Greg Heumann
2853 posts
Oct 05, 2014
2:57 PM
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This is amazing! Beats any demonstration of throat singing I've ever heard, by miles and miles.....
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KingoBad
1544 posts
Oct 05, 2014
3:16 PM
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Holy crap Greg, that is a spectacular find!!!!
I've always loved watching the Tuvan guys, but this is amazing!
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JustFuya
587 posts
Oct 05, 2014
5:10 PM
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Wow! I'd settle for one voice. Absolutely mind boggling. I can't imagine how she does that. The overblow of vocals?
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Dog Face
276 posts
Oct 05, 2014
6:56 PM
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Yyyyyeah. It was almost hard to get into because I've never heard anything like it, but I gave it a chance and it gets pretty darn impressive around 3:40.
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Rubes
902 posts
Oct 06, 2014
3:10 AM
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Great!
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harpdude61
2174 posts
Oct 06, 2014
5:20 AM
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Thank you Greg! This is truly amazing! Goes even further to prove a point about the value of the throat and learning to control it.
She changes the overtone pitch by using the muscles in the throat to reshape the throat. Very similar to how throat benders on harmonica do it.
Working on singing while playing harp...if I could only whistle thru my nose too.
Thanks again Greg. Truly amazing!
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The Iceman
2184 posts
Oct 06, 2014
5:49 AM
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Overtone singing is a voice technique where it seems like one person sings two notes at the same time.
This is achieved by manipulating the resonances (or formants) created as air travels from the lungs, past the vocal folds, and out of the lips to produce a melody. The partials (fundamental and overtones) of a sound wave made by the human voice can be selectively amplified by changing the shape of the resonant cavities of the mouth, larynx and pharynx.
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deking
1 post
Oct 06, 2014
6:01 AM
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Watch the movie "Genghis Blues".
Blind bluesmusician Paul Pena was intrigued by an example of Tuvan throat-singing he heard on a Radio Moscow broadcast. Pena taught himself Tuvan. There were no Tuvan to English translation dictionaries, so Pena used two dictionaries: Tuvan to Russian and Russian to English.
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KingoBad
1545 posts
Oct 06, 2014
6:39 AM
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I can overtone sing (not anywhere close to this lady) and it is about tongue and mouth position to change the overtone pitch.
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harpdude61
2178 posts
Oct 06, 2014
7:08 AM
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Thanks Ice for backing up my statement.
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The Iceman
2186 posts
Oct 06, 2014
7:24 AM
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harpdude...
I realize you use any platform or posting to further your throat bending opinion, but my post was not one backing up your statement. We all here know I disagree with this approach and favor tongue placement, etc, similar to KingoBad's comment regarding overtone singing.
Please leave me out of your equation in the future.
Also wish to avoid that energy draining ongoing debate/argument with you.
In researching larynx and pharynx, I didn't find anything suggesting "from the throat" in regards to control.
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harpdude61
2179 posts
Oct 06, 2014
7:51 AM
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Buddha used throat singing to compare with throat bending. He posted videos similar to the above. He heard me play four notes, interrupted me, and said you are a "throat player".
I understand KingoBads statement but you cannot deny this lady has throat control. Makes sense when you are dealing with two pitches.
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Last Edited by harpdude61 on Oct 08, 2014 1:13 PM
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nacoran
8043 posts
Oct 06, 2014
10:06 AM
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And then, one day, Iceman bent with his throat, and harpdude bent with his tongue and they looked at each other and said, 'Huh, you were right, that does work'. :) The more tools you have in your tool chest...
Greg, great link. I clicked on one of her other links- it got very Gregorian Chant like. Cool. I messed around with trying to learn to do this once, and managed to produce a couple overtones, but it I got a sore throat. I guess I shouldn't have tried it at home. :)
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The Iceman
2187 posts
Oct 06, 2014
11:30 AM
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[Please note that harpdude removed/edited his offensive comments,so this and following entries may not make much sense]
Harpdude...
1. to answer your question: I have a long history w/Michalek. We did not agree on many things. He was talented, but definitely not the final word on any issue.
2. Your last post has two attacks directed towards me. I believe this violates the forum creed.
Leave the personal insults behind, please.
Of course, leaving me out of your personal equation altogether will also work for me.
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Last Edited by The Iceman on Oct 08, 2014 2:49 PM
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Thievin' Heathen
404 posts
Oct 06, 2014
12:24 PM
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Truly amazing. They must have long cold winters in Tuvan.
I hope this art form does not die off once all the practitioners discover it can be done with $150 pedal.
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harpdude61
2183 posts
Oct 06, 2014
4:17 PM
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Very cool indeed.
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Last Edited by harpdude61 on Oct 08, 2014 1:14 PM
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The Iceman
2190 posts
Oct 06, 2014
5:39 PM
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My last public communication w/harpdude...
You have quite an imagination.
I don't think about you near as much as you seem to think I do.
Please don't bait me, insult me, or tell me what or what not to do on MBH.
I will continue to offer my comments and experiences to the fine folk in this group.
I feel you have some kind of personal problem with me. We all know that by now. No need to keep doggin'.
Now, please move on. (Resist lastpostitus if you can).
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harpdude61
2184 posts
Oct 06, 2014
6:40 PM
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VERY VERY cool indeed!
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Mojokane
764 posts
Oct 06, 2014
8:11 PM
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I was dumbfounded to discover this back in 94. A truly amazing feat of vocal skills...nobody will believe you. You have to lead them to it and let them hear it fro themselves...wow!
A very old tradition no doubt. They came to Hawaii a few years ago, and blew minds. Real nice fellows, too. I got em to autograph my first copy (CD) from 94. They were very surprised I had their 1st CD..
thanks Greg>
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Last Edited by Mojokane on Oct 06, 2014 8:13 PM
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STME58
1124 posts
Oct 06, 2014
8:38 PM
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"...nobody will believe you. "
I have to admit as I listened to the video I wondered if it was just a recording trick. Ever since hunting "snipe" as a novice boy scout I look askance at things that seem like they may not be for real! :-)
I did note that the overtone series, as expected, is that same as that produced by a bugle or natural horn, the difference being you can change the fundamental by adjusting your vocal cords rather than replacing the crook.
So the physics seems plausible, many of you claim to have heard this on person, I found some other polyphonic singers and a tutorial on the web. I am pretty sure it is legit, but I may reserve some skepticism until I hear it in person. :-)
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The Iceman
2193 posts
Oct 07, 2014
4:29 AM
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Overtone singing and Anna-Maria Hefele are fascinating to me (and many of you, by your comments).
I am curious about unusual mouth techniques and always want to learn more to add to my teaching skills.
I figured why not go to the source, so I emailed Anna-Maria.
This is what I asked her..."Overtone singing - do you focus on or use your throat muscles to create the overtones? Or, is it mostly tongue placement in mouth and size of mouth resonating chamber.
Where do you focus your attention?"
This was Anna-Maria's reply..."I am using the tongue and mouth to form the resonance tones/ formants.
best regards!
Anna"
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The Iceman
2194 posts
Oct 07, 2014
11:47 AM
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It's possible that she is holding the throat open in a "pre-yawn attitude" in order to create a large resonant chamber for best tone.
This is similar to how I teach harmonica technique.
Will have to get a lesson with her next time I'm in Berlin.
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BronzeWailer
1480 posts
Oct 07, 2014
7:15 PM
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I tried the tutorial STME58. Found I could get a Tuvan style sound with a little work. My wife said "it sounds like you're throat singing" without knowing what shenanagins I was up to.
BronzeWailer's YouTube
Last Edited by BronzeWailer on Oct 07, 2014 7:15 PM
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kudzurunner
5021 posts
Oct 07, 2014
7:51 PM
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That's amazing, Greg! Jesus. Around 3:08 or so, she really got me. It's the craziest thing I've ever heard. You have to pay attention; the subtlety and perfection of what she's doing doesn't always hit you over the head. That overtone sort of hides out near the fundamental.
Last Edited by kudzurunner on Oct 08, 2014 11:13 AM
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kudzurunner
5022 posts
Oct 07, 2014
7:56 PM
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The OP video has 3,600,000 hits. This video has only 76,000 hits. Better stuff, I think. Same woman.
Last Edited by kudzurunner on Oct 08, 2014 11:13 AM
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Mojokane
765 posts
Oct 07, 2014
9:16 PM
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would I lie?
Hun Hurr from Tuva came here and blew minds.
Having been a believer 10 years prior, I was so happy to see them do it in person and meet them, too.
Sadly, they have no cleavage...more cleavage, please.
check this out...
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Last Edited by Mojokane on Oct 07, 2014 9:19 PM
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SuperBee
2217 posts
Oct 08, 2014
3:28 AM
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The way she moves her hands reminds me of someone playing a theremin. She sounds a bit like a theremin too.
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Gnarly
1126 posts
Oct 08, 2014
5:06 AM
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Wow, where did the cleavage go??!!???
She is smiling a lot more in the "more popular" video . . .
Here's a "jam session" . . .
I like this a lot, for a variety of reasons--they even have the free reed featured prominently--too bad the instrument has only one fundamental . . .
Check out the vamp at 6:30 and the tender moment at 6:40, where the solos end and the head comes back.
Last Edited by Gnarly on Oct 08, 2014 5:13 AM
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Gnarly
1127 posts
Oct 08, 2014
5:27 AM
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Edited to eliminate redundancy.
Last Edited by Gnarly on Oct 08, 2014 4:00 PM
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CarlA
613 posts
Oct 08, 2014
5:29 AM
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Only on MBH can a video on polyphonic singing (or any topic for that matter) turn into a pissing match.
I find this forum to be more useful for comedy relief than it does towards anything of deeper substance.
Carry on lads........
Last Edited by CarlA on Oct 08, 2014 5:30 AM
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harpdude61
2188 posts
Oct 08, 2014
5:33 AM
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She is doing two pitches at the same time. I would love to know the physics of what is happening here. She is definitely shaping her mouth to change at least one of the pitches. Maybe both, but unlikely, IMHO. But maybe not. I can play 6 overblow and 7 blow at the same time to get a nasty flat 7th under the root in first position. I'm using two reeds. She would logically be using two resonance chambers that she can shape. She may not be able to explain exactly what she is doing.
She can change pitch A while holding pitch B. She can change pitch B while holding pitch A.
I would appreciate a more detailed breakdown of what she is doing and how it's done. Speculation as well as fact welcome.
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harpdude61
2189 posts
Oct 08, 2014
5:36 AM
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VERY VERY VERY cool indeed.
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Last Edited by harpdude61 on Oct 08, 2014 1:15 PM
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Gnarly
1128 posts
Oct 08, 2014
5:58 AM
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I KNEW there was a reason I came to this forum.
Thanks for sharing!
PS She's much cuter with hair--and me too!
Last Edited by Gnarly on Oct 08, 2014 4:01 PM
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JustFuya
596 posts
Oct 08, 2014
6:41 AM
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I am ashamed that this excellent conversation has devolved into an explanation of one of life's most deplorable and degrading functions. I'd love to expand on this thought but my dog beckons and we always respect priorities in this house.
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CarlA
615 posts
Oct 08, 2014
6:49 AM
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" JustFuya
596 posts
Oct 08, 2014
6:41 AM I am ashamed that this excellent conversation has devolved into an explanation of one of life's most deplorable and degrading functions. I'd love to expand on this thought but my dog beckons and we always respect priorities in this house."
I guess we all have a different definition of what an "excellent" conversation entails. I think Fido is beckoning for you :)
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Gnarly
1129 posts
Oct 08, 2014
6:56 AM
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Hey, this gal's skills are nothing to lift a leg at--we harmonica players can gain insight into our capabilities by observing this phenomenon (and phenomenal performances).
I bet she never breaks a reed!
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harpdude61
2190 posts
Oct 08, 2014
8:17 AM
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The more I listen to her stuff the more amazed I am. How does she do that? I want to learn.
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Last Edited by harpdude61 on Oct 08, 2014 1:16 PM
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mastercaster
83 posts
Oct 08, 2014
9:04 AM
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Hmmm overdubbing maybe ? If not ... She is truly amazing !
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Gnarly
1130 posts
Oct 08, 2014
9:34 AM
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She's an overtone singer, it's not overdubbed.
By adjusting her resonance, she's accentuating certain frequencies and manifesting them as clearly audible separate notes.
I hope that is clear (and accurate!) enough . . .
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Gnarly
1131 posts
Oct 08, 2014
11:02 AM
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@STME58 Yes . . . And art!
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kudzurunner
5025 posts
Oct 08, 2014
11:16 AM
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After one complaint and a moment's deliberation, I've decided to remove my two references to the singer's sex appeal, above. My point, which was apparently missed, was that many things factor into a video going viral; amazing, remarkable talent is only one. A cute smile and an unbuttoned shirt, combined with amazing, remarkable talent, is an unbeatable combination. But the amazing talent has been there for a while, even if nobody noticed it. That was my (feminist) point. Hope it gets through.
Last Edited by kudzurunner on Oct 08, 2014 11:17 AM
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harpdude61
2191 posts
Oct 08, 2014
1:19 PM
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I deleted my responses to the silly bickering. This thread deserves better.
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BronzeWailer
1481 posts
Oct 08, 2014
2:33 PM
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For the technically inclined...
BronzeWailer's YouTube
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harpdude61
2192 posts
Oct 08, 2014
3:48 PM
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I actually followed this guys directions and heard it a couple of times! AWESOME!
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