jonsparrow
1831 posts
Jan 21, 2010
11:58 PM
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so were nearing the end of january now. has any one received a b-radical yet? i guess not sense no one mentioned it. but has any one gotten a bill to make the full payment yet? they should be shipping by now no? i gotta wait to have my engraved but time is comming (i think) an im starting to get excited. the web site hasnt changed yet.
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Last Edited by on Jan 21, 2010 11:59 PM
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Kingley
652 posts
Jan 22, 2010
12:41 AM
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Michael Peloquin stated on Harp L on the 15th of January 2010 the following regarding the B-Radical.
"Production has begun in the last week. We will begin assembly and shipping next week."
So if that is true then they should be shipping out today at the latest.
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jonsparrow
1834 posts
Jan 22, 2010
8:43 AM
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awesome. so two more weeks for me...
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Kingley
666 posts
Jan 22, 2010
10:45 AM
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Well before you get your hopes up I would recommend emailing them to find out if that's when they will deliver.
As you know Jon, they have been known to move the deadline before.
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Buddha
1299 posts
Jan 22, 2010
10:59 AM
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"Kingley
666 posts"
Is that a message from hell?
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Kingley
667 posts
Jan 22, 2010
11:10 AM
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Lol!
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AW
25 posts
Jan 22, 2010
6:12 PM
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I haven't heard anything new.
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Philosofy
325 posts
Jan 22, 2010
7:47 PM
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I've been holding off building a new harp suitcase, cause I want to make sure the cubbies will hold any harmonica, and the B-Rad looks like it might be bigger than any other. I emailed them awhile back asking for the dimensions, but got no response.
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Stickman
130 posts
Jan 22, 2010
7:49 PM
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Hey! I e-mailed Hohner once and got the same response.
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jonsparrow
1844 posts
Jan 22, 2010
7:57 PM
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lol
well they say its bigger then a marine band but smaller then a golden melody.
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Philosofy
326 posts
Jan 22, 2010
8:04 PM
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The one Jason has looks like its thicker than any other harp at the back. I make my harp cases out of spanish cedar, and want to make sure the B Rad will fit. So, if anyone here gets one, can you post the dimensions? You just need to post the dimensions, I don't think anyone here really cares about how they play. :)
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jonsparrow
1849 posts
Jan 22, 2010
8:11 PM
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HAHA. well they say that they slimmed the model down from the version that jason had. but i agree they do look pretty big.
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Stickman
132 posts
Jan 22, 2010
8:17 PM
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"Objects and promises on the internet may be bigger than they appear"
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The Art Teacher Formally Known As scstrickland
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Philosofy
328 posts
Jan 22, 2010
8:18 PM
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Their website still says "Coming this fall..."
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jonsparrow
1851 posts
Jan 22, 2010
8:26 PM
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lmao!
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Kingley
669 posts
Jan 23, 2010
1:38 AM
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Maybe it means fall 2010, 2011, 2018 or 20 never!!!!!!
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Kingley
699 posts
Jan 26, 2010
8:29 AM
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So according to Michael Peloqiun last week was when they would start shipping the B-Radicals out to people.
Anybody received one yet?
Anybody had a final invoice yet?
Anybody had an email giving them more info yet?
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Luke Juke
84 posts
Jan 26, 2010
8:57 AM
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According to the website, If I order one today then I get it by April. Dont think I'll risk it just yet
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jonsparrow
1895 posts
Jan 26, 2010
9:10 AM
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i heard that they shipped out yesterday.
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phogi
210 posts
Jan 26, 2010
9:13 AM
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for real? who did you hear it from?
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jonsparrow
1897 posts
Jan 26, 2010
9:22 AM
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jay guant told me he heard it from brad.
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Kingley
705 posts
Jan 26, 2010
9:25 AM
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Well if it's true by friday at the latest there should be online reports and pictures of the B-Radical.
I wouldn't hold my breath though.
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Kingley
711 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:03 AM
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It would appear that they haven't sent out invoices, started shipping or given any more info to anyone yet.
I asked over on Harp L and Harmonica Space the same questions and on HS there have been no answers whilst quite a few people from Harp L have contacted me and said they have heard nothing from Brad. Some of these people have pre-ordered at least 3 harmonicas.
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jonsparrow
1912 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:25 AM
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hmmm...i wonder...
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Ryan
85 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:59 AM
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I also wonder what's causing the hold-up, it sounded like they had everything just about ready. I don't like to speculate, because sometimes people have a tendency to take speculations and start spreading them around, and then other people assume it's fact. But..... if I were Brad and the harps that were coming off the line weren't playing just the way I wanted, I'd probably go through and adjust each and every one to make sure they play great (the first impression is going to be extremely important after all, especially after everything people have been saying). Remember I'm not saying this is the case, but pesonally, if he were to take even more time to make sure the harps are just right, I wouldn't be too upset(a little disappointed maybe). The harps aren't cheap and I want to get my moneys worth, not just get it as soon as possible.
If anybody who's preordered a harp is really that upset, I'd be willing to bet Brad would refund the $35 deposit. Although in the past it seemed that the people who did the most complaining and nay-saying were people who hadn't even ordered a harp.
I will say that I do hope there aren't anymore delays, and more importantly I hope he keeps us informed and lets us know what's happening soon.
Last Edited by on Jan 27, 2010 1:00 AM
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Kingley
712 posts
Jan 27, 2010
2:01 AM
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Ryan,
Let me begin by saying I have not pre-ordered a B-Radical. However that doesn't make my point any less valid, as this product is of concern to a large section of the harmonica community.
I agree with you that Brad may be personally setting up the first batch.
However as you rightly say the first impression is extremely important. A significant portion of the harmonica world has been watching and waiting for this product.
With the B-Radical (rightly or wrongly) the first impression that Brad has given is that he has nothing but total disregard for his customers.
He has very rarely responded to questions about the B-Radical delivery times, etc. I can actually only think of one response off the top of my head. To keep your customer base in the dark in this fashion is a shoddy, unprofessional practice.
He has failed to keep the people who have pre-ordered up to date via email communication as to the status of the B-Radical after the supposed delivery time (Fall 2009). Now it doesn't take a minute to write an email and then use a bulk email program to send it out. So there is no excuse for this.
When he does speak it's just sales talk (the FPT-9, blah, blah, blah) which is just designed to placate the customer by baffling him with science. This same trick is used by salesman worldwide.
To me this is a shocking state of affairs and I can state hand on heart that I would (will) never buy a B-Radical harmonica.
I'd prefer to give my hard earned money for harmonicas, mics amps, etc to people like Joe Spiers, Chris Michalek, Richard Sleigh, Jimmy Gordon, Brian Purdy, Randy Landry, Greg Heumann. All people who make wonderful products (just look at the reviews they get).
All of those people are helpful, communicative and know that they are where the buck stops if something does go wrong. They do not bury their heads in the sand or hide behind techno babble when the community asks them honest open questions.
I really do hope that all of you who have pre-ordered do get them sometime soon and that they live up to your expectations.
Paul "Kingley" Routledge
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OzarkRich
95 posts
Jan 27, 2010
7:50 AM
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@Kingley
"Let me begin by saying I have not pre-ordered a B-Radical."
"He has failed to keep the people who have pre-ordered up to date via email communication as to the status of the B-Radical after the supposed delivery time (Fall 2009)."
As one who has pre-ordered a B-radical, I thought I should let you know that I HAVE received updates. The latest one was a little longer than the length of your last post.
I don't consider this to be much different from ordering a custom from others where the lead time can be six months to a year, with little communication as we "know" they'll eventually deliver. The only differences are all the speculation since it's a yet to be proven product, and that they didn't meet their claimed time frame for delivery. From what I've read on this forum, most customizers don't even give delivery dates that far out. I doubt any of the individuals you listed had good reviews BEFORE their first products came out either.
I've changed my mind on the key of the harp and decided to add engraving and had good communication on both those changes.
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Kingley
718 posts
Jan 27, 2010
8:10 AM
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Ozark,
Firstly I'm glad you had good communication on both those changes. I really hope it arrives with you soon and even though I will never buy one, I look forward to reading the user reviews of it. Just to see if in peoples opinions it lives up to the hype.
"From what I've read on this forum, most customizers don't even give delivery dates that far out. I doubt any of the individuals you listed had good reviews BEFORE their first products came out either."
Well firstly this isn't a custom harmonica. It's a new production line harmonica. Therefore it's not a one man operation producing hand crafted items out of a small home workshop.
Secondly of all the other people on that list I mentioned. None of them either asked for money up front or touted their products to the community at large until they physically had launched them. They also deliver on time and in many cases more quickly than they state.
In the case of harmonica customisers Joe Spiers and Chris Michalek. They have become victims of their own success and therefore as one man operations they naturally have longer lead times. They both however give people an estimated time and will by all accounts respond to emails promptly.
Which is something that according to 99.9% of the people I have heard from Brad doesn't seem to do when it involves direct questions such as "When will I receive my goods?".
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congaron
465 posts
Jan 27, 2010
8:31 AM
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"Which is something that according to 99.9% of the people I have heard from Brad doesn't seem to do when it involves direct questions such as "When will I receive my goods?".
Unless you have spoken to 1000 customers, this is not the correct percentage, given only the one testimonial by Ozarkrich in this thread. Just saying. Not trying to offend, but accurate numbers would help you make your point better than numbers like this.
I'm not trying to fuel the fire, but it seems the b-radical resembles some other new products, including automobiles, that have encountered production delays after advertising the new product. Hype is nothing new. Why would anybody even consider buying something brand new in concept and for lots more money if there is no information "hype" ahead of time to entice the purchase? I am not a customer, now or in the foreseeable future, but I do understand the process and can't really see any point to discouraging the folks on the waiting list.
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OzarkRich
96 posts
Jan 27, 2010
8:40 AM
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@Kingley
Wasn't trying to disagree with you. I'm assuming you have talked to others who had pre-ordered and simply adding my perspective. I was also following your lead in comparing the B-rad to customs.
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jonsparrow
1914 posts
Jan 27, 2010
8:51 AM
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i never receive any updates from them, but when i asked to have mine engraved mike replied right away.
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Kingley
720 posts
Jan 27, 2010
9:04 AM
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Narcoran at a rough guess I would say maybe 20-30 people. Out of all of those people, Ozark is the only one who had a positive experience that I know of with regards to communication. None of those people as far as I am aware have been told when to realistically expect delivery of their harmonica.
Ozark, when the B-Radical finally arrives I would be interested (as I'm sure many people would be), on hearing your opinion of it. Especially if you own other high end harmonicas.
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OzarkRich
97 posts
Jan 27, 2010
9:46 AM
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@jon: I received email updates on 12-15 and 12-31. If you didn't get these email me at levee42@yahoo.com and I'll forward them. On 12-15 they were still 2-4 weeks out. Along with at least a 2 week delay for engraving, I'm not expecting mine till February (barring other updates).
@Kingley: I plan to give a review from an intermediate players perspective. I don't have any true customs but can compare it to the following in the same key (A):
Hohner Big River
Suzuki Promaster
Dannecker Blues
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nacoran
889 posts
Jan 27, 2010
11:44 AM
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"Narcoran at a rough guess I would say maybe 20-30 people. Out of all of those people, Ozark is the only one who had a positive experience that I know of with regards to communication."
Kingly, did I have a post in this thread? What are you responding to/talking about? I'm confused. I can't tell from context what I was talking about! Oh well. lol.
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ness
138 posts
Jan 27, 2010
11:50 AM
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@kingley,
"With the B-Radical (rightly or wrongly) the first impression that Brad has given is that he has nothing but total disregard for his customers.
He has very rarely responded to questions about the B-Radical delivery times, etc. I can actually only think of one response off the top of my head. To keep your customer base in the dark in this fashion is a shoddy, unprofessional practice. "
Let's not believe for a minute that this forum is THE place to ask him questions, and let's not criticize him for not answering them here either. If you want to know what's going on, I'm sure they have a contact e-mail on their site.
Also, I doubt up-to-the-minute progress updates are very near the top of Brad's list of things to do today. He was criticized for missing the 'fall' deadline, why would he keep throwing dates out there, especially in a place like this?
He appears to be handling all these negative waves just like he should -- by ignoring it all.
They'll come. They'll be good. There won't be unanimous agreement on their quality or value. And this place will beat it to death, and beyond.
I can't wait.
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blogward
72 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:00 PM
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I wonder which wil come first - my Buddha or B-Radicals?
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Kingley
725 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:14 PM
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Brad has just posted this on Harp L and hopefully he won't object to me posting it over here.
Hello friends,
As we ramp up for production we are always looking for great talant! We at Harrison Harmonicas, Inc. would like to proudly announce the addition of Dave Payne to our team! We are very excited to have added Dave's talents and wealth of knowledge. Please help us to welcome Dave to Harrison Harmonicas, Inc.
As Michael Peloqin has relocated from CA., Dave and his family will be relocating as well, from WV. I would also like to publicly thank them both of their dedication and for uprooting their lives for Harrison Harmonicas and our wonderful instrument! It is a true testimonial of their love for the harmonica! Thank you both!
Dave will be working directly with me in the factory as we begin production of the B-radical. --Dave, get ready for some 15 hour work days!
As a reminder Michael is our Customer Service Managing Partner. As a bonus to HH, Michael and Jason Ricci will be teaming up to offer Masterclasses in the near future. These classes are going to be amazing. Michael and Jason are not just World Class players, they are both great teachers too! It is exciting to listen to them talk passionately about what and how they are planing to offer something different. I am looking forward to theses classes, and will be attending them myself for sure.
While I am here;
We have been assembling the first lot of B-radical harmonicas in the key of Bb. They will be shipped out early next week! I am extremely proud of the B-radical! I personally can't wait for our clients to get the chance to finally receive and play them. Thank you all for your tremendous support and patience with regards to our production delays. Get ready, they are coming!!!
Warmly,
Brad Harrison
Brad Harrison
Founder/President
Harrison Harmonicas-"The only harmonica manufactured in the USA!" http://www.harrisonharmonicas.com
312-590-0527 Direct
So I guess those harmonicas should soon be with their owners. I hope to read some good reviews and see some product shots from people.
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toddlgreene
622 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:25 PM
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Wow, so no more Elk River Harmonicas?
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eharp
460 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:30 PM
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one thing that has been overlooked, i think, is that brad has some folks working for him that believe in the product enough to move 1/2 way across the country. first micheal and now dave. and it isnt like they are moving to some southern hot spot, either. (not that i have anything against chicago.)
it looks like the first Bb's should be being played by next weekend.
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jonsparrow
1917 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:33 PM
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phew...good thing i ordered a Bb. lol. too bad i had it engraved. either way, i should expect it to be here in 2 weekish.
is it just me or does brad seem like hitler? seems like hes taking over the harmonica world an recruiting every one an even making them move there families an come to him. he must have something really promising to offer them. "JOIN THE HH OR DIE!"
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bluemoose
115 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:42 PM
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thanks for the heads up Kingley! Damn though, it's been so long I can't remember if I ordered a B-flat or not. :(
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eharp
462 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:42 PM
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i only wish i was a good enough player, or whatever that brad's looking for to score a sweet sounding gig!
jon- more like jim jones!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
(note to employees- do not drink the kool-aid in the break room!!)
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jonsparrow
1919 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:45 PM
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LMAO!!!
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toddlgreene
624 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:46 PM
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Congrats, Dave!
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jonsparrow
1921 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:47 PM
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he cant hear you toddlgreene. hes all the way in chicago.
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ZackPomerleau
521 posts
Jan 27, 2010
1:20 PM
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I have to make a comment. If Brad and the others are personally adding some magic touches to the harmonica for the first batch, isn't that going to be creating a false belief? People will play them and find them amazing and then go and buy MORE when those ones will be of lesser quality. I guess I'm still dumbfounded by the fact they are more than most custom harmonicas.
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nacoran
893 posts
Jan 27, 2010
3:18 PM
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The proof will be in the pudding Zack. Maybe by keeping the prices high per harp they will be able to spend more on quality control than other companies. At their prices they may sell fewer units than other places, but keeping a reputation for quality will be doubly important.
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ZackPomerleau
532 posts
Jan 27, 2010
3:44 PM
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That is true nacoran, but quality is not only within the product it is within the customer service, too. And, Jon and E harp, I think you guys got some radical thinking! hahaha.
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eharp
465 posts
Jan 27, 2010
5:50 PM
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would you guys tell me if i am the most dense one here?
i just noticed that the 1st four letters of b-radical spell Brad. as in brad.
you know, it is so obvious that i actually hope i am the last to notice or that will make those that havent noticed reeeaaaaaly dense.
lol
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jonsparrow
1926 posts
Jan 27, 2010
5:52 PM
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lol i never noticed.
i allways thought it stood for: brad radical.
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