HarpNinja
3934 posts
Sep 26, 2014
9:48 AM
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It isn't a simple 12 bar blues...there is the call and response intro, stops on the turnaround to account for, the B section, riffage...
Could you jam to this progression at a jam? Yes. Would you be able to do everything they did without explanation? No.
A simple 12 bar song would be the same progression played the same way with the same timing the whole song. You can actually see where MD has to think about playing a fill during one of the changes. I, personally, think most of us would struggle to play this on a first take.
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Honkin On Bobo
1273 posts
Sep 26, 2014
9:57 AM
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To everybody who thinks Magic Dick's playing on this is so pedestrian, I say if you got a better version of this, go ahead post it!!!!!!
Put up or shut up.
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And no, I'm not gonna because I know I couldn't come close. The rules are it's gotta be you and someone on guitar, no other instruments. Pick any arrangement YOU think is better.
Go ahead, make our day.
Last Edited by Honkin On Bobo on Sep 26, 2014 10:17 AM
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1847
2226 posts
Sep 26, 2014
10:52 AM
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Could you jam to this progression at a jam? Yes. Would you be able to do everything they did without explanation? No.
are instruction at a jam forbidden?
you hear things like...
from the 5
quick change to the 4
watch for the breaks, i'll raise my hand
pro players do that all the time
perhaps i am over simplfying
but i tend to do that, keep it simple stupid
is a phrase that comes to mind.... kiss.
reduce to the lowest common denominator
i never said i did not like this.
my comments were,it is a simple blues tune.
which it is.
i have posted enough of my playing
while i am no magic dick, i can hold my own.
perhaps you are over complicating things?
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HarpNinja
3935 posts
Sep 26, 2014
11:58 AM
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"perhaps you are over complicating things?"
Maybe, but I doubt anyone here would be able to call it out at a blues jam and successfully play it with this same structure in a timely manner.
I can appreciate the want to keep things simple, but I still don't think of the song as a simple 12 bar blues jam. I am confused as to the comments about your playing in the relevance of that in the conversation.
I wouldn't equate this to being a blues song...it is a 12 bar, but it is R&B or funk, IMHO.
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1847
2227 posts
Sep 26, 2014
12:11 PM
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the reference to my playing was in re: to the other poster, replying put up or shut up, not to anything you said, sorry for the confusion.
this is a funky blues jam, but blues none the less,
there is an 8 bar bridge after the harp solo
the singer will often hold up 5 fingers indicting the 5chord or 4 fingers on the 4 chord so everyone can follow
this is very common blues device
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nanothermite
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sean
9 posts
Sep 26, 2014
12:25 PM
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Adam you say your not as good as Magic Dick,well for my money your a better player than him..anyone else agree?
Sean
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HarpNinja
3936 posts
Sep 26, 2014
12:36 PM
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Lots of songs are I IV V and even 12 bars...that doesn't mean they are blues songs (or easy to play, or work with blues harp riffs). If that was true, the Beatles would be the world's biggest blues band...
http://www.aaronkrerowicz.com/beatles-blog/the-12-bar-blues-in-beatles-music-part-2-analyses
Historically, PGABNB was a R&B hit and is regarded as one of the songs that made funk a genre...I don't think the average person would consider it blues either. Here are a few 12 bar blues songs...
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Last Edited by HarpNinja on Sep 26, 2014 12:48 PM
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1847
2228 posts
Sep 26, 2014
1:11 PM
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funk music has a strong beat on the one.
but not at the expense of the back beat
on the two and the four.
i bet magic is reading this
saying to himself, while laughing out loud
yep, we were just jamming some blues.
some folks....
if they dont know..... you can't tell em
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nanothermite
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boris_plotnikov
1009 posts
Sep 26, 2014
1:12 PM
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Shun Ng is something really great I never seen before.
In general I like Magic Dick's playing (although it seems to me he can make a better take), but I dislike harmonica tone. Too much low mid frequencies for clean tone for my taste. I'd prefer more clearer tone or some distortion. But I like pan effect.
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Excuse my bad English.
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Last Edited by boris_plotnikov on Sep 27, 2014 12:32 AM
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HarpNinja
3937 posts
Sep 26, 2014
2:25 PM
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I will default to your superior intelligence, talent, and musical ability, but I still don't understand how Papa's Got A Brand New Bag is a simple blues song.
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Last Edited by HarpNinja on Sep 26, 2014 2:34 PM
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1847
2234 posts
Sep 26, 2014
3:35 PM
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i remember the mighty flyers released an album
file under rock
most people would consider them a blues band, i would.
the record company thought they would sell more records
by calling it that.
not sure rod liked the idea, but hey if it sells more records
nanothermite
Last Edited by 1847 on Sep 26, 2014 3:37 PM
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HarpNinja
3938 posts
Sep 26, 2014
4:20 PM
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Your posts continue to confuse me in their point. Here is an excerpt from a book about the song and the godfather of soul...http://books.google.com/books?id=ehSBVZUQpSIC&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102&dq=papa%27s+got+a+brand+new+bag+rhythm&source=bl&ots=rEoo8kdRAy&sig=8YnCRLKrZZ4lmRH0FF4eUJsjgrU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Od0lVLSDEdahyATIuIGgAw&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAjgK----------
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1847
2235 posts
Sep 26, 2014
4:38 PM
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it would be a lot easier to check that out
if you made that into a link
so we all could click on it just sayin
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nanothermite
Last Edited by 1847 on Sep 26, 2014 4:38 PM
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Barley Nectar
527 posts
Sep 27, 2014
7:20 AM
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MD is the ONLY harp player I ever really listened to as I learned to play. I never tried to copy his licks or anyone else's, but I love the J Giles Band to this day. I'm really glad to see Dick in good form and good health. I think the vid is awesome. It is funky, fresh, and really cool. The timing is impeccable and the licks are clean on both counts.
About the Blues label. I have been fighting this for years. Too many people think harp is only for blues, including many musicians. I often tell a band when setting in, "Don't give me any slow freekin blues, just play the next song on the set list". I'm a pretty laid back guy but this Blues Only, thing gets me steamed!!!...Goose
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nacoran
8030 posts
Sep 27, 2014
11:03 AM
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Millson, I like your compression metaphor, but sometimes a little compression is a good thing for thickening the sound.
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harpdude61
2175 posts
Oct 06, 2014
5:46 AM
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Maybe I should have said simply that it doesn't do it for me. Sorry if I was being an antagonist.
This is one time that I am truly in the minority. Respect to all and their opinions.
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