wheel
293 posts
Jul 01, 2014
6:14 AM
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I've invented new harmonica tuning that allows you to play chromatically very easy (using only bends) and it is very "richterish". I've checked overblow.com, Jim's anthology and have not found any similar tuning.
This is a short demo of it.
Thank you for listening :)
more details will coming soon
If you have any ideas how I can name it - please feel free to post them here.
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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
my music
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harpdude61
2061 posts
Jul 01, 2014
8:25 AM
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The Real Wheel Tuning!
Curious to see the layout.
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isaacullah
2840 posts
Jul 01, 2014
9:18 AM
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I'm curious to see the layout too! Is it not a variant of "spiral" tuning, then? It sounds interesting!
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wheel
294 posts
Jul 02, 2014
3:34 AM
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harpdude61, isaacullah, thank you for the interest! I will show the layout and details in the next video :)
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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
my music
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hannes
28 posts
Jul 08, 2014
3:33 PM
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Come on, don't keep us waiting ;-)
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Oso
54 posts
Jul 08, 2014
4:01 PM
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Nice wheel!! Awaiting your next video!!
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wheel
295 posts
Jul 09, 2014
7:23 AM
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hannes, Oso, thanks you so much for interest! I think next video will be ready in 2-3 weeks! :)
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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
my music
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hannes
29 posts
Jul 11, 2014
7:50 AM
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Maybe I figured it out from your clip - still waiting and curious about how close i got ;-)
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Michael Rubin
914 posts
Jul 12, 2014
8:42 AM
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This looks cool.
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wheel
296 posts
Jul 14, 2014
12:11 AM
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hannes, interesting... interesting :) Maybe you discovered new harmonica tuning too! :)
Michael Rubin, thank you!
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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
my music
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jnorem
386 posts
Jul 14, 2014
12:12 AM
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So when do we get to see your new harmonica tuning?
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Brendan Power
436 posts
Jul 14, 2014
2:15 AM
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I think it's a mix of Richter bottom end and modified Diminished further up. It's pure Richter holes 1-4, pure Diminished from holes 6-10, with a transitional hole 5 to bring the notes into line for chords & improv in 2nd Position.
Konstantin seems to be using a harp that starts on Low F, so I postulate the scale is (blow notes on top):
F A C F Ab Bb Db E G Bb
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
G C E G Bb C Eb F# A C
Translate that into a harp that starts on C, and it looks like this:
C E G C Eb F Ab B D F
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
D G B D F G Bb C# E G
If it's this scale, it's not strictly fully chromatic without overblows, as you'd still need one on hole 1 to get the semitone between 1 draw and 2 blow.
If 2 blow is lowered a semitone it would be fully chromatic without overblows, but then the low blow chord will be minor, not major - which I didn't hear on the clip.
Am I right, Konstantin? It's a nice mix :-)
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wheel
297 posts
Jul 14, 2014
3:22 AM
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It's impossible to hide any secrets from Brandon! :) ;) Yes, you are right about tuning! That's why I'm still not decided about bottom of the tuning, I'm not posted full information about it. One of my prototypes uses paddy Richter idea on the 3 hole for example. Main disadvantage that I've found in my tuning is that octave 3-6 is missed. But! I can easily play Juke in 6 position for example! :)
For everybody, if you will start to use this tuning then please call it "easy chromatic" it will be a pleasure for me :) ;)
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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
my music
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hannes
30 posts
Jul 14, 2014
5:11 AM
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Konstantin, looks like I invented another new tuning :-)
I thought I heard a Db octave split in your clip and it seemed to me that in the chromatic run you bent every note by 2 semitones - seems like I cant' really trust my ears. Anyways, that's what I came up with:
F A C F A Bb C# E G Bb
G C E G Bb C# E G Bb C#
Funny enough, after thinking about it for a while I had the idea to create a hybrid between harmonic minor and diminished from hole 6 upwards
F Ab C F Ab B D F Ab B
G C E G Bb C# E G Bb C#
This way you have a 3-7 octave ...
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1847
1953 posts
Jul 14, 2014
8:09 AM
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four key tuning
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
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Brendan Power
437 posts
Jul 14, 2014
2:53 PM
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I think your "Easy Chromatic" tuning is pretty cool Konstantin, and you play it well!
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Frank
4815 posts
Jul 14, 2014
3:01 PM
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I'm floored :)
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Gnarly
1061 posts
Jul 14, 2014
10:48 PM
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I'm impressed by Brendan's ability to decipher a tuning by listening to a recording!
Fourkey is great, but it doesn't have the bends--this tuning has a bend on every hole.
I also like that there is no shift in the breath pattern.
I will try to build one of these when time allows.
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wheel
298 posts
Jul 15, 2014
12:38 AM
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Brendan,Frank,jnorem, Gnarly, thank you all for attention for this tuning!
Hannes, hmmm I like your idea a lot! Once I've started to thinking about to develop a new tuning I've looked into harmonic minor too, but my ideas did not go too far. Cool!
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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
my music
Last Edited by wheel on Jul 15, 2014 12:50 AM
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Gnarly
1062 posts
Jul 15, 2014
11:57 AM
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So here's what I got . . .
C E G C E G C E G C
D G B D F A B D F A
That's a C harp--no need to retune the bottom four holes.
Blow 5 gets lowered a half step, and blow and draw 6-10 require a retune (or replacement).
0 0 0 0 -1 -2 -4 -5 -5 -7
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
0 0 0 0 0 -2 -1 -1 -1 -2
C E G C Eb F Ab B D F
D G B D F G Bb C# E G
You could try to use a key other than C to start, but I think replacing the blow reeds 8, 9, and 10 would be a better bet.
OK, now this--
Made one out of a ProMaster,not quite in tune, but playable.
I will give it some time, and bring it to SPAH!
PS It will in tune by SPAH 8^)
PPS Didn't replace any reeds.
PPPS I would probably call it "Richter dimi"
Last Edited by Gnarly on Jul 15, 2014 1:54 PM
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hannes
31 posts
Jul 15, 2014
3:39 PM
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Why repeat the F (on a C harp) ? You already have a diminished chord on 3-5 draw of a standard tuned harp, you could just carry on with Ab B D F Ab on 6-10 draw which gives you more octave splits. And hole 5-10 blow would become Eb F# A C Eb F# which is more in line with diminished tuning (Eb-F is "out of line"), gives you more octave splits as well and a little less to retune.
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GMaj7
468 posts
Jul 16, 2014
6:28 AM
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I love these alternate tuning discussions and I like the innovation!
If you buy a Seydel through me in any of the above alternate tunings and decide after playing it that you don't like it, I will refund your money or swap it out for a standard Richter tuned.
Make the jump and explore a little!
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Greg Jones
16:23 Custom Harmonicas
greg@1623customharmonicas.com
1623customharmonicas.com
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wheel
299 posts
Jul 17, 2014
12:29 AM
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GMaj7, cool offer! I'm glad that this topic grab your interest!
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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
my music
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GMaj7
469 posts
Jul 17, 2014
4:15 AM
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Gnarly.. (Gary..) I do make this offer on 12 hole models.
Even if we lose a few dollars here and there, it always works out when business supports innovation. New and creative sounds spark interest in the instrument and that's a good thing.
.. and yes.. looking forward to SPAH 51 and catching up.
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Greg Jones
16:23 Custom Harmonicas
greg@1623customharmonicas.com
1623customharmonicas.com
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Brendan Power
438 posts
Jul 17, 2014
4:13 PM
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@ Hannes: I think Konstantin was making his tuning more user-friendly for improvising in 2nd position (G on a C harp).
Starting the Diminished scale on the F in hole 6 gives you the G as a draw, available for soulful wailing and bending down to the F# major seventh. Otherwise it would be a draw bend, not so flexible.
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wheel
318 posts
Oct 11, 2014
11:13 AM
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Hello everybody! Accidentally I've read the topic again and have found that layout that was here is incorrect! Sorry to all! The correct "easy chromatic" does not have double notes like Bb on 5 and 6 holes here.
Correct layout can be found in this short video (0.40).
Hope that you like it!
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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
my music
Last Edited by wheel on Oct 11, 2014 11:14 AM
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