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Anyone find session steel hard to tune?
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SuperBee
2937 posts
Nov 05, 2015
2:45 AM
I've done a few Seydel session harps now and every time I've struggled with the high end. I dunno if it's just condensation maybe but I can't seem to get them to play consistently from hole 8 up...drives me mad. Im getting a complex about them...
R2D2
28 posts
Nov 05, 2015
7:24 AM
FWIW I find they are very sensitive to temperature and need to be warmed up. I have trouble when cold out of the case.
harmonicanick
2313 posts
Nov 06, 2015
11:02 AM
I dont like 'em and will not buy another
mlefree
457 posts
Nov 07, 2015
6:10 AM
I have one and it gathers dust. It is my last. I not only find them difficult to work on but also difficult to play. It's not Seydel, it's the steel reeds. I have brass Seydels that are great.

Michelle

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Gnarly
1525 posts
Nov 07, 2015
10:12 AM
I have one I tuned to Major Cross, and then had AntakaMatics install a TurboSlide. No problems with the top end.
I don't prefer steel reeds but the bending feature using magnets is pretty cool!
1847
2873 posts
Nov 07, 2015
5:42 PM
Supe… do you have a strobe tuner?

Check out turbo tuner 122 a

Very accurate. They will be releasing a new model in 6 months… worth the wait.

Seydel harmonica’s are very close to just intonation, with the exception of 5 and 9 draw… the base tuning is supposed to “bee” 443 but they are german, it is usually a bit higher.

It is cold in that part of town and the
Prima Dona’s, tuning that sucker, get to sit right next to the heater.

That’s my story and I am sticking to it.

The session steel with 1847 cover plates is by far my favorite harmonica.
SuperBee
2955 posts
Nov 07, 2015
6:06 PM
i been putting it off, but i better do the other one
SuperBee
2956 posts
Nov 07, 2015
6:08 PM
i did one the other night, and it was making me crazy, but i think i got it eventually...now i got thai music polluting my favourite tuning space...i'll go do some gardening instead...
arzajac
1703 posts
Nov 08, 2015
8:47 AM
I don't find stainless harder to tune. Every brand is different. It takes more work to get material off stainless but I try to titrate to effect and sneak up on the pitch without overshooting every time I tune, no matter what harp.

About strobe tuning: Lots of tuners call themselves strobe tuners. Some of them refer to the way they display the pitch but are chromatic tuners in the way they work. An analog strobe tuner is a different piece of equipment and is used in a different way.

On an analog strobe tuner, you set the tonic and play the other intervals - fifths, thirds, flat seventh (five draw) and you can see whether the harmonic is flat or sharp. You can't do this on anything but an analog tuner.

The exception is if you use your ears. Here I use my ears to do the same thing.



The point is to play the interval and eliminate beating. You don't see the harmonic so it takes a little more effort, but it's certainly possible to achieve the same results using a regular guitar tuner and your ears.

Analog strobes are not immune to the things that haunt harmonicas which makes the pitch unstable. Things like breath dynamics and condensation. You need to deal with those no matter what equipment you are using.

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Last Edited by arzajac on Nov 08, 2015 8:47 AM
1847
2882 posts
Nov 08, 2015
10:22 AM
if you enter a spam prevention code your post
should not be rejected as spam! what is the point of having a prevention code, if it is going to rejcet your post

even if you enter the correct code pretty lame and frustrating
nacoran
8772 posts
Nov 08, 2015
11:45 AM
1847, lol. I feel for ya. If there was a way to disable it I would. I agree it's mostly redundant with Captchas, although occasionally we used to get a game human who would solve a few to post spam. Usually they'd get 10 or 15 posts and give up (compared to some spammers who would post a couple hundred spams before we could catch them before the captchas). Personally, I'd like the captchas to turn off once you have 50 posts that aren't marked as spam, but that's not in the software either.

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SuperBee
2961 posts
Nov 08, 2015
12:56 PM
Bobby...you know...that is kinda funny how you became so frustrated trying to post on my thread about my frustration.
Pretty much a demo of how I was feeling with each successive dismantling of that orange-combed harp the other day.
frustrating alright...I just Tapp enter a couple times if my post is only a couple lines long, and usually it comes up ok...but if not, I know it will be there within 24 hours...so I just watch my Dalek relaxation video and exterminate the stress...
It's hard to put the harp down when it seem so close to 'right'
Anyways...I expect it's just me with the sessions...or the comb...or actually is condensation. But it's always sessions that give me this grief it seems. Not restricted to steel either. Maybe it's the hole spacing and my ability to play a clean split, although I would've expected that to apply all along the comb, not just at the top.
Probably a combo of all those factors.
It's stability and consistency of the note which frustrates me, rather than the limitations of my equipment and senses
1847
2883 posts
Nov 08, 2015
1:00 PM
SUPE.. don't you have one of those fancy masterharp
tuning devices?
SuperBee
2963 posts
Nov 08, 2015
1:19 PM
no magic bullet
SuperBee
2964 posts
Nov 08, 2015
1:26 PM
Especially the top end...and mine is for 7.5mm spacing...I have adapters for 8mm but...especially the top end...it just ain't the same as the comb and covers...and consistent differences are not consistent...flat plates help...but I'm not putting in the work to perfectly straighten the plates on every harp I get to tune for 20 bucks just so I can use the tuning table...and the top end still is a problem

Anyway...I'm checking out until next weekend...ciao


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