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"The Deb" by Magic Dave Therault
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wheel
638 posts
Jun 13, 2019
2:53 PM
This song for me is one of the best harmonica instrumentals ever recorded. I know every bar of it and I've recorded it 6 years ago.
It's time to revisit "The Deb" that was recorded by Magic Dave Therault. It's probably the hardest song I've played (it's seen on my face :) ).
hope you will like it

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Last Edited by wheel on Jun 13, 2019 11:11 PM
jbone
2946 posts
Jun 13, 2019
7:04 PM
You have great chops. And large balls. I would nor could never get that even close!
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wheel
639 posts
Jun 14, 2019
11:51 AM
jbone, Thank you so much! :) I've transcribed it in 3 days and then I've started training it. It took 3 weeks, but I'm not even 50% close to the original. It's impeccable!
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BronzeWailer
2110 posts
Jun 15, 2019
4:17 PM
You're in a different league, wheel. Inspired me to study something (simpler) more intensively.

Keep on doing what your're doing!

Cheers.

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Gnarly
2663 posts
Jun 15, 2019
4:25 PM
Worth pointing out that The Deb is basically a minor blues.
jbone
2950 posts
Jun 15, 2019
7:31 PM
It does have a jazz feel Gnarly. And it's pretty technical to me!
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Gnarly
2664 posts
Jun 15, 2019
9:48 PM
The original recording is a treat--and sounds like a live recording!

And Konstantin makes it easy to cop, if anyone wants to play along.
Not easy, for sure!
Grey Owl
973 posts
Jun 15, 2019
10:59 PM
Congratulations Wheel, that was a very fine effort on a difficult song to play. Nice tone too. It is one of my favourite harp songs. Has anyone seen Magic Dave playing this live and if so is this typical of his style and appear in his sets?

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Simon
11 posts
Jun 16, 2019
12:48 AM
Wow! That was really cool.
Just out of curiosity (question to you Konstantin and to anyone else reading), what kind of gear gives that Magic Dave horn-like sound?
nacoran
10131 posts
Jun 16, 2019
6:47 AM
Saw that on Facebook. Nice playing!

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wheel
640 posts
Jun 16, 2019
2:08 PM
BronzeWailer, thank you so much, pal! You are too kind. You can try the Deb. You have the skills.
BTW I've made a video about it.
It contains tabs, chords and backing track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MmY6t7kHNg

Gnarly, thank you! I think it's live recording too. I'm curious was it improvised or prepared before?

Grey Owl, thank you so much! I've found another one from the set and blues album with him as a sideman. It's good, but nowhere close to the Deb!
https://www.discogs.com/ru/artist/5070964-Dave-Therault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSzYmZ39U7Q

nacoran, thank you again!

Simon, thank you so much! I've used astatic with CR +lone wolf harp break + t-rex reptile delay and mosky reverb. I think Dave had that sound because of recording quality - it cut highs and mids. He definitely has an amazing tone, bends control and phrasing, but I think that flute kind of sound is because of recording quality.

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Gnarly
2668 posts
Jun 16, 2019
3:12 PM
Thanks!
Konstantin's video with tabs for Bb harp in third position

This is nice, but not the transcription for the whole tune in the original position.

THAT would be nice to have!

Last Edited by Gnarly on Jun 16, 2019 3:15 PM
indigo
565 posts
Jun 16, 2019
10:11 PM
"I can tell you exactly when Dave Therault began playing harp: summer 1974, after we met while I was playing a gig at the Oar and Anchor (also known as the Sore and Chancre, or the Score and Thank Her) in Falmouth, Cape Cod, Massachusetts. Dave told me later that he was inspired by my playing, and took up harp immediately after. So far as I know, he didn't know Magic Dick, and certainly he didn't start playing around the time Magic Dick did, which would have been sometime in the 1960s (the J. Geils band's first record was released on Atlantic records in the fall of 1970, or so I recall--it was one of the first records I bought after moving to Boston at that time). "
A quote from Richard Hunter (via Grey owl post years ago)
Grey Owl
976 posts
Jun 17, 2019
12:12 AM
Thanks for the links Wheel. I liked the harp work on that song it sounded innovative although of a different style to The Deb.

Indigo thanks I've just reread that whole thread again. There still seems a touch of mystery about him.

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wheel
641 posts
Jun 18, 2019
2:25 PM
Gnarly, I will think about tabs. The main problem is that I don't have tabs, because I made very primitive music sheet. The second problem is that I use valves on all my harmonicas and changed the song a little bit by moving some phrases to different registers on harmonica.

Grey Owl, I started topic on FB with my recording and some friends of Dave posted some info about him. Probably you could be interested: https://www.facebook.com/groups/214229322273955/permalink/841906192839595/
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wheel
642 posts
Jun 18, 2019
2:33 PM
The main theme is
-3 -4 +5 -4 -3 -3'' +3-3'' -3 +3 +2
+2 +3 -3'' +3 +2 -2' -3'' -3 +3 +2
+2 +3 -3''' -3'' -3 +3 -2' +2
-3 -3'' +3 -3'' -3 +2 -2' -2
first 12 bars of the impro
-3-4+5-4 -3-3'' -4-4'+4-3 +2+3-3-4+5-4-3''
-4+4-3-3''+3-2'+2 -2' -2' -2-2'-2-3 -3-4+4
+2+3-3-3 -2 -2'+2 +3+3 -3-3 +3 +2 -2'-2
-4'-4 -5 -4' +4
hope it helps someone :)


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Gnarly
2670 posts
Jun 18, 2019
7:41 PM
Great!
As I said, the video you made many years ago makes it much easier to play along--but Dave made such an inspired recording, it's difficult to imitate!
Grey Owl
977 posts
Jun 19, 2019
12:11 AM
Thanks Wheel but that link didn't work for me.

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wheel
644 posts
Jun 19, 2019
10:10 AM
Grey Owl, it's closed group, but you can ask for access.
some quotes:
"Magic Dave sat in with my band a few times at the Plantation Club in Worcester, MA. He usually only had one of two harps with him and still played entire sets -- no matter the key. Great, great player."

"Dave is a personal friend of mine. I haven't seen him in a long time. I played with him a few times in Dallas, Texas and I stayed at his home when he was living in Colorado Springs, Colorado. He is a great guy that is fluent in jazz and in traditional blues as well."
"Originally, Dave was a trombone player and then moved to harmonica. It is very interesting that his tune "The Deb" (his wife) starts out sounding like a trombone but, it is not a trombone.. it is a harmonica."
"Please know that Dave recorded "The Deb" a very, very long time ago when he was quite young.. maybe in the 70's"
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Grey Owl
978 posts
Jun 20, 2019
2:04 AM
Thanks Wheel, Interesting info.I like the fact that he was a trombone player first and used his experience to transfer his musical skills to the harmonica in a most amazing way. It would be great to hear him playing again on the harp as there is little in the way of old recordings of his work.



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Last Edited by Grey Owl on Jun 24, 2019 4:51 AM
Grey Owl
980 posts
Jun 24, 2019
4:53 AM
Wheel, you got me thinking about alternative positions for The Deb with your video showing the upper octave tab for 3rd position on a Bb Harp with no bends.

I thought I would try the head of the song on Richter in 2nd position on a low F Harp, 3rd position with bends on a Bb Harp and as well as the original on an Ab Harp in 5th. position.

They all present difficulties with bending but the bends help in getting the trombone like tone. I recorded samples with mic straight into Audacity with reverb added.

F Harp in 2nd position Tab and sound sample.

-4-5+6-5-4+4-3*+4-4-3*-2 , +3-3*+4-3*+3-3**+4-4-3*-2,-2**+3-3*+4-4-3*-3**+3,
-4+4-3*+4-4+3-3**-3*





Bb Harp in 3rd position

-3**+4-4+4-3**+3-2**+3-3**-2**-1, -1-2**-2-2**-1+2+3-3**-2**-1,+1-1-2**-2-3**-2**+2-1
-3**+3-2**+3-3**-1+2-2**




Ab Harp in 5th position

-3-4+5-4-3-3**+3-3**-3+3+2, +2+3-3**+3+2-2*-3**-3+3+2, -1+2-2-3**-3+3-2*+2,
-3-3**+3-3**-3+2-2*-2




I'm not touching the rest of the song!!! My brain is not wired like yours for Jazz progressions :)


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wheel
646 posts
Jun 24, 2019
12:44 PM
Grey Owl, you sound amazing! And you bend control is perfect. Great job!
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Grey Owl
982 posts
Jun 25, 2019
2:09 AM
Thank you Wheel for your kind and generous words, it was a fun little exercise! I can't imagine what patience and practice it must have taken to learn and play the whole song as you so expertly did.

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Last Edited by Grey Owl on Jun 25, 2019 2:19 AM
GamblersHand
704 posts
Jun 25, 2019
3:21 AM
I've always thought you have some of the best and cleanest intonation I have heard, Grey Owl - thanks to you and wheel for posting this. Inspiring!
Grey Owl
983 posts
Jun 25, 2019
3:12 PM
GamblersHand Thank you!

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