Grey Owl
439 posts
Dec 31, 2013
8:56 AM
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Gig74
145 posts
Dec 31, 2013
9:14 AM
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Lol, I've yet to experience this phenomenon :o)
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harpdude61
1941 posts
Dec 31, 2013
10:02 AM
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Good one! This is a great topic for discussion! We have a ton of gigging players of all levels that can chime in.
I don't know about the other instruments on the chart but I do think harmonica players have more to offer a pretty lady. HA!
Any of you guys out there experienced underwear thrown at the stage??..lol..What about players you have witnessed charming the ladies as harmonica Pied Pipers.
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rogonzab
437 posts
Dec 31, 2013
10:10 AM
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This is 100% a homofobic joke. Not cool.
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SuperBee
1600 posts
Dec 31, 2013
10:24 PM
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I think it means the harp player starts wearing a skirt and hanging with 9 other skirt- wearers
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rogonzab
438 posts
Jan 01, 2014
6:58 AM
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First: there is only male musicians, the females are there only as a price to the man.
Second: The joke about Who get more laid? is OK by it self, but this picture make a joke about Bass and keyboard player saying that their are inherently gay and in this context that is something negative.
Grey Owl, you may not think this way, you may not be an homofobic but sometime we do thing that we don't intended to do.
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Grey Owl
442 posts
Jan 01, 2014
7:51 AM
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rogonzab
I do not interpret the joke in the way you see it at all.
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Rick Davis
2813 posts
Jan 01, 2014
7:58 AM
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Gery owl, how do you interpret it, exactly?
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Frank
3610 posts
Jan 01, 2014
8:08 AM
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I interpret it as the harp player is gay and the woman love him...woman love gay guys - is this news? :)
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Grey Owl
443 posts
Jan 01, 2014
8:43 AM
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I see it as the relative popularity of male & female fans of instruments and women love the harmonica. But to explain a joke......
I do not see the homophobic connection and it appears that Groyster1 does not see it either.
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rogonzab
439 posts
Jan 01, 2014
8:49 AM
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Maybe this would help:
If you write the picture, you get this:
If you are a drumer = you are married (?)
If you are a guitar player = you have 2 womans (treesome?)
if you are a a vocalists = you have more womans
If you are a bass player = you are gay
If you are a keyboard player = you are twice as gay
If you are a Harp player = all the womans in the world would love you.
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Grey Owl
445 posts
Jan 01, 2014
9:04 AM
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That is a bizarre interpretation and is not one I share.
Try looking at it through my eyes and you might find it to be amusing rather than offensive.
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Frank
3612 posts
Jan 01, 2014
9:15 AM
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The more I intently study that - I am seeing the harp player as representing harp players who are secretly gay and afraid to come out of the closet fearful of what their friends and society will think, yet they have a lot of female friends who enjoy their harp playing :)
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rogonzab
440 posts
Jan 01, 2014
9:17 AM
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Grey Owl,
"That is a bizarre interpretation" Really? is just the picture in words!
I do get the joke, all that I am saying is that sometimes we do things that we do not intended to do.
The homophobic component in the picture is clear as crystal, and the joke is, as well, clear as crystal.
I prefer no to laugh whit this kind of jokes because I think that is wrong. That is my decision, and is just mine.
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Grey Owl
446 posts
Jan 01, 2014
9:22 AM
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rogonzab
OK Let's let it lie. You see it one way and I see it another. Happy 2014
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Barley Nectar
229 posts
Jan 01, 2014
9:26 AM
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Yes, the harp guy attractes the skirts. I have been flashed, rubbed, kissed, one young lady said" Mister, I don't know what your doing to me but your making me wet". *I have p-ed off a lot of guitar slingers/ vocalists when the ladies cuddle up! And I'm an ugly guy. WooHoo...BN
Sorry, but I don't think in a Homo context...
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Rick Davis
2815 posts
Jan 01, 2014
9:39 AM
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roganzab's interpretation is not bizarre at all. I think most people would sense a bit of juvenile homophobia in the graphic. I am not questioning your motives at all, Grey Owl. I know you did not see that, but others will.
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Frank
3613 posts
Jan 01, 2014
9:48 AM
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In all fairness - just as your logic seems rational to you personally rogon...
The fact of the matter is - there have been millions of gigs that male musicians have played were the audience is all or mostly male ESPECIALLY in the little blues clubs around the world...
A heterosexual made up the joke, as far as I know Owl is straight...?
But the joke is this...
The harp player is attracting woman to him - not because of his "chosen sexuality" but because he is a HARP PLAYER...He could very well be gay?
Just because the keyboard player has 2 guys show up does not make him gay, but if he does happen to be gay, he is going to have as much fun as the harp player anyway – if he’s single of course :)
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Barley Nectar
230 posts
Jan 01, 2014
9:57 AM
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LOL, As a life long construction worker, I would LOVE to stir this pot. Big Grin...BN
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Frank
3614 posts
Jan 01, 2014
10:27 AM
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I would like to digress and point out that I don't know the sexual identities of the 2 guys who came to the keyboard players show and I gave the impression that they were gay - for the record I do not know if that's a fact, they may both be straight or one gay the other Bi - who knows, unless they tell you ? :)
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harpdude61
1942 posts
Jan 01, 2014
10:39 AM
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It is more a joke about harp players being the desire of lots of women. You could rearrange the first five any way you want and it does not change the joke.
I could show this to my band member friends that play these other instruments and they would get the joke. They know I don't give a shit what their sexual orientation is and nothing is implied. It is more about the high number of women beside the harp guy.
Actually, if they drew in a couple of sheep beside the bass player it would be even funnier!
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Littoral
1015 posts
Jan 01, 2014
11:14 AM
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Well I see harp players attracting too many women. That's not cool because it suggests that promiscuity is OK and ultimately leads to failed relationships.
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The Black Pit
1 post
Jan 01, 2014
11:22 AM
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I'm not going to try and over-analyze it. It's just funny as hell, and a copy is going up on the wall as we speak.
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bublnsqueak
16 posts
Jan 01, 2014
11:25 AM
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I would be prepared to have sex with a woman in return for lessons to get my harp playing up to a reasonable standard.
Maybe even two women!
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kudzurunner
4477 posts
Jan 01, 2014
12:00 PM
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I don't see any homophobia here at all. Here's how I read the cartoon:
1) drummers are married
2) guitar players have at least two women--a wife, perhaps, and a woman on the side; or two girlfriends
3) vocalists get lots of chicks--at least four, here
4) bass players don't get any nookie at all. All they have is their bass. (The male figure on the right represents the bass player himself.)
5) keyboard players attract other men. It's unclear whether this attraction is romantic/sexual, or whether keys guys are gearheads who like to talk shop with other keys guys
6) harmonica players get more pussy than they know what to do with, and they lose themselves in it.
There's nothing even remotely homophobic anywhere in this cartoon. There's arguably a hint of same-sex attraction where the keyboard is concerned, but that could be homosocial (guys hanging out, talking shop) rather than homosexual (guys sexually attracted to one another), and in any case, at NO point in this cartoon is fear or derision or mockery towards homosexuals expressed. Anybody who sees that is projecting his/her own anxieties or political agenda into the images.
--Prof. Gussow, Department of Instrumental Semiology, University of Mississippi
PLEASE NOTE: The FIRST male figure on the right side of the equation signifies, in every case, the instrumentalist himself. This is why the harmonica equation is witty: it's the only one where there's no male figure on the right side--i.e., harp players are so woman-obsessed, and so lucky (according to the cartoon), that they literally dissolve into their female fan base. Even the vocalists, who get a lot, don't simply evaporate into the ether.
This cartoon is clearly the wish-fulfillment fantasy of a lonely harmonica player. But it contains that one element of (witty) truth: any harp player who DID get that much p***y WOULD definitely go up in smoke.
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SuperBee
1601 posts
Jan 01, 2014
12:01 PM
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I think it's clearly saying that only promiscuous gay woman like harmonica. Or that harp players are trannies.
The rest is pretty clearly having a shot at bass players and implying keys players are gay. Only drummers are 'normal'.
I note this is only saying something about male musicians.
But kudzu, I think the joke establishes a premise with the first 3 musicians which sets up the implication which carries to the joke rogonzab saw. There's a definite sexual implication here. Maybe you're right that I'm projecting my own prejudice. I mean, clearly I am. But the diagram sets me up for that.
It is pretty mild, and I'm not sure it's 'homophobic' exactly, but it is definitely implying male keys players are likely gay, and that is clearly supposed to be humorous.
It's at least sexist, in that it's having a crack at only male musicians, and it's inherently trying to categorise people according to their chosen instruments.
The fact that I see it as having a sexual innuendo does indeed speak about my own inner world of course.
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Frank
3615 posts
Jan 01, 2014
12:26 PM
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We are clearly long over due for another good reason for playing Blues Harp and when I say long, I mean LOOOOOOONG and I am "hardly" joking...it's time to erect an 11th good reason, though I'd stop at 12 that's big enough:)
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kudzurunner
4478 posts
Jan 01, 2014
1:46 PM
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Superbee: You're dead wrong, I'm afraid--which is to say, your defense of Ronzo is based on a logical incommensurability.
If the right side of the first (drum) equation equals monogamous male/female marriage--i.e., the drummer and his wife--then the right side of the fourth equation equals "bass player by himself." It doesn't mean that a guy who plays bass earns one gay male lover. This is what Ronzo claims and you second, but you're both mistaken. As I noted, the male figure on the right side of every equation equals the (male) musician himself.
Now, as to what the fifth (keyboard) equation means: It can mean many things. Logic and consistency both suggest that the right side of the equation could indeed mean "male keyboard players are gay"--not promiscuously gay, but, just like the drummer, married. Or, as I've also claimed, it may mean that women have no sexual interest in keyboard players, so that all you get when you play keyboards is a gearhead buddy who wants to talk Rhodes and Korgs. The chicks just don't dig you. Or--and I like this explanation--it could mean that keyboard players are incredibly egotistical, so that what you get when you bring together a guy and his keyboard is Mr. Full-of-Himself. Mr. Narcissist. Or perhaps a doubled self? A schizophrenic?
But no: the bass player doesn't have a gay male lover. That's just him, by his lonesome, master of the Big Stick.
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SuperBee
1604 posts
Jan 01, 2014
2:06 PM
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Oh, I agree it's not about gay bass players and doubly gay keys players. Its about a lonely bassman and a gay keys guy for sure. But I do agree with Rogonzab's general direction that the humour of this piece does to some extent rely on a snigger at gay men, insofar as the key man is concerned. As such I expect it's a violation of the forum creed. Is it a serious one? Maybe. This stuff is insidious. Casual sexism.
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Frank
3616 posts
Jan 01, 2014
2:20 PM
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I'm a hobbyist Psychiatrist / Math Geek and it really has more to do with algebra and Physiology more then anything else...
What Owl created in it’s truest form is merely an equation exploring the very rare sexual desires of a small fragment of the world involving people who desire to have sexual relations with musical instruments.
Hoping to impregnate them and create a new species of humans...some instruments are clearly more fertile then others and they are all hermaphrodites.
it's true :)
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Philosofy
502 posts
Jan 01, 2014
3:14 PM
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Think of some of the great keyboard players. Elton John: gay. Freddie Mercury: gay. Liberace: gay. Billy Joel: rumored to go both ways.
That's were they get that graphic. I guess the homophobic one is Rogonzab, since he is the only one here who thinks that's a negative connotation.
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rogonzab
441 posts
Jan 01, 2014
4:03 PM
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Adam, I dont think that telling us where you work (and therefore that you are an expert in Semiology) is a fair move, because it rules out others point of views because we are no experts.
I have a literature degree, and not only study semiology but also study gender issue. It is from there that I speak, not just reading signs (a human form is a human form) rather than signs and his relations whit the political world.
I like you interpretation of the left side of the equation (very nice one), but I think that if you add the gender issue you may (or not) understand what I am talking about.
I regret that I cant defend my point of view the way that I want to, because it is hard to me to write in English.
But, I also think that this is not the place to continue whit that debate (although I would love to do it) because is a harp forum, not a semiology forum.
My goal was never to accuse someone as being homophobic, rather that point out that sometimes the innocents joke have something obscure in it, maybe something that we dont see at first sight, but is there, that is all.
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Fuzzball
34 posts
Jan 01, 2014
4:15 PM
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I can honestly say that any idea of homophobia is a little excessive. As a gay man myself, I can tell you this only made me laugh and I think it's a shame any idea of homophobia was even mentioned. I'm sure as hell that if I ever found a boyfriend who could play the harmonica as well, I'd over - bl*w all night long. (sorry, couldn't resist.) The whole thing was just a lighthearted joke, like my last pun. We hear enough about places where the world isn't so kind, but most of us here come from places where no one cares who you love, and that's a good thing. So I'd hope that things like this could be seen as funny without any thought of any kind of discrimination. And one thing we should all take away from this is harmonica players are sexy. THE end :)
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Frank
3617 posts
Jan 01, 2014
4:25 PM
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Isn't the imagination the ultimate organ of self-inflicted gratification...
If so, then what does reasoning have to do with harp playing anyway - do we actually need a reason to play harp...
Or are we all just a bunch of harp addicts pleasuring ourselves with a stiff six inch tin sandwich cocked in our mouths sideways while we caress it with our roaming tongues and move it franticly between our moist lips.
What are we harp players really doing as we coax music out of the harp - what does it symbolize, what does it mean?
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Fuzzball
36 posts
Jan 01, 2014
4:31 PM
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Frank, I don't know you, but that was one of the most AWESOME things I have ever heard. I think any kind of music shows humanity, our desire to make something of ourselves. The harmonica is one of our ways of doing just that. And when you encounter someone who can really play it, it's one of things that just makes you smile. I know that was deep, but it's just my opinion.
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Frank
3618 posts
Jan 01, 2014
4:47 PM
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Fuzz...many times opinions are a lot deeper then people realize, and they can tighten up the loose ends of a debate or conversation simply because an opinion is free to be explored, poked and prodded without the baggage of having to be something it's not...I think your opinion is awesome and beautiful in it's own unique way :)
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Fuzzball
37 posts
Jan 01, 2014
4:59 PM
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why thank you kind sir! likewise :)
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Silvertone
139 posts
Jan 01, 2014
5:25 PM
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I don't see anything even remotely homophobic about this. I do see it as decidedly racist. Why is it that only the black man can be thought of as a musician or even a fan of the musician ;).
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Frank
3621 posts
Jan 01, 2014
6:45 PM
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It's also slightly insidious how he ever so lightly wrote HOHNER on that harmonica in a way it can only be seen by the sub-concious eye - thus moving you, even though unwilling in the direction to buy Hohner harps and play Hohner harmonicas exclusively :)
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kudzurunner
4479 posts
Jan 01, 2014
7:24 PM
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Needless to say, there is no Department of Instrumental Semiology at the University of Mississippi. I was joking--and hoping, clearly in error, for a sense of humor on the receiving end.
As for my other interpretations and conjectures: I stand by them. Stand by your man, ladies (and gentlemen).
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kudzurunner
4480 posts
Jan 01, 2014
7:40 PM
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I'm going to follow up on what at least one other thread-participant has noted: only the drummer and the keyboard player play instruments that bespeak monogamy. The bass player signifies solitude--or loneliness. The guitar player and vocalist signify promiscuity. And the harmonica player, as I've previously noted, signifies promiscuity of such an extreme degree that, in his ecstasy, his self has been annihilated.
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jbear
60 posts
Jan 02, 2014
2:05 AM
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Just to chime in, I didn't interpret it as homophobic at all. Even if you interpreted it in a sexual way, an observation of stereotypes doesn't equal homophobia.
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jbone
1454 posts
Jan 02, 2014
4:12 AM
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Funny but although I have seen women trying to flirt with me or want to talk to me on break, I have not responded. NO activity is worth hurting my wife over. There is a sex appeal connected to musicians. Frontmen enjoy more of this kind of attention. Note also, I have been hit on by a guy or two and have known more than one gay musician. For me personally sexuality does not enter into the equation, I am there for the pure joy of doing music, on harp, and singing, which is one of my passions. I also love my wife enough to respect her every time out. There is never a question of who I'm going home with.
This cartoon, which I have seen different versions of, must offend at least somebody. Humans are built to laugh AT someone, maybe only themselves. I guess a lot of you never read Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land". His take was, what makes us human is that we have the capacity to laugh at another's misfortune. For good or ill, try and deny this and see where you end up. That cartoon is biased toward harp players at the expense of ALL the other musicians if you want to look at it from a purely sexual standpoint. Obviously created by a harp player. Obviously posted in fun.
I don't hang out here for moral lessons. I am how I am before I ever got here.
Maybe we can agree to disagree and not be disagreeable? It's what good people do.
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jbear
61 posts
Jan 02, 2014
5:14 AM
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jbone what if a lady just wants to talk about stuff, how do you tell whether she's flirting or not? She might just be a good looking version of a really annoying gear nerd?
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Rick Davis
2816 posts
Jan 02, 2014
7:00 AM
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rogonzab
442 posts
Jan 02, 2014
8:35 AM
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Adam,
You are right, I did not catch the joke. I guess I am bitter than I imagined (is the second joke in the same thread that I miss)
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Kingley
3358 posts
Jan 02, 2014
8:55 AM
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This image has a number of possible meanings. All of which are valid and all of which are correct to the people seeing them. Humour like art, is a personal, subjective thing. What one person sees as a harmless joke is another persons insult. None of those people are wrong, they are simply coming from different viewpoints. Personally I see it as a piece of meaningless drivel, that's intended to try and boost someones ego.
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Rick Davis
2819 posts
Jan 02, 2014
9:17 AM
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The Surprising Queer Roots of the Blues
Adam, as a blues scholar have you seen this in the historical blues culture?
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Stevelegh
898 posts
Jan 02, 2014
9:55 AM
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Jeez! People get a bit uptight here at times.
Last year I quit playing guitar in my band as we couldn't find a keys player. We played Soul Funk and Disco.
I only used to play 2 or 3 very brief rehearsed solos on guitar, so it wasn't as though I was shredding all night humping my instrument like Hendrix, but I'm rather proud to say in my advancing years, I had my little entourage of ladies who would attempt to catch my eye.
Playing the same gigs to the same people (including the girls) on keys, my mojo completely dried up. Playing keys, you ARE more likely to find guys interested, whether they are geeks or gays. Sorry. Fact.
Based on this infogram I think its needless to say that this is the reason I rarely play harp in public (j/k).
Here's an interesting article. They did a test and a guy carrying a guitar is 30% more likely to get a girl's number.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/10042654/Men-carrying-a-guitar-30-per-cent-more-likely-to-get-a-date.html
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harpdude61
1943 posts
Jan 02, 2014
10:13 AM
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I thought the OP was just telling it like it is....and why do they look toward the stage when I start doing warbles??
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