Killa_Hertz
81 posts
Jan 03, 2016
11:43 AM
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Im looking to make a sound proof Woodshed in my house.
I read that sound PROOFING was a pretty tough task. So i suppose I'm looking to go atleast the sound 'resistant' path.
Anybody have experience with this. And can you recommend any specific products and/or brands.
Amazon has alot of sound proofing panels for pretty cheap. I was thinking of trying them out.
The room is in a finished basement and the walk in closet in there i don't use and want to turn into a woodshed. The room is All sheetrock and wood stud with a sheetrock ceiling. The other side of the basement however has the same accept it has drop ceiling. If the drop ceiling is advantageous to soundproofing i could set something up in there instead. I do know they make soundproof tiles for commercial use.
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STME58
1487 posts
Jan 03, 2016
1:52 PM
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Here is something I researched when I was looking to reduce sound between rooms. The source of the noise dispute went away so I never tried it, but it does look credible. Quiet Rock. It is expensive compared to gypsum board, but cheap compared to the older method of a 6" thick wall with 4" wide studs so there is no solid transfer path between the sheet rock panels in either room.
With any sound proofing product follow the installation instructions closely and don't deviate unless you are certain of how you are impacting the sound path.
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Mirco
355 posts
Jan 03, 2016
2:53 PM
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This has been posted here before, but it's worth posting again:
The Danbocchi Personal Soundproof Room
http://www.japantrendshop.com/danbocchi-personal-soundproof-cardboard-studio-p-2107.html
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The Iceman
2794 posts
Jan 03, 2016
2:54 PM
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Very effective from the good ol' days...save your egg cartons.
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PropMan
77 posts
Jan 03, 2016
2:54 PM
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I did a soundproofing job on my garage. I used rock wool between the studs and stapled mass loaded vinyl covering every wall and the ceiling, taping every seam with Green Glue noise proofing sealant. I then screwed 1/2 concrete backer board to the walls and ceiling and then screwed another layer on top but sandwiched two tubes of green glue between each sheet. Then I installed beadboard over the last layer of backer board. I installed a 1 1/2 thick garage door and hung heavy drapes in front of it.
This work took me 6 months to do and set me back several thousand dollars but our band could rehearse there and not bug the neighbors. It isn't totally soundproof but close enough.
Now the band is caput but I can still jam out there!
I bought all my soundproofing materials from Super Soundproofing in San Marcos, CA.
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Killa_Hertz
85 posts
Jan 03, 2016
4:06 PM
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Wow the whole band rockin out in your soundproof batcave.... lol. That's really cool.
This is just gonna be a lil space for me. And harp isn't very loud. I just wanted something that could put up with maybe a lil amp. Usually just playing at home with a lil 1w .... but it would be nice to be able to break out the big amp, but the soundproofing for that would cost to much.
IWould be happy with just being able to rip acoustic as loud as i want.
Mirco ... if that wasn't 800 bucks it would be just about perfect.
Iceman .. I might just go old school and pad it up with some egg create and blankets.
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Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Jan 03, 2016 4:23 PM
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dougharps
1102 posts
Jan 03, 2016
4:39 PM
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There is a product by Harmonica Einstein called The Huffler that might help if used in your woodshed. I haven't tried one.
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Killa_Hertz
88 posts
Jan 03, 2016
4:52 PM
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Yea ive seen em, but it seems no one has used one. Also looks pretty easy to make.
I image its annoying to have something attached to your harp aswell
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STME58
1488 posts
Jan 03, 2016
5:30 PM
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Perhaps something like this would work?
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Barley Nectar
1023 posts
Jan 03, 2016
5:38 PM
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LOL, the cone of silence! chief, Chief, CHIEF!
I gave my wife earplugs for christmas.....
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Killa_Hertz
89 posts
Jan 03, 2016
5:40 PM
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Hahaha!
That's it! Where do i get one?
Max Smart?
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Killa_Hertz
90 posts
Jan 03, 2016
5:42 PM
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Imma just experiment with it. I just figured someone had built something like it by now.
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Ian
205 posts
Jan 03, 2016
5:53 PM
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Google 'acoustic foam'. Looks like a sheet of tiny foam mountains! I used it for a practice space at my last place (sax not harp). Its pretty impressive although it does remove the acoustics of the space, makes the air sound dull. I guess you could put it behind boarding or something and it might avoid that side effect .
Its what studios use to avoid both echo and sound transmission.
Its not that expensive. And more importantly it's incredibly easy to put up.
Last Edited by Ian on Jan 03, 2016 5:53 PM
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Killa_Hertz
93 posts
Jan 03, 2016
6:06 PM
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Yea ian those are the sound proofing panels i was referring to on amazon.
Thanks. I was wondering how well that stuff worked.
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waltertore
2904 posts
Jan 03, 2016
6:39 PM
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I have built 3 home studios and the best advice is play quiet and bass notes are the real killer with traveling to other rooms. If you play loud- louder than 2 or 3 on a 10 watt amp you are going to have to really get serious to not disturb others. Wood carries sound great thus why instruments are made with it. To really get total isolation of sound you will have to build a room within a room with no walls touching any of the house walls/studs.
With all that said I play at talking volume with all instruments and voice within a few feet of each other with no overdubs and do not disturb my wife in our 1 floor, concrete slab, 1,600sqft house. I built 2'x4 rockwool sound panels and place them strategically around the walls. By strategically I mean let your ears tell you when it is right. Technology today is so good one can get great tones without having to crank amps anymore. In the old days we used big fenders/marshals for live gigs but recorded with 5 watt amps to get the tone going. You can go the hard/expensive route and play loud or go the quiet route for cheap and save your ears too. Walter
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1847
3082 posts
Jan 03, 2016
6:43 PM
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i read somewhere egg crates were ineffective
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nacoran
8861 posts
Jan 03, 2016
7:33 PM
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STME58, actually those don't work! Max finally admitted he in one episode that he knew they didn't work, but they are air conditioned inside so he likes to use them!
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Chris L
97 posts
Jan 03, 2016
7:45 PM
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No perfect solutions here but I have experimented a little with quick and dirty sound reduction on the cheap. If you like the idea of the noise reduction box from Japan, all I can say is Refrigerator cardboard boxes are available locally for a lot less, and are a lot larger. I have one in my basement and it reduces the sound enough my wife can sleep upstairs while I play. I doubled the cardboard layering, threw some heavy rugs/quilts on top and draped the inside with thick micro fleece blankets. There are many sound deadening options for liner, foam insulation from a building supply being another alternative if you want the extra effort.
re: your walk in closet: If you line it floor to ceiling, and on the ceiling with 2" insulating foam and drape the interior, you would get a huge reduction to the rest of the house. Maybe not soundproof, but enough to make the pass through of acoustic playing negligible.
If you want to try just blocking the harp, just as an experiment, put gaffer tape across the back. There will be no outward sound projection as the only airflow is what leaks in and out of the front of the harp. This gives localized sound reduction and, while it affects the way you play, it still feels more natural than blowing through a handful of fleecy toque.
Last Edited by Chris L on Jan 03, 2016 7:54 PM
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Harmonica Lewinskey
111 posts
Jan 04, 2016
2:03 AM
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I did some research on this a while back when a group was going to hire me to build them a vocal recording booth (which never did end up getting built.. I think they forgot that stuff costs money, lol) but something I remember that made a lot of sense was the idea of a "room within a room". Basically your booth should have studs that are independent and staggered from the studs on the wall that is actually exposed to the other room. So lets say someone was to walk up to your booth and knock on the wall they would actually be knocking on the outside wall which has maybe a 4-6 inch space from the inside wall.. I think you could probably put foam in between as well but the main thing is that there is a barrier of air between the walls. They should not be touching, which will eliminate vibrations from being able to transfer.. I can make a quick sketch of what I am talking about if that would help..
-LeWin$key
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Killa_Hertz
94 posts
Jan 04, 2016
4:54 AM
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Walter ... i had never heard of rockwool. They seem to be pretty pro grade.
I think the idea of a room within a room sounds like a good option. Im not going to go super cheap with it, but I'm also planning on moving in the near future so I'm not gonna build something too permanent.
Possibly could build a big version of the chinese box but better. A few sheets of plywood lined with the rockwool and sandwiched with another sheet, drape inside and out with old compforters. Maybe look into some of that green glue propman was talkin about to seal it up. Then when i move i could take it apart n set it back up.
ChrisL ... i figured some heavy blankets and stuff would help. I just wasnt sure how well they would work. Might do a quick n dirty setup for the time being. It might even be good enough that way for what i need.
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Buzadero
1269 posts
Jan 04, 2016
7:09 AM
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Home Depot (and many other sources) sell a cellulose "sound board" that comes in standard 4x8 sheets. I've used it for offshore control and instrumentation vans that are made out of shipping containers. It works fine for keeping out heavy industrial equipment and engine noise, I would imagine it would keep music noise in. It's relatively cheap compared to plywood or other sheet material. I think it's basically compressed recycled cardboard boxes.
Remember that insulating for sound tends to insulate for thermal as well. In your quest to make things quiet you'll usually find that your little quieted space is hot inside. Keep in mind ventilation. Ventilating logistics can allow sound a path to escape, and can also allow exterior sound to enter (including the sound of ventilation itself; blowers, fans, air-flow etc) which can impact any recording attempts.
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Killa_Hertz
96 posts
Jan 04, 2016
9:54 AM
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Good thought. I don't record as of yet, but surely wouldn't want to count it out.
Your ventilation comment Gave me an idea.
Ever seen those white noise machines that doctors put at the doors so you can't hear while talking to patents? Wonder if you could use something like that to mask or breakup the sound.
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