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Frank
2967 posts
Oct 08, 2013
7:03 PM
rbeetsme
1382 posts
Oct 08, 2013
7:21 PM
No. This is Lee Oskar...
Frank
2968 posts
Oct 08, 2013
7:27 PM
I have all Lees records - that must be just an uncanny resemblance and he moves like Lee too :)
1847
1182 posts
Oct 08, 2013
7:38 PM
i enjoyed the first clip.
having said that

the real lee oskar video
was fabulous.
perhaps that is not what a blues nazi would consider
to be blues
but that is top notch first class
modern blues harmonica right there.
certainly belongs on a top ten list somewhere.


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1847
1184 posts
Oct 08, 2013
8:16 PM
that was some funny ass stuff mr. mopar

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bigd
484 posts
Oct 08, 2013
10:51 PM
I agree: That Oscar video is just terrific. I find Lee to be so musically centered that he transcends the instrument per se and is pure music. Years ago I was at a Hummel harp showcase in NYC listening to a bunch of Olympians blow their instruments. When Lee had his turn I looked at my friend and how engaged he was by Lee's clarity. Lee took me to dinner in California some years ago and shared some then unreleased classic songs he had recorded. What an affable guy with more enthusiasm than my 5 year olds
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rbeetsme
1383 posts
Oct 09, 2013
4:49 AM
Lee doesn't play blues. Most of his stuff is jazz centered. I've been a big fan for a long time, but his work is not widely known. Better known for clean pure tone than fast riffs. In fact, some have criticized him for his simple play. bigd is right, his playing touches me more than a lot of other players, he puts a lot into it. Of course he can play anything, including blues, it might sound a little cleaner than we are used to:

Last Edited by rbeetsme on Oct 09, 2013 4:56 AM
Grey Owl
360 posts
Oct 09, 2013
5:04 AM
I see what you mean Frank.

BTW I love Lee's playing...that clean hard attack!
That is one heck of an infectious riff on Soul Prayer, simple yet very effective and as for the solo...wow!!!!

Played on a C harp in 5th I think, just had to tab it out as a reminder. Going to play it every morning, it cheers me up:)

-3-4-4+5-3, -3**-2-3**-2+2-1,
-1+2-2-3** -3, -1+2-2-3**
-3-4-4+5-3, -3**-2-3**-2+2-1,
-1+2-2-3**, -3**-2+2-2

-1+2-2-3** (3**-3**)
-3**-2+2-2-3
-1+2-2-3** (3**-3**)
-3**-2+2-2
-1+2-2-3** (3**-3**)
-3**-2+2-2-3
-1+2-2-3** (3**-3**)
-3**-2+2-2

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Frank
2970 posts
Oct 09, 2013
5:24 AM
I got to see Lee on a Hummel show and it was a real pleasure to watch and hear him in a very small intimate club...What he played was mind blowing and heart inspiring...his body language was unique too - he seems to feel the music in all parts of his body and reacts according to the sensations :)

Last Edited by Frank on Oct 09, 2013 5:25 AM
bigd
485 posts
Oct 09, 2013
7:32 AM
I remember a phone conversation we had once where I asked him why he never visited NYC as performer (he has since been here as part of the Hummel ensemble and had been decades ago as part of War) and he told me he could sell out large venues in Japan (or the East in general) but had no national offers here that were generous.....and another memory: He and Sonny Jr doing a spontaneous duet on a slow 3rd position thing - with Lee on his Natural minor. It was Seriously haunting!!

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MP
2962 posts
Oct 09, 2013
12:47 PM
What kind of harps does Lee Oskar play?
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Barley Nectar
128 posts
Oct 09, 2013
6:01 PM
I talked to Lee on the phone then he called back to talk more! He had me play for him, Lee said "I'm sorry, I can not help you" I was crushed. I asked "why not". Lee said, because you are doing everything right!! It was like BSing w/
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Ray
456 posts
Oct 09, 2013
7:25 PM
I saw him play with WAR back in the '80's It was an "Oldies" concert. War, Average White Band and Rare Earth.
wheel
251 posts
Oct 10, 2013
3:00 AM
Lee Oskar plays the blues with his unique phrasing.

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kudzurunner
4297 posts
Oct 10, 2013
3:50 AM
Thanks to all who've posted clips here. I saw Oskar only once, many years ago at a small upscale nightclub in L.A., and he was playing note-perfect studio stuff--smooth jazz, basically. So I've always thought of him NOT as a blues player. But when I listen to these clips, I hear a guy who has crafted his own very distinctive minimalist take on the blues, and he certainly deserves inclusion on this website's honorable mention list.
Martin
478 posts
Oct 10, 2013
6:29 AM
If Lee Oskar had had a fit and DIED right after his solo on "Mother Earth" (Burdon & War, 1970) he should still arguably be included on a whole lot of these lists you obviously find important. (I don´t mind them, just don´t get the need for them. "My problem" it can be said.)
And that was long before he saw the light, coming from an array of effects pedals; this is clean and every note is right:
The Iceman
1211 posts
Oct 10, 2013
6:56 AM
Lee was a big influence on me. Check out his solos on the Live War release.

Also, his Lee Oskar Plays Beautiful Melodies recording sent me on the quest towards OB, even though he didn't use them.
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kudzurunner
4298 posts
Oct 10, 2013
7:13 AM
Martin: I believe in helping young blues harmonica students--and the young at heart--find their way pretty quickly to the good stuff. That's the declared spirit in which I formulated the three lists of top players on this website. You apparently don't share my altruism. That's OK. This forum makes a space for all kinds.
Frank
2974 posts
Oct 10, 2013
8:04 AM
Grey Owl
362 posts
Oct 10, 2013
8:13 AM
Great video Frank, really liked that.
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Frank
2975 posts
Oct 10, 2013
8:48 AM
Did Lee possibly pick up that melody line from the Carpenters 70's hit "sing" :)
bigd
487 posts
Oct 10, 2013
9:17 AM
It's really interesting!!! On "Mother Earth" (Martin's youtube video post above) Lee has a Butterfield-ish sound ( the music behind the solo has a "drifting and drifting"-ish backdrop to it too)
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timeistight
1400 posts
Oct 10, 2013
9:23 AM
Martin: You wouldn't want those young students listening to harp players in the wrong order, or maybe even hearing an unapproved player, would you? That way lies madness, anarchy, dogs and cats together, the end of all that's true and altruistic.
Martin
479 posts
Oct 10, 2013
9:48 AM
Adam: Altruism is (mostly) a good thing and I commend you for the spirit. But list are lists, and perhaps not very "reasonable" entities in their rather arbitrary in- and exclusions. We live in a time of lists, they are so nice and easily surveyable -- but as I said, it´s my problem that I don´t care for them so don´t get sore, I have a curmudgeonly streak in my character and I´ll try to rein it in.

timeistight: I never use those smileys, but if I did, here would be one. I´ll treat you to a pint next time you´re in Gothenburg.
atty1chgo
721 posts
Oct 10, 2013
10:16 AM
For me, this is my favorite Lee Oskar performance. The long version of Gypsy Man by War.

The long, phenomenal, low altitude warbles in the intro - five of them, the classic Lee Oskar-War sound throughout, and then the great solo finish.

Last Edited by atty1chgo on Oct 10, 2013 10:32 AM
Grey Owl
364 posts
Oct 10, 2013
12:50 PM
That 'So much in love' song has got me hooked. Still shaky on theory and am figuring it out by ear. It seems to work ok on an Ab harp and I'm taking a guess at the song key of Bb which would make it 3rd pos.

Trouble is although the pitch of the harp sounds ok to me and the high end stuff works, there's a problem on hole 5 with an ob required which I dont think Lee is doing. Also I'm doing whole step bend on the lower part of the riff and it doesn't sounds like Lee's doing this unless he's brilliant at them:)

Any ideas lads?
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MP
2964 posts
Oct 10, 2013
1:30 PM
Lee Oskar is extremely important to the diatonic harmonica we know today. his pioneering designs made harmonica companies stand up and take notice. His harmonicas were the very first diatonics to offer replaceable reed plates ( also any other component of his harmonicas)
Suzuki, Seydel, and even Hohner followed suit ( not in that order)offering replaceable reed plates.. I'm not sure if LO/Tombo offered repair kits before Herring but LO certainly popularized them. Very few people were aware of Farrel Co.
His Natural Minor harmonicas are an absolute first as are his Melody Maker models.

As far as importance to diatonic harmonicas goes i'd say the big three are Lee Oskar, Joe Filisko, and Howard Levy.

Oh, he's a great player too.
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Last Edited by MP on Oct 10, 2013 1:32 PM
Martin
482 posts
Oct 10, 2013
3:02 PM
@atty1chgo: Thank you for that. It´s been a long time since I listened to "Gypsy man", and it reminded me to return. His playing then, on stuff such as this, was a reason for me to hold on to the harmonica.
rbeetsme
1386 posts
Oct 10, 2013
3:50 PM
Lee can be hard to figure out. He is notorious for alternate tunings. I've never met him, but a friend attended a harp workshop he was teaching. He thought Lee was a genius, people were picking his brain constantly and my friend didn't understand anything they were discussing. My take on Lee is similar to Adams', clean pure notes, terrific timing. His blues playing is certainly his own take.
kudzurunner
4299 posts
Oct 10, 2013
5:10 PM
Frank! That's a great clip--the "So Much in Love Clip." I've only listened to the 3:02 point, but what's amazing to any blues player is how much power in reserve he's carrying. You can only appreciate this retrospectively, when he gets to the 3:00 point. He suddenly accelerates, blueses it up, and throws down. I know almost no living players with those chops who can hold back for three minutes. He's a master of melodic architecture for that reason. He places every note like a master. There isn't one moment of wasted effort or excess. I personally like the excess-stuff, but I can appreciate the minimalist who knows his bag and deploys it perfectly.

Thanks for posting.

Last Edited by kudzurunner on Oct 10, 2013 5:11 PM
kudzurunner
4300 posts
Oct 10, 2013
5:17 PM
Not to mention the five-minute point, at which all bets are off. Holy s--t!
The Iceman
1214 posts
Oct 11, 2013
3:17 AM
A lot of Lee's sound is based on alternate tunings.

Some of them he's made into Lee Oskar harmonicas.

Other tunings he keeps to himself. Proprietary.
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Grey Owl
366 posts
Oct 11, 2013
4:11 AM
Iceman. Ah, that explains it. I am working through the piece at the moment on an Ab harp and it is do-able with the 5 OB. Of course this workaround will be slightly different in expression and tone.ie if Lee is drawing with vibrato on a certain note on altered tuning and a blow note is required on standard richter, then there will be a difference.

'So much in love' is one heck of a nice piece of music and superbly played.


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Last Edited by Grey Owl on Oct 11, 2013 4:11 AM
Martin
483 posts
Oct 11, 2013
5:09 AM
@Grey Owl: "So much in love" is played on a Eb LO Melody Maker.
I believe Lee has written quite a few tunes almost as a way to showcase his alternate tunings, and this is from the CD with the same name.
wheel
252 posts
Oct 11, 2013
5:29 AM
It's a Eb melody maker. I think I need to try this song on diminished :)
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Grey Owl
369 posts
Oct 11, 2013
8:36 AM
Thanks Martin, Wheel:)

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Last Edited by Grey Owl on Oct 11, 2013 8:37 AM
blingty
9 posts
Oct 11, 2013
8:54 AM
Thanks for all the information on Lee, guys. It's remarkable that we can see and hear so much now... when I and many other players were starting out, even being able to obtain a cassette tape or LP with harmonica on it was a rarity. Now is much better :-)

Anyway, back to the topic... it's great that back that far there was a harp player who was so integrated into a band. I wonder when Lee started using alternate tunings?
Grey Owl
370 posts
Oct 11, 2013
9:33 AM
Know this has been posted before but for those who haven't heard it......

Listen to those chords!! What tuning is this???


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1847
1185 posts
Oct 11, 2013
9:44 AM
do they make an Eb
not listed on the web site
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
Grey Owl
371 posts
Oct 11, 2013
10:13 AM
According to Pat Missin's site they only make the Melody Maker in ACDE&G
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1847
1186 posts
Oct 11, 2013
10:25 AM
it sound to me like he is in G
on the last video
a melody maker would be label in G?

my guess is an F harp retuned
5 and 9 draw up a step

a G7 chord?

a Gmaj 6 th chord?
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"

Last Edited by 1847 on Oct 11, 2013 11:12 AM
Martin
484 posts
Oct 11, 2013
11:39 AM
On the inside cover of Lee´s CD "So much in love" it says that on the track "Those sunny days" he is playing a MM in Ab.
Of course that could be a typo -- or a prank, either intended to send Lee´s fans on a goose chase after non-existing harmonicas and really pissing them off in the process; alternately one could suspect that Lee, given his position in the company, maybe has access to harps in keys not on the market? (Also, as I recall, playing along with the track, it appears as if those extra notes on the MM is present in the melody.)

Personally I´m leaning heavily towards the first
alternative.
wheel
253 posts
Oct 11, 2013
11:44 AM
Some time ago I read somewhere that he uses melody makers that not available for other customers. :)
Grey Owl, I think it's again a melody maker.
I love how Hal Walker use melody maker with banakulas

after 13.40 :))
btw This is the superb interview with Jelly Roll Johnson.
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Aussiesucker
1338 posts
Oct 11, 2013
10:46 PM
@ Martin it is probably not a prank ie he no doubt is playing a standard LO harp that he has retuned to MM tuning. Easy to do. I like the tuning but the range is limited to 5 ie A, C, D, G & E. I make my own & now have a complete set but not all based on LO's. Of the 5 Lee offers the A, G & E are great for everyday use whereas the D & C are a bit dark ie based on a standard G & a Low F. Nice if you want a low sound but not much good as a cut through harp if playing with others. Personally the one I get most use for is Bb ie based on a retuned Eb. Bb in MM is not available OOTB.
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