nice software interface (x-edit) to hone in your sound very easily. I've found that with my new Valve Jr, I get a better sound by just using the "direct" amp model (ie, a model of a DI box), and only using the delay/effect combos plus various EQ's and Compression. I can alter the voice of the Valve Jr a little by judicious use of amp/cab sims. But I use them MUCH more mildly than I would with a clean keyboard amp or a PA. In effect, I'm relying on the Valve Jr for the bitchin amped tone, and I'm using the amp/cab models in the digitech to just nudge that tone around a little. On the other hand, in my patches for a clean solid state amp/PA, I rely on those amp/cab models to get a good amped tone.

In response to Todd, I have not found it difficult to find really nice and warm blues tone through either method. The trick lies mainly in the proper combination of relevant EQ settings and the amp/cab model and those model settings. Adjustign these on the unit itself is kind of a bitch, but doing it throught he software interface is dead easy. I don't get huge amounts of time these days to sit and fool around with harp stuff, but I find that every time I do a "digitech session" (maybe 15 min of free time with no one around), I come out with at least one new useable patch. So over the last several weeks since I've had my Digitech RP155, I've created 20 great patches, and have got them lined up in the patch order of the unit so I can do 5 beatbox/looping songs in a row, and then dick around with some blues stuff and some avant garde stuff at the end. The idea is to have the unit set up in order of a "set list" so that when I practice, it's as if I was gigging so that when I eventually have time to go out to the streets again, I'll have it all down pat, and I won't have to mess with the unit anymore to get what I want.
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toddlgreene
1040 posts
Mar 16, 2010
11:05 AM
Isaac, I'm thinking the technology has gotten better since I bought mine, probably 15 years ago. Pre-USB ports and all. I'm sure nowadays there's some pretty respectable models that would be great for harp. Plus, it could have been my lack of patience with mine at the time. Yeah, the EQ tweaking on my RP200 was a bitch;I think that alone discouraged me from taking it further.
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congaron
683 posts
Mar 16, 2010
11:18 AM
I haven't tried any cabinet global modeling yet. I think I will do that with some settings into my PA or keyboard amp to see what i can come up with. I found a high gain tube amp model that really sounds good on the lowest gain setting available...bump it one notch and it's feedback and harsh city. On 1, it's warm and round like a sax...with the Eq on max bass, 1 midrange and 2 or 3 (out of 9, with 5 being flat) on the treble. I just stumbled onto that one. I am going to try other amp models later when i get my new cab or cabs..thinking seriously about getting two lady lucks since I don't need a mic. This thing seriously cranks with the two jensens and they are only rated 94 db/1 wat/@1m efficiency, for a combined of 97-100 maybe in the cab together. Each lady luck is 99 and two stacked should give 102-105 db/watt@1m.

Im expecting one lady luck to easily equal my twin cab in volume. Having two would be nice so i can have one up closer to ear level as a monitor..that's why I run mine vertically instead of side by side. I can mic the lower one into the PA ans still use them both on stage with the top one as a nice monitor, even when the guitar player gets carried away.

Last Edited by on Mar 16, 2010 12:19 PM
Ryan
220 posts
Mar 17, 2010
12:20 AM
I really like the Bassman model patch that Richard uses in this clip. Granted it may not sound exactly like a real bassman amp, but I still think it sounds pretty good, especially considering the huge price difference between the two : )
I actually just bought one a couple of days ago off ebay, but haven't had a chance to work with it yet. I think it will be great for practicing in my apartment where loud noise is really an issue.



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