MUDHOUND
48 posts
Mar 16, 2014
10:56 AM
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>>Its HILARIOUS how most of you just jump on Gussows side instantly<<
No, it's not hilarious at all.
Let's break it down. A PROFESSIONAL well known blues harp player offers to review some garage amp builder's amp. The builder refuses because he's afraid the amp won't measure up to pro standards. The old saying 'if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch' comes to mind here.
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Gnarly
961 posts
Mar 16, 2014
11:51 AM
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"The builder refuses because he's afraid the amp won't measure up to pro standards."
The thread contradicts that point of view--
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Rick Davis
3093 posts
Mar 16, 2014
12:01 PM
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Since yesterday I've taken three new paid orders for the Memphis Mini amp, one from a player in the UK. A customer in France said, "Un petit monstre avec un gros son, je suis heureux!" (A little monster with a big sound. I am pleased!)
Those are the people whose opinions matter to me.
This thread has been fun. Some folks will prefer other amps, and that is a-ok with me. The tone of the Memphis Mini amp sings just right for some players, and I'm happy I can provide a good product at a good price.
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The Memphis Mini harp amp
The Blues Harp Amps Blog
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SuperBee
1760 posts
Mar 16, 2014
12:25 PM
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Guys, never mind the troll huh. That kind of ignorance doesn't merit attention, nor emulation
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JInx
755 posts
Mar 16, 2014
3:06 PM
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For the advertising you hit us with, you owe it to the forum to GIVE Adam a free unit.
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MUDHOUND
49 posts
Mar 16, 2014
3:47 PM
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>>I'm sorry to burst all of your bubbles here but in the real world, not the MBH world, Adam is not famous. Hell he isn't even famous in the blues world. Hes not even that famous in the blues harmonica world<<
And Nic Clark is? WTF is he anyway?
Oh wait, some guy who comes to Ricky's jam night.
Well that changes everything, huh?
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Fishlips
20 posts
Mar 16, 2014
9:20 PM
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Reading the past couple of pages of this thread, I am rather unimpressed by the position of Mr. Davis. If I were regularly and aggressively promoting a new amp, as he is, I would be delighted to welcome Adam Gussow’s review of my product. I would only delay sending a sample of my work if I thought my product is clearly inferior to the HG2, to which comparison had been invited. To reject Adam’s valuable free review clearly implies a serious lack of confidence on the part of Mr. Davis.
If this were merely a matter of inventory I’m sure a quick resolution could have been reached. If I were promoting a new amp, and had Adam offered to try and perhaps buy it, I would stay up all night with my soldering gun to make sure he received one ASAP. The last thing I would do would be to play word games with an esteemed harmonica master on his own forum in a transparent attempt to avoid an objective A/B comparison.
I can now only assume the MM amp will not stand up to an objective comparison to the Harp Gear product.
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HumbleHarper
2 posts
Mar 16, 2014
9:41 PM
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Yeah but what you all don't seemed to get is not everyone worships and thinks highly of Adams talents, skill, profile and attitude enough to build him an amp and ship it to him tmake a video that mostly you guys on this forum will see because the 50-100 of you on here are Gussows only fan base. and thats pretty sad. Who else but all of you on this forum is gonna search Harp Gear 2 vs Memphis Mini? Not every harp player values and hold Adams opinion in such high regard.
Oh but because my opinion differs from all of yours I'm a troll. haha.
Last Edited by HumbleHarper on Mar 16, 2014 9:48 PM
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blueswannabe
441 posts
Mar 16, 2014
9:45 PM
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@fishlips, Rick has accepted the offer... I believe Adam will be objective...because I believe he is fair and has intellectual integrity and will call it the way he sees it. With that said, both amps..I believe, sound exceptional, so it will come down to other factors, price being one of them. We are splitting hairs on tone.
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Fishlips
21 posts
Mar 16, 2014
9:57 PM
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The burden of proof is on Rick. He is the person using Adam's forum to repeatedly promote his new product. It would be more than reasonable to assume that the majority of those of us on this forum regard its host as as competent musician. However, whether you respect Adam's opinion is of small interest, and I personally resent the implication that I or others here are blind sycophants. The point is that Rick rejected a reasonable offer, and this implies his lack of confidence in his product. I had previously thought that the MM was probably a good amp, but now I am in doubt.
Last Edited by Fishlips on Mar 16, 2014 10:07 PM
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blueswannabe
442 posts
Mar 16, 2014
10:00 PM
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We all have our reasons, but regardless...it's a moot point now. He has agreed.
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1847
1593 posts
Mar 16, 2014
10:25 PM
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mr humble harper
what if we were to arrange for you to demo both amps?
is that something you would consider?
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SuperBee
1762 posts
Mar 16, 2014
11:24 PM
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Omg the logic is overwhelming.
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Steve Harvell
160 posts
Mar 16, 2014
11:32 PM
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I have not been here for a couple of years, recovering from bone cancer and a stem cell transplant at Duke Medicine last summer. Adam sounds like a pompous ass and an ego too big for the universe. What the hell is up with you guys?
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Milsson
116 posts
Mar 16, 2014
11:59 PM
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This thread brings a new meaning to shameless promotion. Creating a troll user to bash the site owner? The same site that got your buisness up and running and the same site that you have been allowed to promote your amp in EVERY thread for the last year.
Adam has 30k subscribers and 11 MILLION views it would be a shame not to use his "fame" to sell a product.
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nacoran
7616 posts
Mar 17, 2014
2:54 AM
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HumbleHarper, it's interesting I can't find any links with your registered name and harmonica together on Google. Your off by over a couple orders of magnitude, by the way, on the size of the forum.
Steve Harvell, I didn't read it that way at all. I like Adam and Rick both. What we've got here is a failure to communicate, but for some reason, after they got things squared away there was a post game show. What's up everyone? (Steve, sorry to hear about your health problems. Hope you are okay now.)
Milsson, I don't think our troll has anything to do with Rick.
LSC, I hesitate in deleting it. Sometimes leaving the ugly up reminds us what to steer away from, and there is a part of me that want's to keep this amazing talent, HumbleHarper, who has taken the time to register to troll, on the record.
"Its HILARIOUS how most of you just jump on Gussows side instantly. They should call this forum the Gussows Minions Forum because thats what you all sound like. Adam is obviously in the wrong here and in his later posts hes trying to save his ass. In the first post I hear the voice of a pompous egotistical man. All of you guys on here really think Rick Davis should build an amp, pay to send it to Adam, just so he can try it out and make a video of a side-by-side comparison with an amp that he is a paid endorser of? Then if he doesn't like it Rick has to pay return shipping. That just SCREAMS bad business to me.
I'm sorry to burst all of your bubbles here but in the real world, not the MBH world, Adam is not famous. Hell he isn't even famous in the blues world. Hes not even that famous in the blues harmonica world. If it weren't for his video lessons or this website NONE of you would have heard of him. Adam Gussow does not have a high enough profile to sell an amp. I bet the HG2 barely sells. No harp player I've ever heard has been trying to get the "Gussow sound".
Adam Gussow someone needs to shove some humble pie down your throat.
Now ban me see if I care. Most of you on here are jokes who aren't ever gonna go anywhere.
Last Edited by HumbleHarper on Mar 15, 2014 11:36 PM
Yeah but what you all don't seemed to get is not everyone worships and thinks highly of Adams talents, skill, profile and attitude enough to build him an amp and ship it to him tmake a video that mostly you guys on this forum will see because the 50-100 of you on here are Gussows only fan base. and thats pretty sad. Who else but all of you on this forum is gonna search Harp Gear 2 vs Memphis Mini? Not every harp player values and hold Adams opinion in such high regard.
Oh but because my opinion differs from all of yours I'm a troll. haha.
Last Edited by HumbleHarper on Mar 16, 2014 9:48 PM"
You are a troll because you jump on, and in your first posts using a pseudonym that with 'humble' in it you attack your host with enough venom that you preemptively say, 'Ban me if you want'. You've got two posts and you've already edited both of them. That's not assuming you are a troll, that is pretty much the definition of trolling. That said, you get your warning. You treat members of the forum with respect. You don't have to like everyone. You don't have to agree with everyone, but you do have to treat them with respect. You talk a big game. Let's hear your playing or something else useful out of you.
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SuperBee
1763 posts
Mar 17, 2014
2:58 AM
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nice work Nate!
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Frank
4040 posts
Mar 17, 2014
5:05 AM
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While you at it Adam, play them in tandem - for an encore presentation at the end of the comparison video :)
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The Iceman
1527 posts
Mar 17, 2014
5:53 AM
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When I heard the Blues Doctors busking in Jacksonville, Adam ran through 2 old amps...If I remember correctly, one had a real crunch and the other added crystal clear definition.
Both together sounded great in a low volume setting.
I know different amps can be used in different situations, but don't know why Adam would want any tone other than what I heard that day.
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walterharp
1347 posts
Mar 17, 2014
6:48 AM
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When I heard Adam doing his one-man-band he was using his kay and a hg2. The mini might match the volume of the kay a bit better and give slightly more crunch to the second amp, though I bet he will find the mini more pushed toward the treble, and I am not sure that is what Adam needs for the second amp. Rick, if you get adam an amp to demo, make sure it is one that has been played a while with the speaker broken in..
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Rick Davis
3098 posts
Mar 17, 2014
9:20 AM
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Creating a troll user???? Not me, Milsson. I'm sure Nate can see the IP addresses of every post. The risk for me to do something like that is WAY too big.
This thread, and this community, has turned very ugly. I am really disappointed in you guys. I didn't start this thread, I politely answered some questions and tried to respond to a request from Adam. His "Sucker" reference was odd and out of place.
When I began making and selling the Memphis Mini amps I contacted Adam offline and asked if it was okay to talk about it in the forum. He said it was fine, as long as I didn't start too many threads about it. I have abided by that, mostly answering questions as I tried to here in this tread. Neither Nate nor Adam has ever contacted me to suggest I should change the way I communicate on the forum.
Look, the amp is selling very well. You guys can argue among yourselves about it if you like; it won't make any difference. In a couple weeks I will have an announcement about endorsements. You can read about it on the website.
Nate, please delete my account immediately.
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The Memphis Mini harp amp
The Blues Harp Amps Blog
The Mile High Blues Society
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1847
1595 posts
Mar 17, 2014
9:49 AM
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This thread, and this community, has turned very ugly. I am really disappointed in you guys.
and you had nothing to do with it.
don't let the door knob hit you where the good lord split you!
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
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blueswannabe
443 posts
Mar 17, 2014
9:59 AM
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@Rick, your opinion is valued. There are some people who will always assume the worse of intentions, no matter who it is. I don't get it. It's easy to do that sitting at a computer. Much harder to do that in person.
I can tell you that I bought a mission 32-20 as a result of your comments, which, by the way,were highly accurate!! When you talk about tone, you know what you're talking about. I think your amp will fair very well becasue of your prior history of accuracy. There is not doubt about that.
I would re-consider.
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nacoran
7617 posts
Mar 17, 2014
9:59 AM
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Everyone please check your sidearms at the door. No friendly fire please.
Rick, you're a valued member of the forum. You can come and go as you please, but please don't let a troll blow up some head butting and turn one thread into more than one thread.
edit:
edit- One more thing- In the past we have had a couple sock puppets. (For those of you who don't know, that's when someone posts under an assumed name, usually to stir up trouble. It's opposite, I would say, is astroturfing, where someone posts under an assumed name to praise themselves). It's the main reason you are now asked to use your real name and not to register as 'I.P. Daily' (although you can use that as your handle if you want, and if that is your real name and I don't approve you, I apologize.)
Accusing someone of sockpuppeting or astroturfing is a basically calling someone a liar. Don't do it. It wasn't Rick. I could go check the IP records to prove it, but Rick has been posting here long enough so that I know that's not his style, and besides right now I'm searching for the Linburger baby. (The Lindbergh Baby is probably long dead by now, but I needed a cheesy joke to lighten the mood, and I thought, although topical, it would be in poor taste to say I was looking for a Malaysian airliner.)
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Last Edited by nacoran on Mar 17, 2014 10:35 AM
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HumbleHarper
3 posts
Mar 17, 2014
10:12 AM
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I a not Rick Davis, I have no relationship to him, I do not own a Memphis Mini amp nor do I ever plan on buying one.
I was very irked by Adam Gussow's comments and how majority of the rest of you jumped on his side even though his comments were very rude and harsh that could be taken the wrong way. Calling Antone a sucker even ones self for buying a Memphis Mini could be taken offensively by Rick.
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dougharps
579 posts
Mar 17, 2014
10:16 AM
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"I think that online communication is easily subject to misinterpretations. I think that it is unfortunate that a casual exchange can escalate in a forum setting, and issues that could have been easily resolved in private communications take on greater importance as people respond defensively in the public setting of the exchange.
I thought Adam's offer was a generous opportunity for comparison, I understand why Rick couldn't ship to Adam, I understand why Adam declined Rick's counteroffer due to the effort and risk it involved, and I understand Rick's response to the ambiguous W.C.Fields quotation.
I respect both parties, and wish this point-counterpoint in the forum could had been avoided. This kind of thing happens too often on the internet during online exchanges in front of forum audiences. "
ADDENDUM for those who seem to have forgotten:
This is the Modern Blues Harmonica forum, not a pecking party.
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nacoran
7618 posts
Mar 17, 2014
10:33 AM
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Humbleharper, here is the thing, you say, "even though his comments were very rude and harsh that could be taken the wrong way." You jumped in and on a comment you sort of admit could be 'taken the wrong way', implying that even you aren't sure that's the way they were meant to be taken. Part of the forum creed is assuming the best of people. Sometimes that means looking at a sentence, an offer, a counter offer, or a random punctuation mark and asking, 'What's the best way I could take that?' and going with that.
Sometimes that means you smile while someone slights you, but more often it means you don't get bent out of shape over a misunderstanding, and in the end, if someone really wants to start a fight, they'll make it clear anyway.
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rogonzab
502 posts
Mar 17, 2014
10:56 AM
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It would be a shame that Rick decided to leave the forum for some rude coments from people who does not exist, they are just random opinions on a internet forum.
Rick Davis is one of the reason that I like this forum, he is a great guy, he always take time to help or explain something, and his jams videos are always fun!
Please Rick, take a time off, dont break up whit us!
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paul45
156 posts
Mar 17, 2014
11:10 AM
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Nice post dougharps! You said what I was thinking.
(how did you do that? haha)
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Frank
4044 posts
Mar 17, 2014
11:12 AM
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In the real world everyone and anyone who isn't running the show, the gig, the business etc. etc, is replaceable - and rather quickly at that...There is always some one just as talented, knowledgeable, or experienced to step in.
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Milsson
117 posts
Mar 17, 2014
12:20 PM
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Well this went bad! I made a legit assumption that i realy should have keept for my self and i´m sincerly sorry for that.
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MUDHOUND
50 posts
Mar 17, 2014
1:13 PM
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Little Ricky said-
>>Nate, please delete my account immediately<<
This is exactly what I knew would happen. You run off like a butt hurt child when you don't get your way. Good call though, by not sending Adam one of your chinese amps. I know it would have sucked eggs next to an HG2.
Run your little amateur night and leave playing and amp building to the professionals. C-ya Ricardo!
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rogonzab
504 posts
Mar 17, 2014
1:32 PM
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MUDHOUND,
What is your problem?
Why do you want to continue to attack another member?
Those kind of post are just a waste of time, nobody wins in a internet-forum fight.
If you dont have a interest thing to say, please dont say it.
This is not just for you, this whole mess was about that: 2 guys misunderstand each other, and several other guys talking other stuff that didint help nobody.
I hope that we all learn something out of this.
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dougharps
581 posts
Mar 17, 2014
1:45 PM
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[McMurphy:] "Is this the usual pro-cedure for these Group Ther'py shindigs? Bunch of chickens at a peckin' party?"
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[Harding:]"A 'pecking party'? I fear your quaint down-home speech is wasted on me, my friend. I have not the slightest inclination what you're talking about."
"Why then, I'll just explain it to you." McMurphy raises his voice; though he doesn't look at the other Acutes listening behind him, it's them he's talking to. "The flock gets sight of a spot of blood on some chicken and they all go to peckin' at it, see, till they rip the chicken to shreds, blood and bones and feathers. But usually a couple of the flock gets spotted in the fracas, then it's their turn. And a few more gets spots and gets pecked to death, and more and more. Oh, a peckin' party can wipe out the whole flock in a matter of a few hours, buddy, I seen it. A mighty awesome sight. The only way to prevent it-with chickens-is to clip blinders on them. So's they can't see."
from "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" by Ken Kesey
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MUDHOUND
51 posts
Mar 17, 2014
3:45 PM
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hey rogonzab
The way I see this deal is that Adam offered to help this guy by reviewing his amp free of charge. Obviously the amp doesn't measure up in the tone dept, that's why the review never happened. How many other cheap $200 6v6 chinese tube amps on the market? If you can't run with the big dogs, keep your ass on the porch! This is Adam's forum after all!
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rogonzab
507 posts
Mar 17, 2014
4:05 PM
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"The way I see this deal is that Adam offered to help this guy by reviewing his amp free of charge."
So far so good, I agree whit you.
"Obviously the amp doesn't measure up in the tone dept, that's why the review never happened."
How do you get to that conlusion? did you even read what Rick David said?
"How many other cheap $200 6v6 chinese tube amps on the market? "
Are you comparing a harmonica made amp, built by a know member who knows about "good tone", whit a regular guitar amp? If so, then you cant tell the differecne betwen a cheap amp and a good one, otherwise you would not write that statement.
"If you can't run with the big dogs, keep your ass on the porch!"
So, if we dont play as good as the pros here, we should remain silence? I am sorry, but that argument is stupid. (the argument, not you, I dont know you)
"This is Adam's forum after all!"
Is not his forum, he is the "host" of this forum (the guy who paid for de http adress)
MUDHOUND, I dont want to continue this debate whit you because, as I say, we are just wasting time.
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XHarp
545 posts
Mar 17, 2014
5:35 PM
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Moderators, this thread us going nowhere. It's totally unproductive and is slowly causing valuable members to re-evaluate their ongoing membership.
Please shut this down before any more damage is done. I'm sure we've violated all the forum rules in this string of anger and condescending comments.
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XHarp
546 posts
Mar 17, 2014
5:35 PM
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Moderators, this thread us going nowhere. It's totally unproductive and is slowly causing valuable members to re-evaluate their ongoing membership.
Please shut this down before any more damage is done. I'm sure we've violated all the forum rules in this string of anger and condescending comments.
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"Keep it in your mouth" - XHarp
Last Edited by XHarp on Mar 17, 2014 5:36 PM
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slackwater
26 posts
Mar 17, 2014
6:17 PM
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OVALTINE IN WITH COFFEE????!!! Goddamn!--NOW you're getting me wound up!
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nacoran
7619 posts
Mar 17, 2014
7:51 PM
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Mudhound, I'm locking this thread, but before I do...
If you read the thread in it's entirety, you'll see the argument you are arguing got settled a page ago. As for Rick leaving, that's his choice. I've got other things to do for now, so if he still wants me to delete him physically from the roll, I'll get to that when I get to that, but for now, he's a forum member and that means you will treat him civilly or you will get banned, just like anyone else.
And now I'll lock this thread.
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kudzurunner
4610 posts
Mar 18, 2014
6:33 AM
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Boy! I step away from the forum for 23 hours and all hell breaks loose.
I'm unlocking this thread long enough to note that when I last posted, Rick and I had pretty quickly cleared up misunderstandings and made peace. That's the way that adults with egos in check conduct business.
I'll urge the rest of you, including Steve Harvell and HumbleHarper, to reread the forum creed. I most definitely don't expect the members of this forum to bow down and salute me (that's a hard thing to do, actually), but neither are any of us allowed to start acting out in plainly insulting ways--against me, against Rick, against....oh, I don't know. Iceman, perhaps? Not allowed. Here's the relevant portion of the creed:
"Please assume that your fellow board members, including me, are well-intentioned. Treat them civilly. The golden rule is a good guide. We come here to share information, conspire with like-minded others, educate ourselves, cheer each other on, and maybe help each other deal skillfully with the rough changes that the blues-focused life can sometimes put us through. Vigorous, passionate conversation is fine. But please refrain from flaming, insulting, or otherwise impugning the intelligence or good intentions of your fellow board members, or from starting threads that seek to encourage that sort of behavior."
Nacoran has extremely good instincts about all this stuff, which is why he did the right thing by locking this thread.
Rick and I may sometimes disagree; we may even exasperate each other. But we made peace pretty quickly. I certainly hope that he'll remain a member of this forum, where he has been a member in good standing for quite a while.
Iceman and I have butted heads more than once, but we, too, have found a way of continuing the conversation. That's a good thing.
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