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Danny Starwars
248 posts
Jun 20, 2015
6:29 PM
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nacoran
8540 posts
Jun 20, 2015
6:30 PM
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Frank, fair enough. I think men's locker room was used because this forum membership is overwhelmingly male. There is a difference, too, I think between single sex and mixed company.
But lets let it drop for now, please.
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Nate
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HarmonicaMick
346 posts
Jun 20, 2015
7:31 PM
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@ Nacoran:
Just took a quick peek after getting up for a pee - it's 02:59. On a first reading, you're singing from the same restrictive PC hymsheet you've been reading from all along. And, you're dictating what may and may not be said by invoking the same thing I've argued against - not completely without some success - in previous threads. And you're way over the top.
Your arguments - at least at a cursory glance - are circumstantial, and have little relevance to everyday existence, or, at the very least, to situations that apply to my objections, Just like much liberal thought, your arguments are little more than jingoistic devices, like the 'man in the cinema shouting fire' and that kind of crap.
I will try to reply more fully tomorrow - or not, is there any point?
I rejoined the forum after a four-year gap when OCD made playing harp fairly tricky. No sympathy requested or required. All I've done on harp and any progress I've made has been without the help of the forum. In fact, under my former usernames of mickil and SlimHarpMick (pretentious, that last one: delete them both) I've given a lot of advice and added a lot to this forum before most folks currently posting were posting. You may remember that I organised the second harp competition we had.
In any case, none of that matters. The kind of crap I've seen over the last few days, which has mostly, if not all, been about some people getting their proverbials in a twist over what someone says - grow some, for f***'s sake - is making me think twice whether I want to re-join this forum.
It was much more fun when the late Buddha got everyone's blood pressure rising than the sanitised place it now is.
As for locker room talk, bring it on, and let the girls bring in theirs too; they can do that with the best of us. Why the FUC* do you think they don't? Who made you the judge of all humanity? That's the problem with you PC types: always imposing your own view of the world as if it were the only one; it ain't.
I always find it ironic that it was left-leaning liberals who dismantled society in the Sixties with their selfish, hedonistic, free love abandonment of everything that was decent - ever wondered why unmarried mothers became single mothers? - while their ancestors are busy trying to replace that total f*ckup with something that's even more crappy.
Ban me or don't. Whatever. What difference does it make? You PC types appear to control what everyone says everywhere else. Why not here as well?
Screw Charlie and Voltaire - no answer to that one yet, eh?
Last Edited by HarmonicaMick on Jun 20, 2015 7:55 PM
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REM
287 posts
Jun 20, 2015
7:55 PM
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I feel like this forum is turning into Bizzaro World. Is it seriously necessary to explain why Schaef's post was sexist?
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HarmonicaMick
347 posts
Jun 20, 2015
7:57 PM
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No, of course it isn't, nor was it.
Last Edited by HarmonicaMick on Jun 20, 2015 7:58 PM
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nacoran
8541 posts
Jun 20, 2015
8:10 PM
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Mick, you missed the point completely, on every level. I guess analogy is lost on you. Here is the point-
This forum has rules, and one of those is you treat other members with respect, whether they are blue, green, black, white, straight, gay, transgender, liberal, conservative, male, female, or a pineapple. You do that and you can stay. You don't have to like other people, but you have to treat them with respect if you want to stick around.
I've shown you respect, while disagreeing with your ideas... but, and here is the second point...
This is a harmonica forum. We allow occasional off topic threads but we watch them closely. You may miss the bad old days, but most of us don't. When we closed the other threads you came over to this thread and showed the people who said they didn't like the arguing no respect by starting an argument here.
I like a good debate- that's when both sides are raising points and listening to each other. I often go to sites that discuss politics and have debates. An argument, however, is two people talking past each other. This is not a place for arguments, and as for debates, it's limited- the original discussion was about race and the blues. You derailed that with a discussion about PC culture- tangential, but related, at which point you started inserting passive aggressive remarks in and started arguing.
So here it is. I'm going to leave this thread as a test of your abilities to walk away from things. That's an important skill in life. Man, I would have walked away from this posts and posts ago if it wasn't my job. Walk away from this thread and enjoy the rest of the harmonica stuff this site has to offer, or keep going, and I'll reluctantly ban you, not to curtail your broader free speech rights but because you are picking fights and bad for business. I prefer to be the bar bouncer who gets everyone to calm down and drink their beer rather than throwing people out on their ear, but by coming over to this thread and starting the same argument you are showing me you are a problem patron.
It's all good if you want to hang out and play harp, but if you start chasing off the other customers, as it were, I have to throw you out.
Here is your test. Leave this thread without comment and let the issue drop. Enjoy the forum and the discussion of harmonica related things. Or go hassle people somewhere else.
PS, OCD is a terrible thing. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. At one point in my life it would take me 45 minutes to wash my hands after going to the bathroom.
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HarmonicaMick
348 posts
Jun 21, 2015
4:45 AM
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It was three in the morning, so perhaps I did miss all the points.
I will read your reply and re-read the one that came before when I've been for my walkies, and, if I feel I'm wrong, will say so. Having said that, we are so far at polar opposites on this that I'm not expecting to have a change of heart. Still, I'll try to be objective.
The Sun actually just came out over here in Blighty, and us Brits need to make the most of that when it happens, so, walkies here I come.
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Steamrollin Stan
827 posts
Jun 21, 2015
5:22 AM
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C'mon fella's, as an observer this is a real bitch fight.....lol. Really who gives a fuck?
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HarmonicaMick
349 posts
Jun 21, 2015
6:37 AM
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Woah!
My God, perhaps you could try to be a little more patronising.
If you re-read the thread, you'll see that it was actually you who started arguing in your post of Jun 20, 9:13 AM. I merely responded to to an assertion you made about a word - yet another banned word, so it would seem. The list seems to grow daily, and is tiresome to keep up with.
Just to be clear, I'm not using your definition of the word 'argument', although I understand and agree with the distinction you are making; instead, I'm using one of those to be found in the Oxford English dictionary:
'An exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one'
It was quite unequivocally you, with your censorship of a word, based on your view of its offensiveness - why do liberals always have to get offended on behalf on someone else? - who began that process, and I've no doubt from your use of language that you are more than intelligent enough to see that.
Still, I suppose the point is somewhat moot, and not really worth any further copy.
From my very brief return to the forum, and especially from this thread, I can see that it is no longer a place I like to be in, so, as you suggest, I will go somewhere else, and let you continue to hassle people who have the temerity to disagree with you on here.
Lastly, two quick points:
1. Read Dragonbreath's post of yesterday at 6:18 PM, and ask yourself if you think it respectful. Here it is in full:
"I think stuff like "manpon" and shit it bullshit. Can't you see that? It's implying women and their qualities are inferior. It's happening everywhere all the time and it's fucked up. "Me man - me superior". Grow up and take responsibility for your actions. It might not seem like a big thing, but it's about norms in general and either make them stronger or make them weaker. IT*S RACISM. And the stupidest argument for keeping this behavior up is the "everybody does it" bullshit. Be a fucking stand up person and don't bash on women to make you feel superior.
Think about it. Is this something you want to support? Do you want your daughter to feel inferior? Do you want lesser qualities and behavior to be associated with women? Don't bash on women and come up with excuses for doing so it's just the mark of a weak person."
You seem to be quite selective in your judgement of what is disrespectful. If I were gay, or a member of one of the other so-called minority groups whom political correctness ostensibly stands up for, I think I'd prefer to have an epithet thrown at me rather than that kind of childishly provocative ranting.
Still, I'm not so illiberal - unlike most liberals - that I would want Dragonbreath not to have his or her say. It is entirely up to me to weigh up the statement's intention and respond accordingly, which I did: by ignoring it.
2. You write:
"How long do you think you'd keep getting invited if you kept being nasty and comparing your host to Pol Pot?"
I did no such thing. You misread my post. I was alluding to the worst of left-wing politics, which, historically, has always ended up with people being allowed to say fewer and fewer things. It happened in Communist Russia and in East Germany. It is happening in North Korea and China. And the same thing is happening in the USA and that other large country, the EU.
True, we don't drag people out of their beds at midnight, take them to a windowless room with a naked light bulb, and get the thumbscrews out.
We don't have to: instead, we fire them from their jobs, ban them from this or that, and make it clear to all onlookers that anyone who utters a forbidden word or idea will face the same consequences. There are countless examples I could give you, but there's no need; you know it to be true as well as I do.
Now that you've read my response, you can go ahead and delete my account.
All the best,
Mick
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dougharps
947 posts
Jun 21, 2015
7:57 AM
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There are some harmonica players and musicians whose politics are very left, and some whose views far to the right, and some in the middle.
It is irrelevant in this forum, since we are here because we enjoy harmonica, and blues, and modern blues harmonica. There are many forums and comment sections in which we can argue these points ad infinitum. Sometimes I indulge in posting comments of a political nature in those settings.
I don't think it serves a purpose in this setting, as a forum about Modern Blues Harmonica should be able to include musicians of the entire political spectrum. In order to include such a wide range of players it needs rules to focus posts on the purpose of the forum and not alienate players holding any political position, be it left or right.
I am not a fan of political correctness and hold political views that may not be accepted by many musicians, but I do not oppose the forum rules because I do not come here for political debate. I come here for harmonica information sharing. In person, I don't engage in strong political debate with most players because that is not the purpose of associating. Making music is the purpose, and I can make music with people whose views I don't share. Music is a unifier.
I cannot believe that this thread has continued so long and escalated to this extent.
Perhaps the OP was correct in suggesting that this is the "silly season?" Let's talk about harmonica and music. Let this thread wither...
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Doug S.
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1847
2489 posts
Jun 21, 2015
8:16 AM
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i was thinking that this one one of the better threads here on mbh
what is sad is losing well respected members in good standing
mr time is tight is always helpful and with correct answers to all questions. there are quite a few people that have extensive knowledge on this forum, however they are often in demand
and too busy, thats what happens when you are successful.
time is tight always would take the time to answer questions.
i do understand his need to take a break,
not too long ago i was suspended for a week over
something that was really stupid.
i ended up staying away for 6 months, not sure if i wanted to come back here.
what i learned by staying away is i do not fell the need to respond or even read some of the silly ass threads
i can just choose to ignore any and all comments as i see fit.
but what makes me want to leave is the fact that there is a lot of mis-information re: harmonica that gets passed as truth.
that bothers me much more than some trivial bulls%$#
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dougharps
949 posts
Jun 21, 2015
8:21 AM
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I would hope that any misinformation about harmonica would receive responses offering a different opinion. That is the strength of a forum. If someone presents information that is not necessarily right, others will speak up.
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Doug S.
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1847
2490 posts
Jun 21, 2015
8:47 AM
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sadly that is often not the case there are least 2 recent threads
i could point out
however one may just need time to be responded too
mt time is tight is one of the members that could be counted on
and he is a little disillusioned with us... not that i can blame him
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hvyj
2697 posts
Jun 21, 2015
9:52 AM
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Selective enforcement and double (triple/multiple)standards are a deeply entrenched tradition here at MBH. It's easier to ignore or tolerate this phenomenon so long as it's not you that's directly affected. I can certainly appreciate those who do not want not to be bothered by putting up with such crap any longer. It's just unfortunate that some of those who contibute the more intelligent and valuable commentary find themselves in such a situation.
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nacoran
8542 posts
Jun 21, 2015
10:41 AM
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"Now that you've read my response, you can go ahead and delete my account."
Lol. I read that as, 'Stop me, please, I can't stop spewing this stuff'. If you want me to delete you I would be more than happy too. (I only skimmed your last comment because it was obviously more of the same.) I always like to get a second opinion in a case like this though, at that point when I start really banging my head against my keyboard, so unless you are specifically asking to be removed from the rolls you'll have to wait.
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The Iceman
2528 posts
Jun 21, 2015
11:10 AM
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good one, narcoran. also, good one, Mick
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The Iceman
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didjcripey
908 posts
Jun 21, 2015
2:30 PM
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@ 1847: I'm interested to know what misinformation re harmonica that is being passed as truth.
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kudzurunner
5546 posts
Jun 21, 2015
4:38 PM
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I hate to play Bad Cop vis a vis nacoran's Good Cop, but sometimes it's required.
The MBH forum is not a place in which the limits of free speech will be tested. Experience teaches us that all sorts of problems arise when people make that assumption--most of them arising from the problem that blues harmonica players, as a group, tend to drift towards insanity roughly in accord with the lunar calendar. (And I'm not trying to diss Muslims and Christians, BTW; I honor all faiths and spiritual orientations. Just trying to be real.)
This place has shown an endless ability to recharge and thrust onward, but only when the admins and I are willing to exercise our power. If you--whoever you are--get pissed off by this fact, that's your problem, not ours. We didn't ask for this commission, but we accept it.
If you want unfettered free speech, I suggest that you step outside the front door of your apartment, house, shack, bog, fen, or estate, and shout whatever you want at the top of your lungs. Depending on where you live, either nobody will care or you'll be arrested as a lunatic. But you WILL have absolute free speech.
Here, on the other hand, you'll need tofind a way of smoothing off enough of the rough edges that you don't cause too many back-of-the-house emails to pass back and forth.
HarmonicaMick, please tone it down. This sort of thing raises alarms: "It was much more fun when the late Buddha got everyone's blood pressure rising than the sanitised place it now is."
If that's how you feel, you need to move on. This is the wrong forum for you. Or just step outside your front door and shout whatever you want at the heavens.
We'd prefer that you have a big drink, smile to yourself, grumble a little, and stay for the party.
Last Edited by kudzurunner on Jun 21, 2015 4:41 PM
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