Frank
3849 posts
Feb 17, 2014
7:01 AM
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groyster1
2527 posts
Feb 17, 2014
8:29 AM
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no use for this guy....I was drafted in 1969 and sent to nam....its disgraceful how he avoided the draft...
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MJ
663 posts
Feb 17, 2014
9:19 AM
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I agree with groyster1..This guy is a piece of crap. He is also a hypocrite. When it suits him to talk tough now, he is very good at it. http://gawker.com/5983634/patriotic-american-ted-nugent-shit-his-pants-to-avoid-the-draft
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Frank
3851 posts
Feb 17, 2014
9:58 AM
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how'd the bastard get on a metal show ? Maybe he can join Billys anti smoking campaign:)
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TheoBurke
586 posts
Feb 17, 2014
10:33 AM
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I grew up in Detroit about the time of the Amboy Dukes' heyday, in the mid to late sixites, and two things remain true about him from then to the current day: (a) he is a superb , unique rock and roll guitar player (b) he is an egomaniac who has gotten increasingly racist, sexist, homophobic and, incredibly, become an even ego maniac than he was before. No one can take away the fact that he is fine guitarist. Listening to his opinion on anything , music or politics, handily negates that and whatever positive qualities he might have.
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groyster1
2528 posts
Feb 17, 2014
10:39 AM
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glad I did not appear to offend anyone...I have more respect for those that defected to Canada...they made a huge sacrifice....their country that mr nugent continued on his merry ways....there were 58000 who died in the nam...and countless others,me included,whose lives were permanently scarred from it...
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The Iceman
1457 posts
Feb 17, 2014
11:07 AM
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I also grew up in Detroit w/The Amboy Dukes...they rented a farmhouse in West Bloomfield about 4 miles from my house back in the late 60's.
Ted is drug/alcohol free his whole life. He lives to hunt and make music.
Have seen quite a few interviews w/Uncle Ted.
I must say that his simple philosophy is appealing to me.
re - vietnam war...it was an unjust political war and started by a "manufactured incident" by our own CIA.
Too many young people lost their lives over a political play. Those that returned were treated pretty rotten by our government, too.
Not wishing to hijack this thread into political territory. Just my opinion.
Ted rocks!
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BluesJacketman
74 posts
Feb 17, 2014
11:35 AM
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oh god tried to watch the video but as soon as the guy started playing guitar i had to stop. metal is such a joke.
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FMWoodeye
820 posts
Feb 17, 2014
12:02 PM
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Elvis served in the military. Ted could have served and entertained the troops, I'm sure. I'm 66. I served. I have friends who were "doves" during the draft and avoided the draft. Fine. Now that they're too old for military service, some have become "hawks" and great "patriots." A couple have even called me a "dove." I point out to them that I volunteered for combat duty in 1966. I call these guys chickenhawks and would designate Ted as such, too. And, yes, he DOES play a mean guitar.
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Rick Davis
2973 posts
Feb 17, 2014
1:47 PM
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I can't think of anything about which I could care less than whatever Ted Nugent has to say about anything.
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Frank
3854 posts
Feb 17, 2014
2:03 PM
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I can't believe Uncle Ted takes potshots at Bon Jovi, despicable...
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The Black Pit
7 posts
Feb 17, 2014
7:58 PM
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Nugent's political views carry about as much weight as the Susan Sarandons, Barabara Streisands and Sean Penns of the world. IMO they should all stick to what they actually know about and leave the politics to the politicians. OTOH, when I want to listen to some classic rock or maybe pick up a few hunting tips, I might listen to what Ted has to say.
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Sarge
387 posts
Feb 17, 2014
8:14 PM
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I spent 67&68 in Vietnam as a dog handler. I have no use for draft dodgers even if they do play a good guitar. I also agree with what Black Pit said.
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NiteCrawler .
261 posts
Feb 18, 2014
2:45 AM
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We left politics to the politicians and look where that has got us.Just sayin,at least some people speak out for the citizens of this country.
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bloozefish
151 posts
Feb 18, 2014
7:28 AM
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I've got no use for Ted or his guitar playing......
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CWinter
105 posts
Feb 18, 2014
9:30 AM
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I think the only thing Ted Nugent has ever really been into is Ted Nugent.
I watched some of this video. So sad the way the moronic hosts of the show constantly kiss his ass.
Wonder what his IQ is....
Ted Nugent = Ass Clown
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Goldbrick
298 posts
Feb 18, 2014
12:10 PM
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I firmly believe most musicians should just shut up and play. Ted is a cartoon character.
Let your music speak like Woody Guthrie or Pete Seeger.
Otherwise just play the damn guitar
Amboy Dukes kicked ass and it was all downhill from there.
Great White Buffalo was about his only attempt at a song with meaning- Great guitar riff too
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LSC
595 posts
Feb 18, 2014
12:26 PM
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Nugent has been appearing at campaign events with Greg Abbott, prospective candidate for governor of Texas and current Attorney General and so lately has once again raised his profile in the current news. When criticism of his inclusion due to Nugents' well documented extreme opinions - phoney Obama birth certificate, Obama a Muslim, shooting illegal immigrants dead, and of course this gem while holding a machine gun, "Hey, Obama, you might wanna suck on one of these, you punk." and this bit of enlightened comment, "Hillary, you might wanna ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch." - said of his critics that they are, "people who hate freedom."
If one wishes to support this person and feel that his philosophy is "appealing", that is their right and I would defend that right. By the same token I have the right to believe that Mr. Nugent and his admirers, to quote Adrian Crounaur as played by Robin Williams are, "..in more dire need of a blow job than any white man in history."
I also think he's a crap guitar player but that is just my opinion.
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tmf714
2419 posts
Feb 18, 2014
12:34 PM
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From CNN:Ted Nugent hits campaign trail for Texas GOP candidate
Controversial 65-year-old rock star Ted Nugent is campaigning Tuesday with likely Texas GOP gubernatorial nominee Greg Abbott, the state's current attorney general who makes no apologies for inviting Nugent to appear with him.
A senior Abbott aide admits their campaign is only bringing on the rocker and gun rights activist to help spur voter turnout among the base, as the state begins early voting for the upcoming March 4 GOP primary
The aide said the campaign originally had 100 people commit to their event Tuesday morning at a Denton restaurant, but when it announced Nugent was coming, the number of expected attendees tripled.
"On a Tuesday mid-morning at a local restaurant in Denton, Texas, that's a lot of people," the campaign aide said.
Nugent is known for making controversial comments about Democrats and President Barack Obama in particular.
Just last month, he called the president a "subhuman mongrel" in an interview with Guns.com.
"I have obviously failed to galvanize and prod, if not shame enough Americans to be ever vigilant not to let a Chicago communist-raised, communist-educated, communist-nurtured subhuman mongrel like the acorn community organizer gangster Barack Hussein Obama to weasel his way into the top office of authority in the United States of America."
Nugent was interviewed in 2012 by the Secret Service after he said at the National Rifle Association's annual meeting that he would be either "dead or in jail by this time next year" if Obama is still in office.
The agency later cleared Nugent, saying the issue had been resolved and they were not anticipating further action.
But Abbott's campaign is brushing off Nugent's history of contentious comments.
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CWinter
108 posts
Feb 18, 2014
12:44 PM
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Ted is a good example of the fact that you don't have to use drugs to be crazy, although it might help.
All of his wacko ideas and statements are derived solely from his idiotic brain. Hard to imagine any variety, or amount, of drugs would have made him any dumber.
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atty1chgo
841 posts
Feb 18, 2014
12:57 PM
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A total piece of shit. That being said, I support his right to say whatever he wants. Just don't care to listen to it.
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Frank
3861 posts
Feb 18, 2014
1:11 PM
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I heard he was going to have his body frozen and believes he will be resurrected as a RoboCop type figure and will make America into a SUPER Superpower that all the world will Love, Envy and Admire for next 1000 years? What an incredible claim - the nerve, good grief!
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SuperBee
1679 posts
Feb 18, 2014
1:14 PM
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I didn't know much or even think about TN until I saw this thread. At some point in my 20s I recall listening to a couple of his records and enjoying the OTT energy and stupid 'wrong' lyrics...but when I married, my wife told me she didn't like Ted and from her tone I took it that further discussion was not necessary. I clearly didn't care enough to ever play his stuff again...that was over 20 years ago, and I'd forgotten his existence until now. Intrigued, I've read a little about him the last 24. Seems like a total jerk. I dunno if I buy that story about his physical, or anything he said in the 70s, 80s, 90s...well, it's a long time ago...but what comes out his mouth currently seems he probably hasn't had any personal growth in that time, just become more of a joke. I guess it pays? Seems on about the same level as pro wrestling.
The thing about the underage girls though...if that's for real, how come this jerker is still wearing street clothes?
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CWinter
109 posts
Feb 18, 2014
1:54 PM
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The first concert I ever went to was Ted Nugent with Nazareth as the opening act. The year was 1977. Ted had just released Cat Scratch Fever. I was 13 years old. Then, another year rolled by, and I turned 14 and discovered Led Zep and the Stones. I put away foolish things like Ted Nugent.
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SuperBee
1681 posts
Feb 18, 2014
1:58 PM
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We'll yeah I guess things change... My mother married my dad the day after her 16th birthday. Muddy Waters grandmother was 32 when he was born....
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kudzurunner
4556 posts
Feb 18, 2014
6:45 PM
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Ah....moderators! Moderators! This is a weird blues harmonica forum.
Does OT stand for "otayyyyy"? That's what Buckwheat said.
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GEEZER1
203 posts
Feb 18, 2014
7:26 PM
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The name calling, personal attacks start. politics still sucks. Has this forum turned political?
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nacoran
7537 posts
Feb 18, 2014
8:15 PM
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I have been a little distracted, but I've been checking up on the thread from time to time. It's an odd mix of relevant and irrelevant. It is interesting how a man's politics can become wrapped up with their music even when their music isn't about politics. Dylan, Pete Seeger (saw him twice in the last year or so, sad to see him pass), some people there music is about politics. Sometimes the music isn't about politics. Sometimes it's somewhere in between, where you can see the musicians politics, even if they aren't trying to put it in there. I think mostly falls into that category.
It always fascinates me when I hear a song I've been singing along with for years for the first time, and actually listen to the lyrics and put them in context as more than just sounds. I was listening to Danzig's "Mother" today. It was a bad ass metalish song, that always sounded bad ass. Recently I saw a video (it had been out for years, I'd just never seen it) of Glenn Danzig acting like a jackass back stage and all of the sudden the cool factor was gone. Then he got knocked out by a bouncer and his tough factor was gone. I heard the song today on the radio and all of the sudden his mojo was gone. He was just a poser. (Meanwhile, 93? year old Pete Seeger was out chopping wood ten days before he died.)
So, politics, behavior, the musician behind the music- more interesting to me than whether Ted Nugent is an American treasure or a raving lunatic or just some guy who plays guitar is how that impacts how we hear his (or anyone else's music) and is that what he is going for, or is it a distraction. The Dixie Chicks got run out of Nashville when they came out as more blue than red. Axl Rose was once considered one of the best front men in rock but he got fat and trash talked about all his bandmates and generally acted like a prima dona. Meatloaf was on reality TV with Garry Busey and Garry Busey seemed like the sane one.
When you buy music, or watch a movie, or buy a book, would you rather know the person who wrote/performed it's politics or not?
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didjcripey
708 posts
Feb 18, 2014
8:43 PM
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Yes I think so. Since music is a form of communication and self expression, I like it to communicate ideas that I appreciate, and listen to it express people that I relate to.
I find it hard to listen to misogynistic or violent lyrics; even ones like 'if that don't bring her back my shotgun surely will' makes me uncomfortable.
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CapnKen
50 posts
Feb 18, 2014
9:52 PM
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I thought what Ted said on the show about the blues and it's influence on his music and rock in general was great.
I don't even know why you posted the vid Frank, in your next post you call Nugent a bastard and then continue to stir the pot all the way through the tread. But no comment on the content of the video.
Do you want to know my opinion of his stance on the 2nd ammendment? Well thats too damn bad ! This a blues forum !
For those of you that want to find out about Ted Nugent's draft dodging, here are a couple of links that dont call him a millionaire dipsh!t in the first sentence, but do give a reasonable accounting of the "draft dodging".
http://blogs.rgj.com/factchecker/2013/08/31/ted-nugent-draft-dodging-claim-revisited/
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp
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SuperBee
1688 posts
Feb 19, 2014
2:32 AM
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i cant even watch that video...not availbe on mobile devices, and now turns out to be not available in australia...www?
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atty1chgo
844 posts
Feb 19, 2014
5:54 AM
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I would rather you just posted this, and not even talked about his politics, which few people here give two shits about.
Still a great rock song.
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The Iceman
1460 posts
Feb 19, 2014
7:38 AM
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WARNING...
totally political posting, but I feel it is important for citizens to at least listen to this...
Draw your own conclusions. Think for yourself.
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groyster1
2532 posts
Feb 19, 2014
8:06 AM
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when you post a controversial person on a forum,you can expect controversy,pro&con....would much rather a non controversial be posted,like Charlie musselwhite...or kim Wilson,even a taped interview from little walter....apparently Im not the only veteran on this forum who resents ted nugent....but had to let off steam and that is all...lets talk about harp
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The Iceman
1461 posts
Feb 19, 2014
8:40 AM
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Regardless of Reagan's legacy, I like the content of this speech and what it has to say about today's scenario.
Was not hoping for comments on it...just food for thought for each individual to ponder.
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groyster1
2534 posts
Feb 19, 2014
8:46 AM
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iran-contra....bad times....dealing with terrorists...waterboarding...violation of Geneva convention....just sayin`
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1847
1508 posts
Feb 19, 2014
9:15 AM
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Reagan raised the debt limit 18 times during his disgraceful tenure in office Bush W. raised it 7 times.
and all this time i thought it was congress
that had that job.
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CWinter
110 posts
Feb 19, 2014
9:50 AM
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How can someone be so dumb to believe this lousy attempt at propaganda? You take a speech that was heavily tampered with, interspersed with snippets of speech from Obama, and you don't see that it's all just a bunch of jibberish? Iceman, where is your brain?
You do realize don't you, that a person could take bits and pieces of anyone's speech and manipulate it in such a way as to have that person saying anything they want....you do know that this happens, right?
It's amazing the way people draw connections between things that don't exist just to support their own level of insanity. Iceman, you need a reality check.
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The Iceman
1462 posts
Feb 19, 2014
10:14 AM
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OK. Sure.
Thanks.
(so, a few of you ignored my suggestion to think for yourselves and not comment).
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mlefree
140 posts
Feb 19, 2014
10:26 AM
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Until this thread, I had a lot of respect for you, Larry.
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The Iceman
1463 posts
Feb 19, 2014
10:33 AM
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OK. Sure.
Thanks.
A Mantra ... "What you think of me is none of my business".
Don't be a "hater" just because I suggested everyone think for themselves along with keeping their comments to themselves.
My personal opinions regarding these issues sure don't. affect my ability to teach and play harmonica.
I am bothered by the direction that this country is headed and the continued erosion of our personal rights as guaranteed under the Constitution, as well as the Fed lead devaluation of the dollar and everything that entails.
Do your research. Think for yourselves. Do not believe everything you see in the news, as it is mostly slanted in one direction or another.
My last comment on this whole OT direction for this thread.
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Rick Davis
2985 posts
Feb 19, 2014
10:46 AM
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Iceman, I do think for myself. I also research the issues. It's my job.
Your little video is hilarious because Reagan turned out to be warning us about... Reagan! There he stood, getting all preachy about taxing and spending and borrowing and tough foreign policy, yet it was Reagan who:
-Tripled the national debt
-Instituted one of the largest tax increases in American history
-Cut and ran like a coward from Beirut after the truck bombing of the barracks at the airport
-Secretly sold arms to jihadist terrorists again and again to beg them to release hostages.
Thanks for the goofy video. It reminds us all of what an incompetent phony he was.
As for Ted Nugent.... as I was driving to a gig last weekend I heard Stranglehold on the radio. Really good. Nugent is certainly a subhuman mongrel but the boy could rock.
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The Iceman
1464 posts
Feb 19, 2014
11:19 AM
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Couldn't find your personal email, Rick, or else this would have been an off list post.
Reagan was a politician. His administration seemed to be no different than any other...scandals, incompetence,deceit and lies, etc.
However, his words rang true to me regardless of how the policies played out.
Not my little video any more than the Nugent one was Frank's little video. (No one seemed to personally attack Frank after he posted it).
Perhaps I should have left out the "think for yourself" comment?
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Rick Davis
2988 posts
Feb 19, 2014
11:35 AM
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Iceman, if you tread into political waters it is naive to think you won't get some pushback. You posted the video, so you get to defend it.
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JInx
732 posts
Feb 19, 2014
11:36 AM
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"Perhaps I should have left out the "think for yourself" comment?"
Yeah, it was an arrogant statement. Good video's though, both of them.
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The Iceman
1465 posts
Feb 19, 2014
11:52 AM
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Okey Dokey, Rick.
I like Reagen's message in the video I posted...the words/ideas/sentiment.
I have no attachment to his personal outcome as a politician nor to the shenanigans of any administration.
No intention to be arrogant, so apologize if any took offense to the "think for yourself".
As usual, it's always interesting to view other's comments as well.
Thanks for all the feedback - positive and negative.
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nacoran
7541 posts
Feb 19, 2014
12:40 PM
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Okay guys, to my knowledge Reagan nor Obama have contributed much to music, although both have given 'the other side' some blues at one point or another.
Politics, unless that is the thrust of your music, can carry a lot of baggage. I've learned to try to keep my politics off of the forum, although it certainly leaks on from time to time.
I think we are past talking about politics in music and wandering off into the wilderness. I'm going to call the game on account of rain with a terrible train of mixed metaphors. Fighters, return to your corners, and come out harping.
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