Okay, it's not great but I just did a bit of jamming to a B minor blues jam track for a chat on another forum about using 10 overdraw and thought I'd share it here as I haven't posted anything I've done live. It's a stock out of the box Seydel A 1847 Silver. My Joe Spiers custom A Manji is downstairs. No where to hide on this one! have at it but please spare me naive in it's own pleasant way Iceman!
My understanding was that the #10 hole on a Richter diatonic (EDIT: in the key of A) only offered two possible blow bends (G & G#) and one overdraw (A#) beyond the two usual available blow (A) and draw (F#) notes.
I am always interested in expanding my overbends beyond the 5, 6, and occasionally 4 hole overblows. I still struggle to get a decent note on the 7 overdraw on a harp customized for that purpose.
Which note are you speaking of as being an overblow, noted by its time during the video? ----------
Doug S.
Last Edited by dougharps on Sep 17, 2018 7:29 AM
Sorry Doug, my mistake in the original text calling an overdraw an overblow! slip of the pen which I've now edited, 10 overdraw (20 sec.) 9 overdraw (29 sec.) 10 overdraw (51 sec.) and 9 overdraw (59 sec.) 6 passing overblow (1.03) I think!
Last Edited by John M G on Sep 17, 2018 7:21 AM
Come on Jinx. Listening back to it I agree the top end is thin and sounds crap and the phrasing isn't clever. It was a late night error to post it. But come on, if you're going to log into a post and make a critic. Try and come up with something constructive to help rather than just putting shit on it. We can't all be great players and I've got limited years left to me to try and improve so I need encouragement and advice. Why would you even sign your name to a post to put something down with only outright negativity?
Don’t worry too much, John. I can’t even play an overdraw, except sometimes a 7 on a G harp. I mean yeah, you’re pushing it a bit and the execution is iffy at times but your ideas are trending musical, and they seem to be your own ideas. Thanks for sharing. This istqccpe demonstrating use of an A# in a Bmin blues in 3rd position, which is a major 7 and available as 5 overblow or 9 overdraw if you were in 2nd. Interesting that a major 7 works in a minor song.
Hey SuperBee, I really appreciate your reply. You clearly read the post and didn’t just click the play button and understood where I was coming from! The only reason I did the clip at all was just give an idea of musical value I personally hear in the 10 overdraw in 3rd position which I'd thought I’d made pretty obvious in the original post. That's why there were so many overdraws!
Like I'd gone to such extreme lengths to make a pristine recording with the fantastic Logitech 9000 web cam and it's super quality audio and as I'd stated in the original post an ungapped, untouched out of the box 1847 Seydel Silver. I've learnt a lot since finding this forum, there are some really super helpful people that post here that have really contributed to helping us other less advanced players. All of these guys have posted great tutorials and helped advance my playing. Adam, Jason, Will Wilde, Tod Parrott, Howard Levy, Lee Sankey, Richar Sliegh, Budah, Konstantin Reinfeld, Brendan Power, Ronnie Shellist, Dennis Gruenling, Tomlin Leckie, John Gindick, Con O’Niell and others who have all given multiple FREE ONLINE TUTORIALS to help others improve their techniques and share their expert wisdom
Sadly there are (thankfully) just a few others here that just can't help themselves making glib little put downs. Maybe it's to boost their post count! Buggered if I know!? What I do know is I wouldn’t share a drink with them or shake their hands regardless of how good they think they are because they are a million miles away from the qualities of those players I’ve listed above.
John - I appreciate your willingness to post to get input; and non-constructive criticism sucks. As someone who learned from traditional blues guys 50 years ago - there was only play by ear, it always amazes me to see discussions with things like "...which is a major 7 and available as 5 overblow or 9 overdraw if you were in 2nd." I may hear two chord changes ahead and know where I'm going musically, but appreciate the science/theory that today's players are using. Good luck with your progress. ---------- BnT
What did you find so offensive in Jinx comment? Would you have rather he lied and posted that he loved it?
If the “majority” of board members are so “amazing” and “angelic”, than where is their input to be found on your thread?!? Why didn’t these role-model members all chime in?
I respect jinx more for “tough love” than the rest that may try to assuage you with music theory. At least Jinx has the balls to be honest.
.......and yes, it was a bit “harsh” on the ears to listen to. There was some interesting ideas, but the combination of bad recording, harp that wasn’t properly set for overdraws, and most likely limited ability to play 3 position properly all contributed to Jinx comment.
.....I guarantee you that if Adam, Jason, Ronnie, or any other esteemed member of the harmonica community chimed-in, their honest criticism would be in-line with Jinx. They may just say it in a nicer and more subtle manner ;)
That being said you seem like a really nice individual and I would hope that you would drink a beer with those that may share a different opinion than yours. Learn to live and let live.
Once again, epic moustache !
.......BTW, all of the players you mentioned in your last post have most definitely contributed with “free” videos and such, but trust me, none of these players do anything for free. They make money directly and indirectly from these vids and such. Putting food on the table and paying bills never got accomplished by just being “nice” and doing everything altruistically and for free.
.......jinx’s comment, however, was free ;)
Last Edited by CarlA on Sep 21, 2018 6:11 PM
Carl, I quote ”What did you find so offensive in Jinx comment? Would you have rather he lied and posted that he loved it?” Just what kind of an insensitive DH are you? Do you think and I quote Jinx “That was painful” was in anyway constructive? In any way helpful? Likely to inspire anyone else of less than perfect performance levels to dare to post a bit of themselves playing here. Your utter arrogance that YOU alone are the voice and arbitrator for the standards of playing on this forum I find deeply disturbing and objectionable. You have no idea of my musical background and have made assertions on my grasp of musical theory based on what? You have assumed the actions of other members on the forum without ANY true knowledge of any of their thoughts. Jinx was just bloody lazy with 3 words, then signed his name to the put down! Out and out R sole territory in my book and I’ve had the temerity to call you both out on it! Then you come up with this gem, I quote “and yes, it was a bit “harsh” on the ears to listen to. There was some interesting ideas, but the combination of bad recording, harp that wasn’t properly set for overdraws, and most likely limited ability to play 3 position properly all contributed to Jinx comment” Have I missed something! Have you been to Australia recently? Have you been to some of the gigs I’ve played at? Who the hell are you to come up with a comment “and most likely limited ability to play 3 position properly” I am gob smacked by your absolute unthinking boorish arrogance! And here you go again! “....I guarantee you that if Adam, Jason, Ronnie, or any other esteemed member of the harmonica community chimed-in, their honest criticism would be in-line with Jinx. They may just say it in a nicer and more subtle manner ;)” This is the whole point Carl, they don’t! They never have! EVER! They don’t go looking to pull a player apart and berate and belittle them. They are teachers. It makes economic sense not to piss off your possible customers for one and two, if they did what you and Jinx do. They would be instantly seen as sanctimonious, elitist, arrogant arseholes incapable of inspiring anyone to try and improve. I’ll try and keep this bit factual, I wouldn’t share a beer with you under any circumstance. In fact if I had a drinking session and just happened to have a full bladder and you were across the street rolling on fire, I’m afraid I wouldn’t cross the street to vacate on you and ease the burn. So yet another incorrect assumption about my character! And finally, you then put shit on all the guys I’ve mentioned as role models again making half arssed (sic) comments that no one does anything for nothing. That’s your problem Carl. It seems to me you judge everyone else by your own standards. How do you know who does what and how much for free! I really don’t care what you think or do. But I care that there may be some guy out there that was thinking he’d like to post a bit of his music here. Then he’d see the reception he’d be likely to get from you and go somewhere else or give up completely. I’ve tried to remain politically correct here and see Carl, you also like to tread close to the line from a number of your glib previous posts. I’ll avoid your posts and please avoid anything I post. I doubt I’ve got the time left to become a Great Harmonica player I would like to be, pardon me if I keep trying. My goal has been to be the best player I can be and that includes encouraging others to get involved and play and enjoy playing.
......Hanlons razor. As an insult, not a bad retort IF it was appropriate or in any way accurate. I'd have almost been inclined to applaud the barb but may I suggest you Google the Wikipedia page "internet troll" Carl. Read it and then take a long hard look in a mirror. And we are way past talking about my playing acumen here, I'm specifically calling out your obnoxious argumentative arrogant attitude. Like I say, check out the Wikipedia page, here's the link; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Interested to hear what part of the forum creed I broke by my last post?! I guess John’s comment about him rather watching my corpse burn in agonizing pain rather than put the flames out with his own urine, the fact that I am troll (personal flame), that I am an insensitive DH, my boorish arrogance, etc. is much less offensive than my last two posts and doesn’t violate any of the forum creed!
.....I see the hypocrisy runs deep at MBH, and you seem too blind to see it. But hey, c’est la vie.
At least my suspension will allow my ears to rest from that God awful slow blues in B minor.......(vomit)
John MG......go choke on a dick :)
Last Edited by CarlA on Sep 22, 2018 3:34 PM
The sad part of this whole saga is that Jinx & ClarA could have nipped all the drama in the bud by merely posting samples of their own (presumably superior) playing. Videos speak much louder than words.
Last Edited by Sundancer on Sep 22, 2018 6:24 PM
CarlA... you are on suspension. Continuing to post here is a violation. Since you are already aware of your suspension, there only seems to be one solution if you continue.
Since I’ve clearly been identified in this thread as cowardly and emasculated I guess I could complain. Not quite sure what I did to deserve that backhander, but as the only person who remarked on the theoretical aspects of John’s post it’s quite obvious I’m the member who doesn’t have ‘balls’ and isn’t honest and isn’t worthy of respect. So that’s nice.
Super Bb - g’day. My eponymous Golden Retriever (who lived down under for 3 years) taught me that it’s important when you’re out on a walk to ignore the little yapping dawgs behind their fences. There’s some wisdom in his advice.
Last Edited by Sundancer on Sep 22, 2018 7:31 PM
