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Blue Moon Plunz Sp20 vs Blue Moon Sp20 complete ha
Blue Moon Plunz Sp20 vs Blue Moon Sp20 complete ha
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New but determined
20 posts
Dec 04, 2015
1:16 PM
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What is the difference between these two versions of the Blue Moon Sp20's? I've bought 8 harmonicas and here's what I like of what I've got that I'll call favorites, I'm wishing I could find one model to stick with.
C- Crossover
A- Manji
G- Sp20
I like each for different reasons.
The Crossover because I can bend it the best, it sounds pretty good to my damages hearing but it's physically a little small front to back but I think I'm kind of getting used to it.
The Manji in A because it really feels good to hold, I feel good when I use it, I like the sound best of the three but it's the hardest to be accurate with single notes and as a beginner, I'm mousy bending 1,2,3 holes. It's the most difficult to play accurately for me, but my lips consistently stick to the covers.
Sp20. This I kinda love but the sound although warm is kind of dull, I am most comfortable playing this, I don't have quite the preciseness with this but I'll have to say although after having taken it apart several times for cleaning and adjusting, my gut reaction is it's a cheaply made tool that sometimes for some people can be really good and fail for others but there's tons of professionals who always reccomend it to beginners, there's many who perform with custom versions of this, apparently the Rocket was designed to address many of the complaints and things people modified on the Sp20 but I keep this one but have another in a different key that I'm unwilling to throw away because I bought it new recently, but I flat out don't want to try to play it anymore. But the one I have in the key of G that I bought 7-8 years ago and never played til recently, I'll have to say it's probably my favorite to play.
The tendency seems to be that experienced players play one model in many different keys ( makes total sense) but as a new beginner, I'm just trying to find something I can settle down with and use for quite awhile and I can't be going buying a full blown custom because I don't even know enough to know what I need.
I posted this on the general forum become a lot of experienced players with talent read here. I'm so unimpressed by all the complaints I hear regarding Hohner that it took an awful lot of research for me to feel confident enough to buy a Crossover and right now I'm thinkin of getting a second one in another key. It is a bit hard on my mouth but that may be because I'm playing too much, too wet and pushing too hard against my lips. Those things will take time to work out.
Life experience has taught me there's a good choice for everyone but the same choice probably won't work for everyone. Wise words from an occasionally wise old woman) Ha!
Nope, I'm not going to become a professional musician, nope I'm not into buying the "cool one that everyone says is the best" - there is no "best" in this crowd. I just want to feel really confident and comfortable playing and learning with my harmonica snd maybe I am pushing a little too hard (moderation in all things is a waste of time if you really want it- I've accomplished a lot of things in my many years and nothing I have ever really wanted came from approaching it with moderation in mind. That has lots of variables depending on the person.
Okay, advice??? based on experience not just opinions which I already have a lot of based upon being educated via Google and the good and bad I've learned as a result of making decisions based on what I've read and the videos I've watched. So- I guess in asking for advice based on more of the same LOL, because I'll read with intent, every comment in reaction to this post.
Update: I was away from the Crossover for 24 hours and my mouth is healing nicely. I tried it again with less pressure and I do really like that harmonica, just need to learn to use it differently.
Last Edited by New but determined on Dec 04, 2015 3:52 PM
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harmonicanick
2317 posts
Dec 04, 2015
2:56 PM
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Gut reaction.. you have written a short novel about your playing??
Stop thinking about it (maybe be quiet) and find that whatever harmonica you play does not really matter!!!
As Lee Sankey said after 5 years you may be ok, 10 years you may be getting somewhere, but 40 years you should be on a plateau (still learning) but maybe getting there, good luck New but Determined
In short, have a practice schedule, maybe half an hour a day, scales, and just enjoy playing rythym chords etc
Good luck and remember you do not need to be determined if you are enjoying yourself all the best Nick
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nacoran
8798 posts
Dec 04, 2015
4:26 PM
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For a harp that costs as much as a Crossover does I'm a little disappointed that they didn't do a better job rounding the corners off and sanding things down a bit. You can do a little of that yourself, and they play and sound good, but at that price range you can get a Seydel that will be a lot smoother to hold.
Avoid salty foods. If I eat salted popcorn I can't play for a couple hours at least. :)
As for the Special 20s, have you tried one with an open back? If you don't care how it looks you can open them up with pliers in about a minute, a little longer if you want it to look good. The regular Marine Band has an open back and side vents. Adding side vents is a bit more of a project. My harp set has more Lee Oskars and Special 20s in it than anything else. Seydels are great but pricey. I've got a Suzuki Manji, but it was set up so I can't compare it to a stock one.
I think it's good to try different harps. If the Crossover is tough on your lips avoid the Hohner Blues Harps!
A few tricks you might want to try while playing to avoid ripped lips- first, don't tense up. Second, you don't have to slide the harp across your lips to move it. If you keep your lips loose you can slide the harp and your lips will sort of smoosh side to side without actually sliding but the hole you are blowing through will move. (Not everyone agrees with me on this one, but it works for me.) Also, make sure you are getting the harp deep enough in your mouth. If you feel your lip with your tongue or finger you'll notice a spot where it stops being lip tissue and starts being mouth tissue (not the technical terms!). If you get the harp in off of the 'lip' and into the mouth the friction issues should diminish greatly.
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New but determined
21 posts
Dec 04, 2015
7:04 PM
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Whoooo, good information, thank you. Sorry about the long posts, I'm lazing in my easy chair texting this stuff with my thumbs, I try to avoid errors but sometimes don't notice them.
Last Edited by New but determined on Dec 04, 2015 7:08 PM
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florida-trader
833 posts
Dec 04, 2015
7:21 PM
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New But Determined - Perhaps you don’t realize it but the owner of Blue Moon Harmonicas is a member of this forum. It is I.
The simple answer to your question is that the Plunz Special 20 has thicker reed plates which makes them louder and more responsive.
It appears that you are searching for the Holy Grail of Harmonicas. Welcome to the quest. We have all been there. For some, it is a never ending journey. There is nothing wrong with your approach but I will mention that you are comparing a Crossover in C to a Manji in A to a Special 20 in G. That could create some confusion. Generally speaking, it is easier to bend the 1-4 draws on a C harp than on an A harp or G harp. So your ability to bend it better than the other harps may have more to do with the key than the model. The Crossover is regarded by many as the best out of the box harmonica on the market so there’s no doubt that it is a quality instrument and that contributes to your ability to bend the notes. But the Manji is also a very high quality harp as is the Special 20. You will find that all three have very devoted followers. You have chosen three good harps but to get a true comparison you should test all three harps in the same key.
Your gut reaction about the Special 20 being cheaply made is not entirely true. The comb is cheaply made but that can be said about lots of stock harps. That’s why there is a demand for custom combs. Custom combs, regardless of who makes them, can often make a very positive difference in the way a harp plays. The primary reason is because they are flatter than stock combs and help you build a more airtight harp. Custom comb makers also tend to incorporate other niceties in their combs such as being waterproof and smoothing out any sharp edges which might irritate your lips, tongue or hands.
You’re looking for advice. Your name kinda says it all. You are New But Determined. One bit of advice I would offer is to pay more attention to what you read on this forum than what you find on many of the other sites. The average harmonica IQ is much higher here than on most of the other sites. I see a lot of misinformation on Facebook, etc. If you are like most, you are not operating with an unlimited harmonica budget – meaning you’re probably not going to go out and buy a complete set of every harmonica you want to try. At this stage of the game, it’s not going to make a big difference if your collection of harmonicas is a mixture of brands and models. While you’re at it, try a Seydel 1847 or Session Steel. Seriously – other than you, who is going to know the difference? As time passes and your skills improve, you will find yourself leaning in a certain direction. More than likely, since it is evident that you do your homework and are not afraid to dissect a harp, you will learn how to set them up to play better. There are a lot of moving parts here. You don’t need to decide which kind of harp is best for you now. Your tastes might very well change. For 35 years, I played nothing but Golden Melodys. Then about 7 years ago, I did exactly what you are doing now. I bought one or two of every harp that was discussed on harp-l. I tried them all. I fell in love with the Suzuki ProMaster. I played those for about 2 years. That was before the Manji came out. Before the Crossover came out. Now I play a mixture of Special 20’s, Manji’s, Crossovers, Marine Band Deluxes, Marine Bands, pre-war Marine Bands, one or two Session Steels, one 1847 and maybe one ProMaster. There isn’t a Golden Melody in my case. I’m not a professional musician so I don’t worry about it too much. I say – keep on keepin’ on and let the chips fall where they may. The important thing is to keep playing. You’ll figure it out.
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Tom Halchak
www.BlueMoonHarmonicas.com
Last Edited by florida-trader on Dec 05, 2015 8:31 AM
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Garlic Breath
30 posts
Dec 04, 2015
8:56 PM
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I was quite relieved to see that Tom played Golden Melodies for 35 years, as that's where I'm at right now. I have 10 of them. Each time I discover a new song that inspires me, it results in an itunes purchase and a new harp in a different key. I too lament the cheapness of the combs, but I love the rounded shape (small hands), and they do have a decent sound. I started out like most people with a marine band, but soon realized that the combs swell and make them a pain to play. The one undeniable virtue they have is their sound. Its gotten to where I can pretty much spot it when I hear someone play, and it would be great if it could be duplicated without the swelling issue. During my band days in the 80's I played Special 20's and would soak them in warm water before going on, to loosen them up. A passing fad among rock harpists, and not a good idea for harp longevity. I ended up trying the Golden Melodies, and fell in love with the shape. After looking at the "For Sale 2015" thread I've been lusting like a teenage boy at the Playboy mansion after Tom's custom harps with the milled aluminum combs. The idea of a bras comb version has really stoked my imagination. Like a kid in a candy store, the hardest part is deciding which one to try. The idea of learning to service and tune my harps and having all but reeds outlive me is drawing me in that direction. Check out his website, and I guarantee you'll end up bookmarking it and occasionally staring longingly at some of his beautiful creations. I wonder if Tom has ever thought about doing a custom milled Golden Melody, which would correct some of its deficiencies and give more responsiveness and control like the custom reed plate special 20's.
Last Edited by Garlic Breath on Dec 04, 2015 9:03 PM
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didjcripey
1001 posts
Dec 04, 2015
10:59 PM
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Advice? Steer clear of the 10 buck harps and spend between 50 and 80 bucks on a decent harp. Until your technique matures, you'll be able to notice a difference between keys but probably not much between different brands in the same key. A good player can make even a 10 buck harp sound good; just has to work it a little harder.
Don't get too hung up on gear; technique is key.
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Lucky Lester
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A440
487 posts
Dec 05, 2015
3:04 AM
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New But Determined - you have three nice instruments there. Play them all, develop your skills, enjoy them. These harps will not limit you. There's nothing wrong with carrying a mixed bag of different models.
As you evolve your playing, you will naturally settle into your favourite models, and you might migrate to different models/brands over the years. Its a personal choice.
Some players are happy with one model - there are a lot of people like Adam Gussow (and my father) who just stick with Marine Bands.
Last Edited by A440 on Dec 05, 2015 3:55 AM
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New but determined
22 posts
Dec 05, 2015
6:03 AM
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Amazing feedback, what a great group of postings to wake up to this morning, thank you.
Tom, reading at your website I can't tell, but do your powdered coated covers for the SP20's have the backs opened up?
Tom- huge tip you gave about lip tissue and getting it deeper into my mouth. I had been forcing it to get it deeper into my mouth and consequently the sore mouth but by changing how I place my lower lip- it's made a huge difference all ready- like getting new and improved harmonicas using the ones already there. Suddenly the Manji totally rocks, and the Crossover is way more comfortable in my mouth!
Last Edited by New but determined on Dec 05, 2015 6:27 AM
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dougharps
1064 posts
Dec 05, 2015
7:11 AM
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A lot of good information is offered above. Harps from SP20 on up in price (>$35) can all be good instruments. Differences in how each key responds are larger than brand differences. The only way to really compare harps is to use the same key, and even then the gapping setup of that individual harp may be more important than the brand. Air tightness matters, too.
SP20 and other harps may have some sharp corners, but this is easily smoothed. Customization by a pro, or using custom combs can address this at extra expense. You can learn to work on your own harps and save money.
Most players take a while to improve breath control and cause reeds to go flat by playing too hard, so you may go through some reeds in your early efforts. Reeds can be retuned or replaced by a pro or you can learn. Unless you are financially well off you may want to work on building your skills on harps in the $30 to $40 price range for a while. Adjusting gaps and smoothing corners will be helpful skills to build.
After decades of playing I still carry a mixed bag of harps. I find that which brand I use and which harp I choose depends on the band, the song, and my feelings at the time. The way a harp is gapped may affect which harp I choose at a given time.
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Doug S.
Last Edited by dougharps on Dec 05, 2015 7:12 AM
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florida-trader
834 posts
Dec 05, 2015
8:38 AM
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New But Determined - the majority of my powder coated SP20 covers have open backs.
Garlic Breath - I do indeed make CNC Milled combs for the Golden Melody. It is, in fact, how I got started in the business over 5 years ago.
http://www.bluemoonharmonicas.com/combs_models/1
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Tom Halchak
www.BlueMoonHarmonicas.com
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Ian
156 posts
Dec 05, 2015
12:47 PM
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Be prepared to like one harp more one day, then another the next. Its not really to do with the quality of the harp, more just how you feel on the day.
I cycle between manjis, sp20 and bluesmasters.
The majority of the time I play the manji as I love the brassy, gritty, open tone.
When I'm on the move I play stock sp20s as they are less expensive and seem pretty tough (although one day I'll get one of toms combs).
I play the bluesmaster when I'm not getting on with either of the other two!
I'm no better or worse with any of them, sometimes one harp just feel right whilst another doesn't and I couldn't tell you why.
Id definitely 2nd the holding the manji deep in your mouth for better tone and control. Out of all the harps I can play inbetween notes fastest on the manji, probably due to hole spacing or something but it can be harder to be accurate compared to the sp20s.
Ok, well I think I've managed to ramble on about nothing for a while now...... Your welcome ;)
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ME.HarpDoc
52 posts
Dec 05, 2015
3:42 PM
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Garlic Breath
If you like the shape and comfort of GMs but want a different tone, you might try a Suzuki Bluesmaster or Seydel Blues session or Session Steel. They are the most comfortable in my mouth.
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New but determined
23 posts
Dec 05, 2015
4:26 PM
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I'm noticing the like one harp one day thing and a different one the next as mentioned. Life experience tells me to settle on the one in each key that I'm most comfortable with, the one that gives me the most confidence. I have 3 in the Key of C, the Crossover feels the best and I'm getting more used to holding it. The shape of the face where it goes in my mouth is nearly identical between the Crossover and the Manji's. The lip tissue thing mentioned has completely improved my experience with the Manji's and my A Manji is for my ear the most beautiful sounding harp I own- a keeper as daddy used to say. I'm having nearly the same feeling with the Sp20-G only it's a way different sound than the Manji-A.
The Sp20-C that I was so disgusted with yesterday and thought had air leaking is just fine today- go figure, but I like the Crossover better but at this point not in love with the sound, maybe my playing will change that but I love maybe a bit warmer sound, can't explain it. But for now I'm Mose comfortable with the Crossover when it comes to the key of C. I have a feeling I'll keep hunting for a Holy Grail C harp. I like what I've read about the Seydel Silver or one with a plastic comb and either stainless or brass reeds but some of what I like is the idea that it might be a little bit bigger,
Last Edited by New but determined on Dec 05, 2015 5:01 PM
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hvyj
2853 posts
Dec 05, 2015
4:46 PM
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@NBD: Try a Suzuki Hammond which is my favorite OOB harmonica. Very comfortable to play, smooth dark tone, ET tuning, very even response through all 3 registers. Nice combs and extremely durable plates. Occasionally they come through gapped a little too tight, so you sometimes may have to adjust (open) the gaps slightly. Very nice instruments, IMHO. Definitely have a warmer tone and timbre than a XO.
Last Edited by hvyj on Dec 05, 2015 4:49 PM
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SuperBee
3036 posts
Dec 05, 2015
5:59 PM
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Oh well...after a long study of this topic I've realised this is the truth:
There is only one diatonic harmonica worth playing. It comes in several different guises. It's made in Germany and has brass reeds. Sometimes the reed plates are nailed to a wooden comb, sometimes they are held on with screws. Sometimes the comb is made of wood, sometimes bamboo, sometimes it's plastic. Some of the reed plates have cutout shapes, some are regular rectangles. The covers may be closed or vented. They are all the same harmonica, just in different costumes. No other harmonica I have played is worth my spit.
But that's just me. I still play other types anyway
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New but determined
24 posts
Dec 06, 2015
8:14 AM
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Interesting comments.
Re: Suzuki Hammond, gwhat actually makes it different from the Promaster other than appearance? Other than Brian Powers demo for Suzuki, I can't tell and the information out there seem to be mostly Amazon reviews which appear to be written by beginners like me- and some others but I can't really get an idea what will make it warmer than the Promasters.
One of the most difficult things to deal with are high notes that sound shrill (to me) holes 6 and 7 - I'm not worrying much about the ones above that, they are what they are and I have to accept that but clarity and tone can make 6 and 7 sweet so a lot of it depends on how well I can learn to play with my body, I know this and practice and study this, as well as working on my breathing. I have damaged hearing and have to play without my hearing aides because of feedback.
I'm getting the feeling that the Crossover is improving or breaking in more because I playboy mostly or maybe I'm training my hearing but it's encouraging.
This is not impossible.
But trying to access this site and post is really frustrating with my iPhone which is my internet connection.
Last Edited by New but determined on Dec 06, 2015 8:41 AM
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florida-trader
837 posts
Dec 06, 2015
8:38 AM
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Regarding the difference between the ProMaster and the Hammond - the Hammond has powder coated covers. I have had numerous exchanges with hvyj and I can state with confidence that he likes the Hammond because he feels the covers have a positive effect on the tone.
Moving on - I'm not sure if the shrill sound of the 6 and 7 is due to your damaged hearing or how your harps are set up. And you should certainly not deprive yourself of having the full range of notes available that are found on holes 8 - 10. You have made it clear that you are not afraid to tinker with your reed plates. Learning how to make those short thin reeds play sweetly is another skill set that you will develop as you go. There is an element of technique and reedsmithing that will work together to improve that situation.
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Tom Halchak
www.BlueMoonHarmonicas.com
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1847
2948 posts
Dec 06, 2015
8:57 AM
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But trying to access this site and post is really frustrating with my iPhone which is my internet connection.
no one else seems to have any issues :)
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hvyj
2856 posts
Dec 06, 2015
9:32 AM
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Re: Hammonds: It's not just the covers. THE COMB is superior. Promaster combs are not consistently flat. Almost all OOB harps are a PITA because their combs are of inconsistent flatness. I replace stock combs on ALL my OOB harps EXCEPT Suzuki Hammonds, Firebreaths and Fabulous.
I am not particularly a fan of Hohners, but I must acknowledge that if you put a flat comb on their Thunderbirds those are very impressive tenor instruments. XOs, MBDs and GMs can be ok with aftermarket combs. MBs IMHO are pieces of crap OOB. Manjis and Olives have shitty combs. The plates are excellent, BUT you need to excercise a lot of effort to set up the reeds before they will play up to capability. Suzukis in general have more focused tone than Hohners and are MUCH more durable.
Last Edited by hvyj on Dec 06, 2015 9:35 AM
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Goldbrick
1208 posts
Dec 06, 2015
9:48 AM
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+1 Hammonds
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New but determined
25 posts
Dec 06, 2015
9:54 AM
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So Tom, does that mean if I installed some of your powder coated Marine Band covers on my Crossover, they would bolt right on and I might chance getting a warming effect.
Last Edited by New but determined on Dec 06, 2015 10:30 AM
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hvyj
2857 posts
Dec 06, 2015
10:28 AM
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My personal experience is that painted covers in general tend to darken tone and Tom's powder coated covers definitely do. BUT XOs have VENTED covers which produce a raspier, less focused tone/timbre than you ordinarily get with UNvented covers. So if you want warm, vented covers are not the optimum configuration for that.
Oh, I have a pure harp in C. Comb is fine, but I don't particularly like the harp. The sound does not have much punch and is somewhat dull. Also the wood covers don't slide smoothly along your lips. Firebreaths give you warmth and punch and are more comfortable to play. They have the same high quality rosewood combs and plates as the pure harp and IMHO are excellent instruments.
Last Edited by hvyj on Dec 06, 2015 10:37 AM
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hvyj
2858 posts
Dec 06, 2015
10:37 AM
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My personal experience is that painted covers in general tend to darken tone and Tom's powder coated covers definitely do. BUT XOs have VENTED covers which produce a raspier, less focused tone/timbre than you ordinarily get with UNvented covers. So if you want warm, vented covers are not the optimum configuration for that. XO's tend to be nicely responsive, but are tuned somewhat bright which also doesn't help if you are after warmth.
Oh, I have a pure harp in C. Comb is fine, but I don't particularly like the harp. The sound does not have much punch and is somewhat dull. Also the wood covers don't slide smoothly along your lips. Firebreaths give you warmth and punch and are more comfortable to play. They have the same high quality rosewood combs and plates as the pure harp (as well as painted covers) and IMHO are excellent instruments.
Last Edited by hvyj on Dec 06, 2015 10:57 AM
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nacoran
8803 posts
Dec 06, 2015
12:11 PM
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1847, what issue are you having in particular?
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1847
2950 posts
Dec 06, 2015
12:33 PM
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the same issues EVERYONE here experiences.
you take time to craft a post only to have it disappear time after time after time after time after time.
then you take even longer to post a picture only to have it disappear.
it takes a great dEAL of dificulty to post a link.
it is so hard that clearly half the members here do not even attempt to. heck even adam rarely will post a link,
then it disappears.
we have a spam prevention code, what is the point of that?
if i enter the correct code, that should ensure that my post is not spam. so why not just get rid of that it is useless.
i am a member of the gear page, none of this ever happens there.. it is so simple and foolproof, a five year old could post a picture or a link, and it never never ever never disappears EVER!
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SuperBee
3040 posts
Dec 06, 2015
1:59 PM
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Yep, but it get lots of hits apparently so we consider the shortcomings as part of the charm
Regarding harps...blah blah blah it's endless back and forward. This is good, this isn't any good
Most people have tried one or two of many types, and maybe 2 dozen of their favoured types. Sometimes a player favours one type and has a half dozen or so and later gets onto something else. This is how most players arrive at opinions. That is, based on small samples.
A guy like Andrew Zajac works on several types. I would give his thoughts on those types more weight.
Jon Harl and Greg Jones work on lots of Seydel harps. They would be very familiar with the shortcomings of those models and efficient at addressing them.
I believe that most of the customisers work with the hohner handmades as the basis for their products.
Neil Graham's top model is based on a hohner MS harp. But he makes his own combs for it. And the reed work is 'extensive'
My sample is probably larger than 'most' but still tiny compared to many. I have been intimate with a couple hundred hohners (I have 50 personal harps), and about 3 dozen Seydel. My Suzuki sample is smaller and full of defects. Apart from a single Manji, all the Suzuki harps I've purchased have been disappointing. But that's a small sample...including 5 gold promasters which are expensive harps. Mine are terrible but I must acknowledge a bargain price and NOS. I am very unimpressed with the sample though, 5 out of 5 awful harps.
Anyway, my opinion on Suzuki harps is poor but is based on a handful of personal experiences. As such, I don't think it's worth much.
My thoughts on Seydel harps may be more informed. It puzzled me why people rate them so highly. For a time I suspected it was my reluctance to pay top dollar which led to my less satisfying experience. I shelled out for an 1847 and found it was indeed a better playing harp than the others I'd tried. But it did have a very sharp edge, the worst finish I'd ever seen in a harp.
Since I started repairing them, I've found my initial experience is not inconsistent with the harps people send me. Seydel harps remind me of some automotive products I saw from East Germany in the 80s. They are essentially robust, but a bit rough.
In the case of Seydel steel harps it seems to me they are based on steel reeds which are inherently robust. This allows them to use a slightly thicker reed plate which delivers a little more volume and compensates for a suboptimal degree of attention to setup and finish. I think this is especially true of the session steel. I have worked on about 20 complete harps for customers as well as 17 individual 1847 reed plates, plus I have a collection of 60 sets of partial reed plates (most missing one reed) which I have been working with. I'm yet to find a session steel which I would want to own. Although I think this is very much down to the comb. A session reed plate on a solid comb I think could be turned into a decent harp.
Anyway...the point of this possibly pompous-sounding post is that well-know chestnut about opinions has very wide application. I have seen more harps than most, far fewer than many, and all I really know is what I like. And that what someone else likes is their business
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hvyj
2861 posts
Dec 06, 2015
3:11 PM
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To some extent what type of sound a player is seeking to create has a lot to do with what harps he or she finds appealing. If one is after that old time blues thing, Hohners are what those ODBGs used. Vented covers produce a distinctive timbre that I don't like but which many other players find very appealing. If one is into the choo-choo train thing, ET harps will have no appeal, but for one who regularly plays multiple positions, nothing but ET will do. Adam plays MBs and has no use for GMs. I sorta like GMs but my only possible use for MBs would be as a paper weight.,..and so on and so forth.
@NBD: I suspect why you find yourself liking or not liking particular harps on different days is because your technique and embouchure are probably not yet consistent and may vary from day to day. FWIW.
Last Edited by hvyj on Dec 06, 2015 3:56 PM
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New but determined
27 posts
Dec 06, 2015
3:29 PM
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I was wondering about that.
Re: posting here- this is one of the most helpful forums I've been in in the years I've been on the Internet. But the code I have to type is so awful that I know it won't work my first try (it's only worked once) and yesterday I started punching a random set of letters for the first try and accepted that it would be rejected. The second try usually works, that try just before this one I couldn't even tell what one of the figures was on my iPhone so I jumped to the next try. If this goes through, it will be my third pass at the code. :-(
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hvyj
2862 posts
Dec 06, 2015
3:54 PM
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I lost 3 posts today. Didn't have time to rewrite them. It's a lot nicer around here now that the free expression of independent ideas is no longer persecuted. However, as a logistical matter this is most assuredly NOT a user friendly forum.
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Barley Nectar
970 posts
Dec 06, 2015
4:40 PM
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I must be weird. When I stick a harp in my mouth I may feel that it somehow feels different to the lips or hands because it is not my usual brand. Once I start to play, all that goes away. I adjust to any difference and go. To me, they are all about the same...BN
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2954 posts
Dec 06, 2015
5:08 PM
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barley i am the same way.
i like the session steel because it feels smaller
than the 1847.
but when i am playing i close my eyes and
not even thinking about it i just play. all that kind of stuff just goes out the window.
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