1847
1069 posts
Sep 12, 2013
9:35 PM
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who said he's black?
perhaps he is a hip white guy?
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paulbunyn
86 posts
Sep 12, 2013
10:53 PM
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I never said he was black or any other color. I said he was putting down whites. He made offensive, racist statements.
He is totally ignoring forum rules. The rules were put in place to keep this forum peaceful and enjoyable for all of us that enjoy the Blues and Harmonica.
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paulbunyn
87 posts
Sep 12, 2013
11:01 PM
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Not "Hip" at all IMO! I accept his views (I don't agree with them) but not his racist BS. Very closed mind.
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didjcripey
613 posts
Sep 12, 2013
11:30 PM
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ZZ
Always liked them, but never thought of them as a blues band, seemed more rock to me, but there you go, clearly blues influenced.
Enjoyed the velcro fly; the sound, style and clip made me think of Devo, another band I'm not ashamed to admit to having enjoyed in the eighties.
Ah, the eighties, those were the days.
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Brad Arvidson
1 post
Sep 12, 2013
11:46 PM
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Wow Fred Gomez, that was over the top. I clicked on this thread to listen to some ZZ Top and got your rant as I scrolled down, that sucked. Maybe you should have put Clapton's racist comments or anyone else's for that mater in it's own thread. Hopefully your just having a bad day.
Brad
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nacoran
7129 posts
Sep 12, 2013
11:57 PM
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Paulbunyn, don't worry, we are keeping an eye on the thread since tempers seem flared up, but we are slow to react on weekends and days that end in 'y'. (I'm not trying to be dismissive, just break the tension a bit.) :)
It looks like Fred edited his first comment after some constructive criticism (or just after doing some pondering on his own). I disagree with most what he's written, but I think he's within forum rules at this point. He certainly doesn't like ZZ Top, or Eric Clapton, and he cites race reasons for it. I don't find his argument compelling for ZZ Top. Clapton, on the other hand,... I'd disagree with him on Claptons musicianship though, although always found most of Clapton's music doesn't really speak to me, but that's my personal taste.
But this is a thread about ZZ Top, so that really belongs in another thread. Fred, like I said before, if you want a thread about race relationships, start one that's focused on that. In internet terms, you are bordering on 'threadjacking', which isn't as bad as being a troll but is worse than being a blues player.
I find the best way to deal with threads that wander off is to point it out, and see if that refocuses people's attention, then just ignore it unless it becomes habitual. (I've been known to wander a bit menta... ooo, squirrel!
Seriously though, Fred, some very good debate could be had on the subject in a thread more suited to it. You are welcome to start one if you want as long as everyone sticks to the forum creed. People who want to talk about ZZ Top can go back to talking about their music and skip that thread if it's not for them. (I was going to skip the ZZ Top thread entirely. I could never tell if they were shtick or what. I remember as a kid liking 'Legs' and 'Sharp Dressed Man' but I also remember my mom thought they were pretty misogynistic, but again, we can take that up in another thread if you want.
And for some comic relief:
http://www.chaser.com.au/2001/no-more-beards-in-kabul-zz-top-cancel-tour/
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chromaticblues
1465 posts
Sep 13, 2013
5:24 AM
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I didn't listen to the Eric Clapton video because I don't care what he said. That doesn't make a bit of difference in my life!
Fact is The only reason I know who Eric Clapton is is because he is a VERY talented sucsessful musician.
This isn't the first time an idolized musician has said or done something that someone or a group of people didn't like. When they say or do something stupid everyone gets bent out of shape.
They are humans! They are going to do stupid things.
Thats what we do!
Seriously no one is perfect.
As far as the ripping music off thing. Really?
Doesn't everyone already know that!
Being influenced by a riff or a grove isn't really the same thing as coping a song! IMHO
Fred isn't completely wrong about ZZ top either.
ZZ top was one of my favorite bands untill MTV.
They figured out how to munipulate MTV to make a lot of money. I saw them live during the 70's and into the 80's and their music changed for the worse for my liking. So I just listen to the music I like.
Am I mad at ZZ top for "selling out"?
THEY ARE FUCKING RICH!
And they have cool beards!
Heck some people have figured out how to munipulate you tube for financial benifit and then teach their friends how to do it.
Nothing surprises me!
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tmf714
1983 posts
Sep 13, 2013
5:43 AM
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How seriously can you take someone who always types in lower case? Maybe a reference to a certain appendage size?
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Honkin On Bobo
1146 posts
Sep 13, 2013
6:04 AM
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Can't quite figure where the dude is coming from myself. Some of the stuff is so over the top, I just figured it was someone trying to get a rise from forum members, which I guess would be called trollin' right? There's even an entry where he explicitly denies he's doing this.
The whole "black bluesman ripped off by the white rock and rollers" theme has gotten so played, that I'm not sure there's anything new or fresh to be discussed. I'm sure some did. I don't really understand his take on it though. Be pissed about it, but Led Zep gets a pass (if I understood him correctly)? How is that a consistent position? I love Led Zep but didn't Willie Dixon (or his estate) sucessfully sue over Whole Lotta Love?
Sounds more like personal taste to me: "I like this band/artist so they WEREN'T ripping anybody off, I don't like this band/artist so they WERE ripping people off".
Anyway, that's what I took away from it. Well, that and the whole racial blast thing. Which, for the life of me, I can't figure out how was considered acceptable in the context of the forum creed. But I'll confess to having lost all feel for where THAT line is.
Last Edited by Honkin On Bobo on Sep 13, 2013 6:12 AM
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Buzadero
1114 posts
Sep 13, 2013
6:27 AM
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This Forum makes me smile.
Senor Gomez, first round is on me.
This isn't for an agreement toast.
Like TNFrank and NastyOldDog before you, I'm entertained by your vehemence. Cheers, dude.
Gussow, very nicely played.
The rest of you with the elevated blood-pressure......invoke the late Rodney King.
Nate......I'll say it again. You and I are friends, who have yet to meet (you miserable, diplomatic, level-headed phuck).
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chromaticblues
1466 posts
Sep 13, 2013
6:28 AM
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@ Honkin On Bobo
I think Willie Dixon lost that law suit!
If the same suit was in court today he would have a better chance of winning probably?
I'm not sure though? It's been a while sence I've heard anyone talk about that.
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CWinter
73 posts
Sep 13, 2013
6:33 AM
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Man, he's so over the ZZ Top, it Sure Got Cold After The Rain Fell. What a Down Brownie. Apologies to Pearly. Ko Ko Blue, what's with all the Mushmouth Shoutin'? Ride my Chevrolet, Just Got Paid, got me a pocket full of change...
(Somebody Else Been) Shaking Your Tree? Brown Sugar, my friends, they all told me....man there's somethin' gonna change your life. Goin' Down to Mexico, Old Man.
Neighbor, Neighbor. Woke up this morning with them Certified Blues, sure been slappin' me 'round. I know you wanna be my Bedroom Thang, but you're much too young. Just Got Back From Baby's, the big white house on the hill. Sometimes I go see baby, and sometimes baby come see me....I got a funny, funny feelin', I'm not the only man she sees.
Don't get Arrested For Driving While Blind.
I got good at missing her, I practice all the time.
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sonny3
31 posts
Sep 13, 2013
6:44 AM
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Yeah this whole thread got weird.Gomez speaks in half truths and jive talk its all kind of hard to follow.jimmy page ripped of a lot of peeps see dazed and confused.Robert Johnson stole from Elmore James? doubt it.he's been loose with facts in other threads too.Don't take what he says to heart.
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The Iceman
1148 posts
Sep 13, 2013
6:45 AM
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I like ZZ because their music rocks.
I also like the subtle and fun stage choreography between bass and guitar.
It shows that they don't take themselves too seriously and have a lot of fun.
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Honkin On Bobo
1147 posts
Sep 13, 2013
6:49 AM
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You might be right chromatic. I don't know. I seem to remember watching or reading an interview with Page and Plant where they said (and I'm paraphrasing here): We loved Wille and all of those guys, and we listened to them over and over again. If some of thier riffs managed to find their way into our stuff we certainly weren't trying to actively plagarize them. In any case, we're happy to pay him his due and credit him.
So I just assumed Dixon had won or it was settled.
BTW: i'm not offering an opinion of the disingenuousness of Plant/Page or lack thereof....I just have a recollection of that interview.
Last Edited by Honkin On Bobo on Sep 13, 2013 7:19 AM
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Rick Davis
2348 posts
Sep 13, 2013
9:47 AM
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"oh man! this just screams of cheese grits fried chicken and waffles ribs and hot wangs colt 45 old english red lady md 20/20 robitussin pink champale on tap black and white scotch blackeyed peas collard greens smashed potatoes macaroni and cheese red jello with bananas mango salad beans and cornbread top it off with a chicko stick lemmon heads grape soda and a reefer. ayum this is the blues the real deal!"
You gotta admire that rant, though... That is classic.
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Honkin On Bobo
1149 posts
Sep 13, 2013
11:20 AM
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Robitussin?
Shit, I've been a real deal bluesman since I was like, 9.
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nacoran
7131 posts
Sep 13, 2013
1:20 PM
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I find the key to diplomacy is to find another forum, somewhere on the web, preferably one where the traffic is so high they don't notice one crazy mofo ranting lunacy (like Fark.com) and vent there under a different username than you use anywhere else on the planet.
You should have seen my parking rant the other day.
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blueswannabe
272 posts
Sep 13, 2013
2:03 PM
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@ Rick , I found that part of gomez's rant sickly poet.
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CWinter
75 posts
Sep 13, 2013
3:35 PM
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"oh man! this just screams of cheese grits fried chicken and waffles ribs and hot wangs colt 45 old english red lady md 20/20 robitussin pink champale on tap black and white scotch blackeyed peas collard greens smashed potatoes macaroni and cheese red jello with bananas mango salad beans and cornbread top it off with a chicko stick lemmon heads grape soda and a reefer. ayum this is the blues the real deal!"
Let's see how many band names we can come up with using only Fred's above post. I'll start:
1. Robitussin Pink
2. Blackeyed Scotch
3. Grape Soda Reefer
4. The Grape Soda Reefer Blues Association
etc., etc.....
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Tweedaddict
103 posts
Sep 13, 2013
4:01 PM
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>1847
"So tweed are you going to take the ball and go home? Really?
Sorry it’s not you’re ball"
UM, no man, I'm not taking anyone's ball, never suggested that. Just saying i'm not watching the game here anymore. Thanks for the ride all! over and out.
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blueswannabe
273 posts
Sep 13, 2013
4:39 PM
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1. Chicko stick and the lemon heads (good name for a band maybe not a blues band)
2. The screaming fried grits
3. The blackened peas (already taken)
4. Ayum and the real deal
5. Old English and the hot wangs
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fred_gomez
215 posts
Sep 13, 2013
4:54 PM
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now im hungry want some ivans ribs a 40 of bull with trappeys in the beer and a slim goody tackhead oh yeah an a dirty cigarette.
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tmf714
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tmf714
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sonny3
33 posts
Sep 13, 2013
6:59 PM
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Am i the only one who thinks freds posts have a certain billy shines quality to them?
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dougharps
435 posts
Sep 13, 2013
7:51 PM
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No, you are not alone...
billy shines said, "i know im a new guy and this is gonna make some people mad but its the proverbial truth as i see it. the 90s never shoulda happened. anyone playing that stupid heroin music from 20 years ago needs to go life shopping and find new idols. theres two forms of american music: blues and shit. all the good blues songs have already been written you have nothing to contribute to the genre. i like british blues but i cant stand eric clapton if a band member so much as mentions his name they are fired to be continued. "
I see a similarity, does anyone else?
By the way, I always thought of ZZ Top as blues-rock...
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timeistight
1370 posts
Sep 14, 2013
6:24 AM
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"Am i the only one who thinks freds posts have a certain billy shines quality to them?"
I've noticed that. fred_gomez likes Lep Zepplin, though; I don't think billy_shines did.
Maybe they're cousins.
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BronzeWailer
1137 posts
Sep 14, 2013
3:05 PM
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Couldn't help notice that some of the flies in Velcro Fly when they were pink, looked like little "Richards," if you know what I mean...
BronzeWailer's YouTube
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Jim Rumbaugh
915 posts
Sep 14, 2013
8:09 PM
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did I miss something about the "I Thank You"s ???
this is what I thought you guys were trying to say...
God, I miss playing that song on bass.
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1847
1074 posts
Sep 14, 2013
9:45 PM
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billy use to wear much cooler hats back in the day
what is up with that shower cap he has been wearing for the last ten tears or so? lol
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"but i play it anyway"
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PropMan
9 posts
Sep 15, 2013
7:17 AM
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Willie Dixon sued and settled out of court over "Whole Lotta Love." I seem to remember that he took the money and funded music programs in poor schools. Funny thing is, Steve Marriott and Ronnie Laine ripped off the same tune a couple of years before "Whole Lotta Love." The Zeppelin version owes as much to the Small Faces version as it does to the Dixon/Muddy Waters original.
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