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Shuffling or swinging rhythm and articulation
Shuffling or swinging rhythm and articulation
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tombaroo
1 post
Oct 02, 2013
11:16 PM
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I've gone thru the various articulations which state that u can say
dirrrrrty dirrrrrty
or hutta hutta with emphasis on the ta
I find that I'm still flat/stilted.
It's better if I say dirrrrrrr t-dirrrrrrrr t-ddirrrr... with emphasis on the t
or huT T-huT t-huT.....
( saying T rather than Ta??)
I understand that the Ta is at the end of the upbeat and is emphasised, but I cannot translate it into the harp.
Any opinions???
I have problems going quickly from say a 4 blow to a 3 draw to do this.
dirrrrrrr t-dirrrrrrrr t-ddirrrr...
4D.........4D.3B........3B.2D
Last Edited by tombaroo on Oct 02, 2013 11:19 PM
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BigBlindRay
195 posts
Oct 03, 2013
12:07 AM
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Hi Tombaroo
In response to your post, I would suggest first learning some essential rhythmic feels in 4/4 time.
Start with setting a metronome to somewhere between 40-60bpm
Work on counting your Crotchet beats vocally
eg: ||: 1, 2, 3, 4 | 1, 2, 3, 4: ||
Count it out loud, then breathe it without articulation. Then include articulation.
You can use soft sounds like "H" Ä" "N"
You can use hard sounds like "T" "K" "D"
Work on playing the note for the entire beat duration too - dont cut it short over extend it, Try to transition precisely on the beat.
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Then add Quaver beats (Straight 8's)
Count - ||: 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 | 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 :||
The "&" denotes the Upbeat. You can then transition it to an tounging/articulation pattern
eg: ||: TA ka TA ka TA ka TA ka | Ha ka Ha ka Ha ka Ha ka :||
This common Rhythmic feel is also known as "Straight 8ths" and is normally written as a tied pair of quavers or 8th notes - Straight because the whole beat is divided evenly.
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Then add Triplets
Count - ||: 1 & a 2 & a 3 & a 4 & a | 1 & a 2 & a 3 & a 4 & a :||
The "&" and "a" denote the offbeat within its other two thirds of the beat (The number count being the DOWN beat or first 3rd as the beat is now divided by 3)
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Then work on Swung/Swinging 8ths.
Its normally counted the same as Straight 8ths but in order to get that swung feel, You are articulating the "&"for the combined total of time used to articulate "& a" in a Triplet feel.
So Your DOWN beat still has the same time duration as the downbeat of a triplet feel but your upbeat is longer than a straight 8th feel - giving the impression of time stretching or swinging.
You can use the same methods of articulation in the straight 8 exercise in the swinging 8ths exercise.
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Once you get the hang of that (And there is a lot to explore within that alone) - You can then work on your semi quaver (16th) feels then Swung Triplet feels
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So try to think less about articulation at first, learn your basic rhythmic feels in 4/4, count it, clap it, stomp it, breathe it, articulate it, then play it on your harp.
Let me know how you go.
Cheers,
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Last Edited by BigBlindRay on Oct 03, 2013 12:10 AM
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tombaroo
2 posts
Oct 03, 2013
12:47 AM
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Great. Thanks. I've got to go right back to the basics and get the timing and counting of the beats right before I go on. I guess it is like tennis, practice a shot until you do not have to consciously think about it.
Have my metronome out now!!
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BigBlindRay
196 posts
Oct 03, 2013
1:56 AM
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You've hit the nail right on the head tombaroo - Its the same principal. I'm sure you'll pick it up in no time - Best of luck!
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The Iceman
1203 posts
Oct 03, 2013
5:13 AM
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Instead of intellectually approaching this, why not go straight to feeling it emotionally.
Simplified, the feeling is identical to skipping.
No one is too old to skip around the room, or at least access that feeling from childhood.
Play off of the feeling instead of counting beats in your head.
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The Iceman
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BigBlindRay
197 posts
Oct 03, 2013
8:29 AM
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I think the point of tombaroos dilemma was how to approach the concept of swinging a beat in conjunction with articulation.
I also don't think that my explanation is all that intellectual. Its actually very rudimentary stuff. "Simplified" in this case isn't actually answering a call for help.
A feeling can't always be quantified. Counting Can.
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nacoran
7190 posts
Oct 03, 2013
4:40 PM
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When I'm playing a complex beat, I've frequently got a vocal phrase in my head- not like a beat articulation, but something that has the same cadence as what I want to play. "Good time, great taste, at McDonald's" gives you one rhythm, "Shave and a haircut" gives you another. Of course, my system would be much more useful to me if I sat down and figured out exactly what some of those rhythms are, but, in a pinch, it works. (And frequently, as long as you play around with it, you can use the rhythm of the vocal on a song, sort of call and response).
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Nate
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