Fuzzball
18 posts
Dec 29, 2013
10:17 AM
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Hi guys, I feel it important to let you all know that this channel http://m.youtube.com/user/HarpVid
Is stealing videos. I'm posting this from my iPhone as my wifi will not work so you may need to remove the M from the address. 'HarpVid' has stolen from hakan, Adam, 12gagedan and who knows how many others. I hope this can be sorted preferably with the channel being closed!
Apart from that, seasons greetings and all the rest!
Best wishes,
Fuzzball
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Shaganappi
71 posts
Dec 29, 2013
10:57 AM
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Can't see the harm in the site. More just a blog or similar but I know little about infringement rights. Would be interesting to be educated though if there are some people in the know here.
I mentioned yesterday or so ago that Adam's Kick and Stomp was shown on the Home show here on TV and was wondering if that was intentional (approved) or if was lifted and also was curious if that was in infringement …
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Fuzzball
19 posts
Dec 29, 2013
11:10 AM
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Well what they do on tv is one thing but this channel is stealing videos and claiming them as his own on YouTube, and that cannot be allowed. Imagine if you took the time out to make a video and someone ripped it, and uploaded it as there own. I don't know about you but I would be livid. And I believe it is infringement as it is directly stealing someone's video, no two ways about it! So there's the harm in it! Guys like hakan and Adam and Dan spend their time making excellent videos and it is not right for someone to steal their videos and so steal possible viewers. It's just not cool!
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Greg Heumann
2533 posts
Dec 29, 2013
11:35 AM
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Have you notified YouTube? Or Hakan, Adam and 12GageDan? I mean - why tell us?
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Fuzzball
20 posts
Dec 29, 2013
12:17 PM
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Hakan already knows I believe. YouTube have moved or removed the option to email their help team so I cannot tell them on someone else's behalf, the content owner must make the complaint. I posted here as there is a chance more people will see. I have sent a message to Adam and Dan on yt, but Hakan knows already I think. By letting others know they might discover one of their videos has been ripped and reposted, so I thought it the best thing to do.
Sam.
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clyde
327 posts
Dec 29, 2013
1:58 PM
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I see he is also claiming to be sonny boy as well! This guy is a master of disguises.
Let me steal copyright material from the moody blues........breath deep
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tookatooka
3587 posts
Dec 29, 2013
2:18 PM
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Yeah! It appears he is copying a video then making it available on his own channel. If the originator of the video has monetized their channel and gets payments from YouTube when it is watched on the originators own channel, then this guy is interfering with their business which should not be allowed.
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Fuzzball
21 posts
Dec 29, 2013
3:17 PM
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I expect they may have monetized the videos, I had a message back from one of those affected and they said they were mounting a protest. Hopefully this guy will be shut down, it makes me livid, the cheek of these people! Still that's why I posted this, the more people know the quicker channels like his will be shut down. YouTube is rife with it unfortunately.
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kudzurunner
4469 posts
Dec 29, 2013
3:20 PM
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tooka: I think you're exactly right. This person isn't just copying our videos and re-uploading them, but each of them has been monetized.
I don't personally mind too much, since "his" videos (our videos on his channel) aren't getting many views, but I don't like the monetizing element of the whole thing and will fully support any attempts to pull the channel down. Were they not monetized, I'd say "Leave him be."
Shagnappi: When you say that Kick and Stomp was shown on the Home show, please clarify. The UK indy label that has licensed Kick and Stomp for the next three years, Right Recordings, also has the "Crossroads Blues" video, courtesy of me and the producers, and will be using it in promotion. I suspect that you saw that video. What is the Home show?
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tookatooka
3588 posts
Dec 29, 2013
3:49 PM
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To report this guy to YouTube, go to the following URL
http://www.youtube.com/user/HarpVid/about
Look for the little button with a black flag about one inch below the words "HarpVid - Harmonica" below the banner image. Select a category and complain.
Last Edited by tookatooka on Dec 29, 2013 4:04 PM
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Fuzzball
22 posts
Dec 29, 2013
3:59 PM
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I'm glad Adam found this! At least I know I have done the right thing it would seem by raising attention to this. It's the scale of it and the fact if nothing were done it would mean others might assume that they can do it too that is the problem. People put a lot of work into making videos and others using them for their own gain like that is morally 'iffy' at best.
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Fuzzball
23 posts
Dec 29, 2013
4:01 PM
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And thanks tooka for posting that!
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tookatooka
3589 posts
Dec 29, 2013
4:09 PM
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Hi Fuzzball, I'm trying to get to the bottom of what he has been doing but YouTube and Google+ have tied up even closer recently and it gets a little complicated finding out what's happening. As well as the videos showing in his YouTube Channel they also show up on his "HarpVid-Harmonica" Google+ home page. Think we may need some expert advice from someone who knows. Ideas anyone? It may not just be a copyright problem which is what I originally thought.
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nacoran
7443 posts
Dec 29, 2013
4:11 PM
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Just in case anyone is thinking about starting a YouTube channel, remember, you can create playlists that show the original of a video. The original artist gets their cut, but maybe users like your list and watch some of your originals as well.
I think you can pick and choose which videos you monetize (if not you can work around it with two accounts). Just make sure you are only monetizing your own videos. It would be nice if YouTube let you offer to split the monetization (owner of the copyrights choice). That would incentivise people to build useful channels. I know there are networks, in gaming vids, for instance, that cross promote their members and deal with legal hassles for a percentage. Anyone know if there is anything out there like that in the music world (short of labels!).
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Fuzzball
24 posts
Dec 29, 2013
4:21 PM
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I think that every YouTube channel has a google plus page associated with it, so the videos would all show up on there. No doubt in my mind it is copyright infringement according to YouTube guidelines, but I think the google plus page will be shut with it as it's the same account. YouTube only accepts claims from owners of material so the owners of the videos must file a complaint directly as you suggested and explained, and it just has to go from there. If the videos are removed from YouTube, or the channel, although the links may still remain on Google plus they won't work anymore. I think we just have to wait and see, if Adam etc file complaints the channel will most probably disappear, I know YouTube are getting tough on this kind of stuff.
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Shaganappi
73 posts
Dec 29, 2013
4:31 PM
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Maybe 5 or 10 seconds only of the opening of Kick & Stomp just shown a bit on the Canadian "Holmes Makes it Right" show. It fit in well inside the home repair blues section. No mention of you Adam in the credits. Randy Bachman got all music credits that I could see.
http://www.modernbluesharmonica.com/board/board_topic/5560960/5459565.htm
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CarlA
418 posts
Dec 29, 2013
6:44 PM
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No offense, but I am sure this guy won't pay the college tuition for his kids, mortgage, or early retirement from this caper.
Now, if these videos had similar views to crappy songs like "what would the fox say", etc than it may be a different story
Last Edited by CarlA on Dec 29, 2013 6:47 PM
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Fuzzball
25 posts
Dec 30, 2013
4:22 AM
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Thats not the point. The point is the guy is using other youtubers work for his own gain. If one guy does it and nothing were done then more people might do the same. It's the principle of it that counts. He has near 300 videos and I would guess none of them are his. That's unacceptable.
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Kingley
3344 posts
Dec 30, 2013
4:37 AM
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This issue is a tough one to solve really. Ultimately the original uploaders of this videos are the only people who can ask YouTube to remove them from this persons channel. If you email all the original people and they ask YouTube to remove then all well and good. If they choose not to ask YouTube to do so then there's nothing anyone else can do.
The internet allows copyright to be flouted more easily than ever before. There isn't much that anyone can really do about it. You only have to look at the attempts to shutdown certain torrent or streaming sites. For every website that is blocked another few spring up in it's place. Access to many of those original sites are still available by the use of proxy servers. It's virtually impossible for them to stop. All that will happen is that if this particular YouTube channel is deleted then another will most likely spring up in it's place.
Last Edited by Kingley on Dec 30, 2013 4:37 AM
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Fuzzball
26 posts
Dec 30, 2013
5:08 AM
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Kingley: if that is the case then fine, but we should at least try and remove it. I know a couple of the original uploaders are not happy and are probably mounting protests, but if nothing were done that would send a message 'oh it's all ok to do stuff like that' when it is not. I can tell you if anyone took one of my videos I would be livid. If another channel pops up then you're right but that is no reason to sit back and let these people get away with it. Also on YouTube, if a channel is removed, it's gone for good. There is no access to it. Doing nothing isn't the best thing to do, one should at least send a message to these people that it will not be accepted. What happens from there is what happens from there but it isn't right to just sit back as otherwise what would be the point in doing anything on YouTube.
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Kingley
3346 posts
Dec 30, 2013
5:16 AM
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Fuzzball - Nobody has said that nothing should be done. The original uploaders are now aware of the problem and it's up to them to work with YouTube to resolve any issues they may have. The only thing anyone else can do is to boycott that channel. Unless there is any further news to report then the work of this thread is done really.
Last Edited by Kingley on Dec 30, 2013 5:16 AM
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Fuzzball
27 posts
Dec 30, 2013
5:30 AM
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Ah ok chool. I must have misinterpreted your comment. At least though they are aware now so hopefully it'll be sorted! Thanks for posting that frank that's very useful! I will leave you all in peace now.
Sam.
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kudzurunner
4470 posts
Dec 30, 2013
6:29 AM
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As a matter of principle, I just submitted a copyright violation for the "Modern Blues Harmonica - Deak Harp" video that HarpVid had re-uploaded. It had 17 views (versus the 43,000 my original video had accrued), so it wasn't exactly stealing a lot of bandwidth. But it's been monetized, and I object on principle to somebody making money from my videos in that crassly commercial way.
Also, re-uploading other people's videos is strictly prohibited by YouTube's terms of use.
I was required to supply the URLs of the offending video and my original video.
It's an open-and-shut case.
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Fuzzball
28 posts
Dec 30, 2013
10:56 AM
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Glad that's all ok. Sorry if this was off topic, but I felt I needed to mention it. I have also found one of lee sankey's videos - the 'learn blues harmonica in weeks - not' has also been reuploaded by him too. Guy knows no limits clearly. By the way I don't mean to be a nuisance, I just object to people using other's videos for themselves.
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lumpy wafflesquirt
760 posts
Dec 30, 2013
12:35 PM
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I notice that they haven't taken any of mine :^(
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Diggsblues
1315 posts
Dec 31, 2013
7:53 AM
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mine are everywhere. a lot of websites have no content and use youtube videos for content. it seems to be widespread.
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Frank
3601 posts
Dec 31, 2013
8:02 AM
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Yours are most likely favorited Diggs, that's what he should of down - that's allowed :)
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Fuzzball
29 posts
Dec 31, 2013
8:21 AM
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Yes, you can actually stop websites from doing that by going to the advanced settings on each video and unticking the embedding function. They aren't actually taking the video, they have just embedded it much like people do here, if I have got the right jist of your comment :)
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Kingley
3349 posts
Dec 31, 2013
8:53 AM
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Turning off the embed function as Fuzzball says is a good way to deter many people from posting your videos on other sites. Of course though it can also limit your potential audience. One thing to remember with the embed function is that it's a direct link to the original video and therefore viewer count and any monetary gain from that video goes to the original uploader of that video. In the case of piracy which seems to be what is happening in the original post of this thread, things are much harder to control. Of course this doesn't mean you shouldn't try to control things. It simply means that with the advent of many programs to download YouTube content and with more and more people being more tech savvy than ever before, the tide is much harder to stem. Personally I think that the way Fuzzball has done things, which is by informing the originators of the videos about potential piracy threats is about the best thing you can do. It won't stop things from being pirated, but it might stem the tide a little. Who knows, if enough people take the moral high ground then it might even begin to make a huge difference.
Last Edited by Kingley on Dec 31, 2013 8:54 AM
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