the whole tune may be straight harp. or he swithches to 2 nd for a bit in the middle. sounds a lot like cotton but i bet it is paul. sounds like a crystal mic
solo starts in 2nd, switches to 1st for that high end stuff, then finishes in 2nd.
It would be a good thing if players can clearly hear the difference between the 2 positions without confusion. This may be considered a bench mark for intermediate players. ---------- The Iceman
Hey there, Paul!! Good to see you here! ---------- Sincerely, Barbeque Bob Maglinte Boston, MA http://www.barbequebob.com CD available at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bbmaglinte
"This may be considered a bench mark for intermediate players." Thank you Iceman. I thought you considered me an advanced beginner. How is your blow bend double stops?
Some players explore the high end only in first position because 2nd is a little tougher on the high end. I can tell when 1st or 2nd is being played. He could very well switch harps throughout. I thought so at first, so I got to thinking...could I do all this in second position? It forced me to explore. It's pretty close.
Even if you listen and know for sure, educate yourself a bit. Try the intro in 2nd starting on blow 1....try the second half of the solo on blow 9 in second. Don't forget the double stop blow bend because it sounds closer to what he does. If you have the required skills and knowledge of the harp, you will be amazed at how close you can come.
The second half of the solo would start blow 10 in first. It could just as easy start on blow 9 in second. The reason I think it could be second is the double stop blow bend he does right before the 4/5 warble. You can hear the double stop blow bend partial chord on 8/9 of a D harp.
@harpdude61 -- I've seen plenty of harp players switch harps as many as 5 or 6 times, and not just in blues, but also in country music. It seems that ever since the overblow technique became more popular, one almost gets the feeling that switching harps borderlines on being almost sacriligious, which to me, makes no sense at all. ---------- Sincerely, Barbeque Bob Maglinte Boston, MA http://www.barbequebob.com CD available at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bbmaglinte
The deeper I get into harmonica, the more I can see switching harmonicas during a song to make sense, depending on what effect the artist is drawn towards.
Early on in OB, the thought was that there was no need to switch as all notes are available on one harmonica. It was kinda a pompous boast by those at the fore front of this new wave. However, most understand now that all notes can not be created equally w/OB, although some are still on a path to minimize these differences as much as performance possible.
"Thank you Iceman. I thought you considered me an advanced beginner. How is your blow bend double stops?"
--As unbelievable as it may seem, harpdude, you are not in my thoughts at all when I post. ---------- The Iceman
Iam playing my thur gig on jan 7 th then im leaving on the 11 for a west coast tour be back in austin around feb 16 ill be around on the 8th and 9th so contact me maybe there will something cool happening i can take you to.
The ice man right im switching harps thats buddy guy playing guitar was recorded in teresa lounge chicago 1970. There is video of that from the chicag blues movie they cut me out of the video because they wanted to show real blues players but they used the harp part. I now do a variation on that type solo and its alot more interesting because also switch harps on the high end. The song ended in first position i play alot better now but i had alot of fire then. If i knew then what no now by the way i see alot of you guys have links and quotes at the bottom of your posts how do you do that? I just the video on you tube but there is noway to share it it title muddy waters hootchie cootchie man and hes singing into a giant mic 19 years old is the second song on the video
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Im gonna be in texas for one then tucson then phoenix at rhytm room jan 16 then palms spring sandiego im playing the cadilac zac three shows on the jan 232425 then i got a harmonica work shop on the 28 at time warp records in LA and the ventura beach club on jan 29 then i go to maui and when i come ive a few gigs pending in sacramento and the bay and i intend to record some tracks for my new record at kid andersens place in san jose check on pollstar for more details thanks for the interest
Re swiching harps play the chickken chack opening lick on a g harp then play the same lick on a c harp you dont change the the tiambre but you play the second with blow notes you do.swiching is like a guitar player playing the same lick up the fret board same string and the sound is consisten that why i kike swiching harps in one instance overblow intonation always seemed a little off and i was the second person to record an overblow in history in 1968
"I was the second person to record an overblow in history in 1968."
Hm. Third, Id say. Toots T beat you to it on the "In the heat of the nigth" soundtrack. The importance of my remark can be discussed, but here are few sticklers for the minutiae of harmonica history so it´s gonna get there sooner or later.
Wow. Respect man - you knew Muddy, Little Walter...all those guys. I loved reading interviews of you in a great book on Muddy that I've somehow misplaced...talking about Otis Spann calling you his 'fucking buddy'. Great stuff, great to see you on here =]
Paul, since the first album I ever jammed along with on harp was Mississippi Mandolin with Johnny Young, with you on harp, I want to ask you: Can you talk a little bit about Johnny Young. What the hell is this stuff at the 38-second point? That's some crazy s--t. He's like the wildest rock guitar player in the world--as though he doesn't know he's just playing a lil' ol' mandolin:
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Wasn't that album called Fat Mandolin on Blue Horizon and was released on CD on "The Complete Blue Horizon Sessions" and there was something about half the tracks were remixed a half-step too slow !!!
Johnny Young shredding!!!
But yeah Johnny Young stories would be great but I suspect these might be held back for Pauls to be released book?
Martin pat missan first told about the toots overblow however i really dont think that is an overblow. It is toots swithching harps listen again toots did not have the diatonic level of technique to get an overblow he is switching harps just blowing hard on the note hes playing its not an overblow. My overbow was recorded in 1968 on after the rain album (preety bad muddy album) on standing around crying the over blow was on the 6 hole blow and it fit the lick -that was the only place i ever used an overblow Al wilson on the "song on the road again "plays the minor third above the sixth blow but he did that by playing 7th hole draw using a pice of scocth tape to weight the reed down The reason why i know this is because in about 1965/66 I was playing in washington square park ny with a guy named harmonica slim (blues guy)i played the lick with the overblow and al asked me.do I also put tape on the reeds so i took the marine band apart and showed him no tape ,then he showed me his with tape on the 7th hole draw reed.
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Johnny young was the real deal a great singer guitarist and agreat mandolin playing he lived about block away from muddy used to drink with me and spann his attack on the mandolin at the 32 second is not that weird to the blues muddy used used pretty way out on his slide solos similar what johnny was doing just playing the way they feel I reall like that track i also like the johhnny young stuff he did with cotton and big walter and his work on the vanguard album chicago the blues today series and johnny and friends is good too with little walter great stuff i miss that guy he was always alot fun to be around i d jam with him on muddys porch and in the summer spann would set up his organ acrross the street in an alley next to liquor store and him johnny young big walter me and others would all get involved it was our own little maxwell street great great times
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'that was the only place i ever used an overblow Al wilson on the "song on the road again "plays the minor third above the sixth blow but he did that by playing 7th hole draw using a pice of scocth tape to weight the reed down'
Nice Story Paul. That little solo drove me mad for a long time, not being able to find 'that' note in the solo! It was only fairly recently I discovered why I couldn't get it. It's good to have it confirmed by a witness :)
You've mentioned tuning your guitar to Eflat to accommodate chromatic harp. On 'What Have I Done',are you also using a flat key harp? So happy you are posting here now!
Thanks for the Johnny Young recollections I love stuff like that! Anymore about all those guys will be greatly appreciated especially anything about watching them playing live like Sonny Boy Williamson or Little Walter. ----------
"Those British boys want to play the blues real bad, and they do"
---------- Paul Oscher "nothin but the blues" on.fb.me/1JMV44y www.pauloscher.com
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Wow i just wrote a long post and all i got after i posted was the above Signature . What did i do wrong?
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If you take more than a few minutes to compose a post then the post is often rejected. I always copy the post when I'm finished and if it screws up I just paste the text back and try again.
Thanks for the tip grey owl that was very frustrating since i wrote that post on my phone Kudsrunner the Legendary Antones blues club is reopening on New years Eve in Austin . ill be playing on Friday nite jan 8 so i hope to see you there Po ---------- Paul Oscher "nothin but the blues" on.fb.me/1JMV44y www.pauloscher.com
"Don't try to outplay your peers just try to out play yourself" po
----------slobberslinger re Eb Chromatic I'm getting old so I'm a little bit more generous now with sharing my tricks. when i was comin up, nobody would show you anything- If you asked a guitar player how did he do a certain lick he'd say"shoot man i don't know i just play like i feel Muddy had a saying "if you got something good keep in your pocket and thats the way musicians did in those days . there weren't any harp forums, books, videos, double cd learning sets, no slow downers, if you wanted to cop a lick off a record you had to put a penny or a nickel on the needle that would slow down the record, if you wanted to learn what a musician was doing you had to keep comin back to his shows till you caught on -you had to watch real close and remember.You couldnt video him on your phone like you can today. If Earl Hooker saw somebody watching him too close he'd play what he called dummy guitar so that the guy would walk away with some lame licks. Hubert used to turn his back. When cotton asKed Little walter "how did he get that warble sound?" Walter said "thats Easy" then proceeded to play it but turned his back on Cotton so Cotton could'nt see if he was shaken his head or shaken the harp. Otis Spann was there and told cotton not to worry about that ill show you how its done. the next day spain sat cotton down next to him on the piano and spain played notes that walter was playing until cotton got it. Spann was an exception and he was always willing to show you something ,Spann could also play the harp too,like Sonny boy 1. Now that said ill answer your question I play a C64 Chromatic and i push the button in, then tighten the screw to keep it in that position. this allows me to play in Eb , I could play the same in D but Dis too low to tune the guitar Strings they get flappy and thats it in a nutshell simple right. I have a lot of stories but I'm saving for my book which should come out in 2016 Thanks for reading my post
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@Paul: It´s no big deal but I know for a fact that Toots could overblow. (He´s generally not that impressive on the diatonic, so maybe it´s a bit strange that he discoveed this somewhat "advanced" technique.) If Winslow Y reads this I suppose he could supply more examples of Toots -- although Pat Missin´s convinces me --, right now I just re-watched a documentary from Swedish television, where Toots plays with Danish jazz violinist Svend Assmusen, and at around 15 min, while sitting around jamming, you can hear him wailing out quite a few OB´s on hole 6 on a D harp. (They don´t sound pretty ...) No debate there -- but, first, I believe the link won´t work outside of Sweden, and second, this is from 1971 or -72 or thereabouts. So if you remain unconvinced by Pat Missin´s soundfile you can still (rightly!) claim that this was surely a few years later than 1968. But I rest my case here.
The link: http://www.oppetarkiv.se/video/1124019/toots-och-svend
martin i think you are right i just listened to that again mama calebas blues from heat of the night he is hitting a 6hole overblow on either d harp or eb i don't have pitch in the early measures of the track ---------- Paul Oscher "Nothin but the Blues" official website: www.pauloscher.com official fb band page: on.fb.me/1JMV44y
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Yeeeeah, I play "dummy harp " alot. Truly, great stuff on the She's 19 Muddy song. WOW! Ain't the harp devine!? And that was SOOOOOO BLACK! Thanks for the headsup on Maui. I have family there. No connections in the music dept. Good suggestion. If you know Mick Fleetwood...he own's a pretty busy blues bar in Lahaina. Lahaina is fun. Good start. I'll message you on FB with more info. ALOOOO HA!
---------- Yes, there are blues in Hawaii.
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Now that said ill answer your question I play a C64 Chromatic and i push the button in, then tighten the screw to keep it in that position. this allows me to play in Eb
ok... we ahd a discussion on this awhile back. do you consider this as playing in third position? ---------- if i type in the correct captcha why is my post lost in cyber-space
